This is a carry over from another forum; thus a lot in translation--I'll try to summarize the problem and where we are at this time.
Quick SummaryTwo weeks after I bought the car, I took it to a detail shop to have a 6 month wax put on it so that she'd look really good--being that it was Tuxedo Black. The shop did a superb job in my opinion, however an issue started happening. The rain season was getting in full swing here and every time it would rain, my blades would start hazing and streaking the windshield to the point it would become a concern when trying to drive.
I spoke to detailer and he informed me that they did not put Rain-X on as that is an additional service I did not allow. Their window cleaner is industry standard blue crap--whatever the hell that is, probably Windex LOL.
Photos illustrating some areasI don't know if this will help -- here are some photos. The first two, I traced in red--this is where i have heavy marking and as you can tell the Invisible Glass spray didn't adhere to the window like all the other places. The last photo, I don't know if you can see it well--the whole window is smeared. That's AFTER wiping off the Invisible Glass with a microfiber towel.
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What We Have Tried So Far
- This has been over the course of I think 2 weeks now.
- Ford replaced my blades twice; no change.
- Ford detail shop clay bar the windshield; no change.
- Detailer looked at the window and found no issues, he even cleaned it again.
- I ended up picking up Invisible Glass per a forum member, cleaned the windshield and replaced the blades with Rain-X Latitudes.
- Took the car to another detailer who used steel wool and some solution; didn't find anything.
Where Are We TodayI just got back from car wash (I live in apartment) where I took alcohol pads and dawn dish shop. I ended up using a scrubbing cloth and dawn soap on the entire windshield; I did it twice and scrubbed for nearly 15 minutes--I put my back into it. I then cleaned the wiper blades with 70% alcohol wipes four times.
I tried to simulate rain--that was a little hard; but it was streaking still. I got pissed off and bent my driver arm a tiny bit; seems to streak a whole helluva lot LESS now when using the washer fluid--before it was very visible. It's supposed to start pouring in 3 hours; I'm going to get out and see if it will streak again.
I'm leaning towards it actually being that the arms were putting too much pressure on the blades. I talked to my mate who bought a blue SHO for his wife, we picked up our SHO on same day--he and her are not having this problem--at all.
I have been following this since the beginning. It is very perplexing to say the least. I hope somebody here has had a similar problem and can come up with a new solution.
Thanks Dave.
I think we may be on to something -- just need it to start raining which it should shortly.
My mate at Ford said he's heard of vehicles where the arms are not at right angle and thus put serious pressure on blades. He said there really is no spec for it--they typically try some things and very least lightly bend the arms outward (which I did). LOL.
Here's to hoping this works!
Photo from car wash LMAO; people were staring at me like "WTF is this guy doing with dish soap?!" LMAO.
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Hmm. If it is pressure from the wiper arms, maybe it IS affecting the sound screen in the glass like you had mentioned elsewhere, causing it to become visible. Is there a way to check its' integrity?
Quote from: SHOdded on June 30, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
Hmm. If it is pressure from the wiper arms, maybe it IS affecting the sound screen in the glass like you had mentioned elsewhere, causing it to become visible. Is there a way to check its' integrity?
eh; no sure what you mean.
The car isn't old enough to have eaten away the actual glass.
Of course; my 2012 Focus had the sound screen too and I didn't have these issues.
I don't want to get ahead of myself, but I am thinking it was blade pressure.
I think Mark mentioned blade pressure too. Sounds like a logical move forward.
Yeah, this perplexing to say the least....I never thought of too much pressure, but it could be. Thanks for posting the photos...can understand why you are upset about this...I would be upset myself. I do have the Rain-X blades on my car, and I can say, I don't like them as much as I did the original blades. I think I'm going to go back to Motorcraft when I replace them. I'm really puzzled by this, sure hope you can find the cause and get it fixed soon.
It didn't work -- we got hammered this morning and the window instantly streaked/hazed.
I got frustrated and took the car to dealer--I'm rolling around in a Fusion at the moment.
Here's to hoping the figure it out -- along with the metallic clicking in my steering and the clicking when moving forward/backward slowly.
I hope they call soon and report success!
Quote from: DJE624 on July 01, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
I hope they call soon and report success!
I feel bad; I gave my friend a big ear full--he's service manager there. It's hard to be the pissed off customer while not trying to ruin your friendship either.
