Quote from: ElvenSho on February 18, 2015, 01:09:34 PM
Quote from: Livernois Motorsports on February 18, 2015, 12:50:40 PM
Well, if you really think about everything possible was stacked against us.
We did a remote tune.
No "required" logging was done.
Only 20 mins between runs.
And he obviously spun on our tuning....
Logging on your EB does not yield a better tune, the OP has independently and inadvertently proven this here.
You might be right. I wonder if Torrie would agree with you about not needing to log on the EB engines... What if you guys infact do have a tune thats just a tiny bit faster but is pushing the limits of the engine more due to not reading each engines reaction to the tune (logs) which in return could kill the engine faster? Who blew up more EB engines u guys or Unleashed? (Serious question I have no idea) Torrie should get in this threat to give his view on it all! I also think this can be a mature conversation I am not saying to bash each other.
The problem with the end user logging is that you do not have the ability to log 100% accurate information VIA the OBDii port. Whereas, Torrie and us as well are hooking up to the ECU with a laptop, and using tuning software to monitor live info from the ECU. The sample rates and PIDS that you get from your monitors, apps and such are EXTREMELY poor. Giving us imperfect information. We learned this back in 2009 when we first dived head first into the EB platform.
Keep in mind that we have more access to more of the ECUs tables than anyone using one the big 3rd party tuning suppliers. Because we know the logic and engineering of the EB ECU so well I would argue your example being probable. I don't want to call it impossible, because anything is possible. BUT, we have yet to blow up a client's vehicle with our tuning regardless of it being remote or dyno tuning. Not that we are aspiring to by any means lol, but it has not happened.
As for the tuning and being on the edge, we actually run less boost that almost anyone else. Our tunes add maybe 1-2# of boost to a stock car, keeping everything in the "happy" range for efficiency. We see forums posts of people running, 5, and sometimes even 10# of boost more than stock and wondering why they run slower than our tunes. It shouldn't take much to observe which version is safer, and which is living life dangerously. If you can make the same (or more) power at less boost, why run more? It will just shorten the life of, well, everything.