Ugh.
He takes care of me on so many things --
Hopefully it works out and they figure out the issue.
Sorry, I don't have any ideas about the clicking in the steering, but the windshield thing is really weird. I was thinking about what you said about the dude that used steel wool and a solution to remove stuff...again, going back to my experience with dive masks, I know that if you don't get all the release oils off the glass, the stupid thing will continue to haze (fog) for months even with heavy use. I'm still thinking that the Comet thing with a sponge should be given a try, although at this point I'm not sure that would work. But the Comet is abrasive enough to remove the oil and most anything else on the windshield. I sure hope they can figure this out for you..good luck. Lastly, I know that with dive masks we always apply a defogger to the interior of the mask to keep it from hazing during a dive, but it won't work om the exterior because the water would wash it off fairly quick. Again, good luck with this hope it gets solved for you.
Quote from: mjhpadi on July 01, 2013, 12:58:18 PM
Sorry, I don't have any ideas about the clicking in the steering, but the windshield thing is really weird. I was thinking about what you said about the dude that used steel wool and a solution to remove stuff...again, going back to my experience with dive masks, I know that if you don't get all the release oils off the glass, the stupid thing will continue to haze (fog) for months even with heavy use. I'm still thinking that the Comet thing with a sponge should be given a try, although at this point I'm not sure that would work. But the Comet is abrasive enough to remove the oil and most anything else on the windshield. I sure hope they can figure this out for you..good luck. Lastly, I know that with dive masks we always apply a defogger to the interior of the mask to keep it from hazing during a dive, but it won't work om the exterior because the water would wash it off fairly quick. Again, good luck with this hope it gets solved for you.
I'm tempted to try that next, including coca cola.
If I do I'll just go to car wash and try it--since there is high pressure hose that I can sue to get comet off quickly.
have you tried simple green or another natural degreaser???
Quote from: PopolZ on July 01, 2013, 01:28:17 PM
have you tried simple green or another natural degreaser???
Not yet; I tried dawn--it says it cuts grease 2x harder than others or my money back.
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
I used Dawn for cleaning my detailing pads and microfiber towels before I wash them but I've not used it to wash, it does a good job removing wax from the pads and towels, and oil off hands, but I've never used it to clean off a windshield...Nor do I recommend it for use with dive masks because it's really hard on rubber/silicone. But I do use it for dishes, and it works great on them!
I was wondering how you got those "dish pan hands". ;D
Just curious, have you tried the good old reliable razor blade on your window? :)
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on July 01, 2013, 03:07:42 PM
Just curious, have you tried the good old reliable razor blade on your window? :)
Not a bad idea...it might remove whatever is on the window.
If steel wool, cleaner, dawn, alcohol, and copious amounts of scrubbing done--I doubt a razor is going to work.
I've seen a razor blade remove stuff that no other chemical would get close to cutting.
Eh; it's with Ford now -- so not much I can do at moment.
BTW; did I mention the Fusion SUCKS!
OMG; what a crap car.
I want my SHO back.
I have been doing auto detailing for years now. One thing that is common to causing a haze on windows is if you use a dryer sheet when drying your automotive towels. It leaves a nasty residue that is very difficult to remove.
Another fyi... dish soap will remove wax from paint. if any got on the paint you will want to reapply the wax.
I picked the car up.
They cleaned window; changed blades--even pour water on windshield and had me use blades; no streaking/hazing.
Let's see when the temps drop and it's pouring outside.
Quote from: 12sho on July 01, 2013, 04:08:29 PM
I have been doing auto detailing for years now. One thing that is common to causing a haze on windows is if you use a dryer sheet when drying your automotive towels. It leaves a nasty residue that is very difficult to remove.
My dad and I used to yell at my mom for using softner. LOL
Quote from: geswek on July 01, 2013, 05:23:43 PM
I picked the car up.
They cleaned window; changed blades--even pour water on windshield and had me use blades; no streaking/hazing.
Let's see when the temps drop and it's pouring outside.
What did they do?
Quote from: DJE624 on July 01, 2013, 05:34:40 PMWhat did they do?
Hell if I know -- cleaned it; probably claybar; didn't really ask.
I just wanted my car back LMAO. I'll find out if it starts hazing/streaking; rain is coming in--should be here in an hour or two.
At this point, doesn't matter what they did until I can actually test it. Throwing water on windshield doesn't really do much--I need an actual rain storm.
Good luck, hope whatever they did it works.
Same wishes from here!
I finally got this sob on camera!
This is annoying me, very much. I am on my 3rd set of Ford blades and the dealership claybar the window.
Am I losing my mind? Is this normal? The hazing they say could be because it's humid out when it starts raining and my interior temp is very cold. I normally keep my AC on temperature setting LOW at either 1-2 on fan speed. I'm a fat guy, I don't like sweating.
http://www.stormwalker.me/trash/windowissue.mp4 (http://www.stormwalker.me/trash/windowissue.mp4)
It's kinda hard to tell. Except I can see it where they turn. I think they all do that. (Where they turn.)
If you are talking about where the wipers return from the end of their travel back to the down position? Mine leaves those marks too.
Mine does it as well and my windshield washer is my water/meth mix... it's about 60% methanol for now since i'm still using my winter mix.
It was streak free when I had aquapel on.
I thought your streaking was way worst.
I tried REALLY hard not to posts this, but... A brick might solve all of your problems.
I just re-read your first post....I think maybe your first mistake was taking it to a detail shop that has a "6 month wax job"...I've been around and I've NEVER seen a wax that lasts 6 months...none. I'd be willing to be it's some kind of crap that they applied and got on the windshield that's caused this problem.
Also, I'm assuming that it's somewhat better since you haven't really seemed to post about seeing the problem, and with all of the rain in your area later, I would think it would have reappeared.
Hopefully you got it handled...but I certainly wouldn't go back to that detail shop, and I would be not allow any detail shop to touch my vehicle if they promised any detail that would last 6 months.
It still happens, I just ignore it now LOL.
Oh, and I found another details shop.
Btw, don't laugh. I never was a detail guy. I always took my cars to people. I have no time nor interest of detailing my own car.
Sent from a mobile, I think.
It finally got to me.
I called Ford Customer Relations today about the windshield -- waiting on a regional to call me back.
Again, good luck, hope you can get this resolved...just FYI, it is supposed to rain here today. And it will because I did a quick detail and speed wax of the car yesterday! :wall:
It's been raining all morning--what prompted me to call.
The windshield was hazing/streaking--again it dissipates after 5 seconds--but if its pouring at my blades are constantly moving it just stays hazed whole time.
MJH; I thought about driving up to you and maybe paying you to help me clean the window as I have "zero" experience and you seem to have the whole detailing rig LOL. I figured we could try some of your ideas.
You're welcome to come up, but I can't guarantee that I will be able to correct it. This is one of the strangest things I've ever encountered. But it's silly to make a special trip...maybe we could meet somewhere halfway and I could be all my junk with me and give it the old college try. Anxious to see what Ford has to say, and if they have any help.
Quote from: mjhpadi on August 01, 2013, 02:26:26 PM
You're welcome to come up, but I can't guarantee that I will be able to correct it. This is one of the strangest things I've ever encountered. But it's silly to make a special trip...maybe we could meet somewhere halfway and I could be all my junk with me and give it the old college try. Anxious to see what Ford has to say, and if they have any help.
It's not worth it for just that mate.
I am pressing Ford to replace the windshield; I have it on video clearly showing a problem.
i Hate Replacing Windshields. Lots Of Gravel Trucks Kicking Up Rocks. Got My SHO. Used A Dremel To Stop The Crack Though. It Is Off To The Side So U Dont See It So much
I got a call from the Ford rep today; she is contacting dealership and will follow up with me on Tuesday.
I told her everything I did, all the tricks, different shops, even dealership. I also told her I'm at the point where if they don't do anything to fix it--I'm just going to buy my own windshield and replace it. She asked me to hold on and let her try to resolve it.
I spoke about my loyalty to this brand, not my first Ford nor was it going to be my last.
We shall see; I don't think the detail shop did it--had they done it, it would of been gone by now after everything I've done. I think the windshield is defunct and the detail was just a coincidence when we actually started getting rain that would require significant use of the wipers.
Good luck, looking forward to update!
Thanks Padi;
I'll for sure keep the site up-to-date.
Good Luck on the new windshield!
Well; I think it's more than I thought.
I am going to a car show today and entering my ride; so I went to Franklin to get the car detailed--it's another shop in Frazer that is pretty decent. I went there couple weeks ago and told them to turn off their wax system in wash since I had "wax" on car. This time I forgot to tell them and my windshield is a living nightmare! It's 20x worse now.
I'm starting to think it is wax--or it's a bad windshield reacting horribly to wax.
I've used these types of carwashes for 10 years and I never had this problem with a windshield.
I get a new car, I have it hand detailed, and suddenly my windshield is total s***.
I don't think Ford is going to cover it--
Remind me - have you used acetone or other Goo Gone type solvents yet? Assuming of course it's not the windshield itself.
Quote from: SHOdded on August 03, 2013, 09:50:15 AM
Remind me - have you used acetone or other Goo Gone type solvents yet? Assuming of course it's not the windshield itself.
The best I did; was some alcohol prep pads from hospital (I stole box from supply) and wiped it down.
I'm afraid to use anything else for fear it runs and screws my paint or black unpainted trim up.
I did take dawn dish soap from house and went to car wash; washed it heavily twice with scrub rags. Immediately washed the windshield off.
It got little better--now it's just full blow in your face horrible since leaving Franklin.
Try some Goo Gone/acetone on a gauze pad or a rag to spot test. Don't use a lot, and don't use sprays. Wipe off afterwards with water and a clean cloth. Shouldn't have runs ruining anything doing it this way. Of course, if you want to go the extra mile, tape off the windshield and lay some wads of newspaper down, just like if you were plastidipping.
In really thinking about seeing mph.
He's not far from me and the detail guru LOL.
Sent from a mobile, I think.
I would try the goo gone first. It shouldn't hurt the paint or plastic. Acetone would definitely wreak havoc with plastic.
OK; I'll pick up some GooGone today on my way home from Wal-mart.
Should I apply it with a microfiber cloth? Those things are SUPER cheap and I can buy a bunch.
Is it OK if Goo Gone hits rubber seals or plastic? Not intentionally, but just if it happens.
GooGone should be ok on rubber/plastic. Microfiber cloths should be fine, though cheap ones may lint like cotton cloths. Basic directions from their site http://googone.com/GG-Browse-Products/Goo-Gone-8oz (http://googone.com/GG-Browse-Products/Goo-Gone-8oz)
Goo gone is great. But it will leave an oily residue. You'l have to finish up with soap and water.
One word...Comet....damp windshield, Comet, damp cloth, scrub...hose off. Actually, it's more like 9 words. Try a small area first and see how it comes out. Good luck, hope the Acetone works....never used Goo Gone, so I can't give you any input on it.
Gah.
Oil residue.
Just what I want to deal with.
Sent from a mobile, I think.
Two words:
Insurance claim
I am guessing you can find a chip in your windshield, call it in!
I'm also guessing you have comprehensive with 0 deductible for glass.
You're wasting so much time on this it's not funny. The insurance company won't bat an eye, as I told you previously we replace our windshields every 6 months here due to the sand pitting. Luckily I just say visibility is diminished and they replace the windshield. No questions asked.
Now it's working LMAO -- my buddy laughed at me and said it was probably because I just came out of detail shop and it started pouring (was trying to beat rain).
We tested it at car show and it wasn't streaking but a tiny bit.
Quote from: 4DRHTRD on August 03, 2013, 11:30:50 AM
Two words:
Insurance claim
I am guessing you can find a chip in your windshield, call it in!
I'm also guessing you have comprehensive with 0 deductible for glass.
You're wasting so much time on this it's not funny. The insurance company won't bat an eye, as I told you previously we replace our windshields every 6 months here due to the sand pitting. Luckily I just say visibility is diminished and they replace the windshield. No questions asked.
Glass coverage is $500 deductible for me.
Windshield is only $220 or $270 from Fred Beans.
After a long battle; I won. Ford is replacing my windshield. So, if you have any weird s*** happen to your windshield when using the wipers (like the window is fogging from the outside), I have paved the way for you.
The car got dropped today for new glass; I'm totally happy now--just one thing on the many others that are wrong with 2013. I am now after them for the tail lights since the 15 cars I've looked at ALL have the same problem with driver side tail light not lining up.
Should have bought a '12.
Quote from: DJE624 on September 16, 2013, 08:14:01 PM
Should have bought a '12.
I'm thinking about selling it and buying a Corvette Z06.
:popcorn:
Shelby Mustang.
Quote from: DJE624 on September 16, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
Shelby Mustang.
LOL; yeah I'm totally full of s***.
I am thinking about yanking the airbox since it's now my DD and I rather have the lower IAT's in traffic. Plus I don't think Airaid is really even needed--
I thought so. You know my position on air boxes. Stock with K&N panel. Best bang for the buck at $40-50.
I can see clearly now the haze is gone ...
Yeah Dave; probably sell it off to someone on here -- sure they'll want it.
I am excited to get new windshield; that hazing s*** when it rains was really BAD! Thank god I'm a young buck with good eyes so I was able to pay attention and not wreck.
The tail lights on my 13 SHO line up fine, but the front PS corner of the hood is out of alignment on mine and every one I have seen... check the front of the car over the headlight. I unscrewed the rubber bumper a little and that helped. Like others I still love the car.
This is an interesting thread, and it brought to mind a few ideas.
One, I realized I don't use my wipers at all, except maybe to brush off bug guts or something. I've found Jet Seal 109 to be extremely water-phobic, even more-so than RainX which is quite exceptional in its own right (but very hard to polish off a windshield.) My previous 2010 Flex had similar behavior to your SHO windshield, now that I think about it. I chalked it up to a microfinished surface that was privy to not being able to be cleaned like normal glass. Side note, that glass also had an overall haze from what I believe was the laminate in the middle. There was also a rippling effect, which was not pleasant. A good excuse to trade up I suppose.
I don't use many Zaino products anymore but I do remember their glass polish product being out-of-this-world good at cleaning dirty glass. Also smells like tapioca I think.
Oh, and waffle microfiber towels are your friend when doing glass. They'll stop the micro-fuzzies from adhering to the glass after you "clean" it with a microfiber. That, and/or newspaper. For some reason, it works extremely well.
I had them replace the windshield -- still hazed pretty bad but ended up taking some chemicals to it.
I guess when I was at track the Friday after the windshield was put on I had a ton of crap on the windshield from standing behind cars burning out before dragging.
Anyways; I clay bar windshield, cleaned it, and sealed it. It's not perfect but now I just don't care--it sucks period and is the first car I ever had to do this crap to. Maybe over time it'll get better or it won't.
Given all the other flaws I'm pretty much beyond caring anymore. Hood doesn't line up, most of tail lights (at least on cars I've seen or talked to owners with) don't line up on left side, windshield is crap, eh.
Don't get me wrong; the joy of car tends to not let me care about the other things. I just know next time I buy a $50k car I am going to look over it EXTREMELY close.
Quote from: geswek on November 04, 2013, 07:45:17 PM
I had them replace the windshield -- still hazed pretty bad but ended up taking some chemicals to it.
I guess when I was at track the Friday after the windshield was put on I had a ton of crap on the windshield from standing behind cars burning out before dragging.
Anyways; I clay bar windshield, cleaned it, and sealed it. It's not perfect but now I just don't care--it sucks period and is the first car I ever had to do this crap to. Maybe over time it'll get better or it won't.
Given all the other flaws I'm pretty much beyond caring anymore. Hood doesn't line up, most of tail lights (at least on cars I've seen or talked to owners with) don't line up on left side, windshield is crap, eh.
Don't get me wrong; the joy of car tends to not let me care about the other things. I just know next time I buy a $50k car I am going to look over it EXTREMELY close.
LOL, Ford never sweats the details, hahaha.
Other brands do but their trans or engines are junk, or they have bad electronics reliabilities. Shut lines perfect, engine blown. lol.
I feel ya man.
I am trying a CQuart variant from CarPro for the glass. Definitely gives it gloss. No streaking and no fogging yet. Nothing sticks and it acts like Rain-ex... only better, very slick feeling and hydrophobic. It's supposed to last 2 years Like others I rarely resort to the wipers outside of a driving rain.
Do you have your ac on when the issue happens cant see any if the photos or video but if your blasting ac it will make the outside window fog up bad at times my grandma insisted doing that saying it is suppose to get ride of it in Florida but if you add some heat to the inside it will help the AC just takes the moisture out of the sir inside the car but need to play with the temp some
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Also in high elevation and hold outside I had issues untill I got the windshield hot enough. But most times I did not remember to start the car first and have to drive with window down till I got to lower elevation 5 miles from home.