OK I'll brace myself - How is the engine cover attached? I poked around and didn't see any attachment points. I'd like to take it off and have a look see at the actual ENGINE.
and YES, I did do a search.
Quote from: SHO-Pa on April 18, 2014, 06:29:34 PM
OK I'll brace myself - How is the engine cover attached? I poked around and didn't see any attachment points. I'd like to take it off and have a look see at the actual ENGINE.
and YES, I did do a search.
First remove oil filler cap.
Gently pull up on cover , maybe a slight tug ... it will pop off .
There are three mounting studs with ball tops on top of engine that snap into hard round rubber grommets that are attached to the backside of cover .
This is what the bottom looks like. It's a ball and socket friction fit
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/19/ydy5u8a6.jpg)
Also, if you remove it constantly like I do, lube the grommets with oil or grease. Then it just slips off with ease.
As an FYI: MKS cover is removed the same way. I may be wrong, but I thought some early production 2010 SHOs had a fastener in addition to the grommets - maybe not.
Quote from: TSS on April 19, 2014, 11:06:58 AM
As an FYI: MKS cover is removed the same way. I may be wrong, but I thought some early production 2010 SHOs had a fastener in addition to the grommets - maybe not.
My build date is 12-09 its a job 2 car so it has the pull strap in the trunk
2010 RCM non PP
K&N panel filter
sp534 @ 30
unleashed 93 performance+boost
more to come.....
Quote from: glock-coma on April 19, 2014, 12:51:01 PM
Quote from: TSS on April 19, 2014, 11:06:58 AM
As an FYI: MKS cover is removed the same way. I may be wrong, but I thought some early production 2010 SHOs had a fastener in addition to the grommets - maybe not.
My build date is 12-09 its a job 2 car so it has the pull strap in the trunk
2010 RCM non PP
K&N panel filter
sp534 @ 30
unleashed 93 performance+boost
more to come.....
Do what ... ? ?
I copied this from shoforum
" Job 1 is the first salable production cars built for that model year. Job 2 comes in at about 1/2 model year. In Job 2 they make design changes according to customer, warranty and factory feedback about Job 1's to increase quality, utility and ease of assembly. This also can mean changing the content of rapid spec packages, standard equipment and/or configuration compatibility (ie. 12S PP now available with 402 pkg). They typically only have two Jobs per model year, but I've seen 3 before, there's no real set rules on it.
There's always surprises that pop up in production that engineers couldn't predict in the design process and this allows them to fix them without waiting until the next model year."
2010 RCM non PP
K&N panel filter
sp534 @ 30
unleashed 93 performance+boost
more to come.....
Apologies for reviving an old thread. I figured it's better than making a new one.
Under the engine cover on my MKS I also have a foam block that covers the fuel pressure regulator. Is that also on SHO's? Can I remove it and leave it off as well? I was surprised at how hot the fuel lines and regulator are. Hoping that they stay cooler without the covers.
Quote from: sholxgt on May 25, 2016, 10:22:58 AM
Apologies for reviving an old thread. I figured it's better than making a new one.
Under the engine cover on my MKS I also have a foam block that covers the fuel pressure regulator. Is that also on SHO's? Can I remove it and leave it off as well? I was surprised at how hot the fuel lines and regulator are. Hoping that they stay cooler without the covers.
Ford/Lincoln sometimes put those covers on for a reason and personally would NOT remove any cover that's FUEL Related IMHO. Z :)
Quote from: ZSHO on May 25, 2016, 10:31:49 AM
Quote from: sholxgt on May 25, 2016, 10:22:58 AM
Apologies for reviving an old thread. I figured it's better than making a new one.
Under the engine cover on my MKS I also have a foam block that covers the fuel pressure regulator. Is that also on SHO's? Can I remove it and leave it off as well? I was surprised at how hot the fuel lines and regulator are. Hoping that they stay cooler without the covers.
Ford/Lincoln sometimes put those covers on for a reason,personally would not remove anything fuel related IMHO. Z
I suspect that the reason is to silence the DI system. The dealership had the car running outside while I was inside doing paperwork. I didn't even know it was running until I got in and noticed the air was running. Granted I am used to much louder cars.
Why would you want to remove that?...not to he a jerk but you seem like you shouldnt he touching anything...that foam is actually insulating the fuel pump and fuel to combat heat and for noise suppression...the mustangs use the same thing on the rail
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 25, 2016, 10:36:45 AM
Why would you want to remove that?...not to he a jerk but you seem like you shouldnt he touching anything...that foam is actually insulating the fuel pump and fuel to combat heat and for noise suppression...the mustangs use the same thing on the rail
You may be correct, but since the fuel components are bolted to the valve cover it's more likely trapping heat instead of insulating from the heat. The heat source is below the cover and it's blocking airflow that would cool the components. Same goes for the engine cover.
Both appear to be there for sound deadening purposes. Not for heat insulation.
Basically, I think that I have to remove both or neither. Without the engine cover in place, the foam block on the fuel components could be blown off by airflow.
Heat suppression bro...please trust me...
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 25, 2016, 10:51:14 AM
Heat suppression bro...please trust me...
Is it possible that it's insulating the fuel system from the heat that is caused by the engine cover? The engine cover just looks like a giant heat trap to me.
As I said, the engine cover secures the fuel system cover. So, I have to keep both or remove both. Sounds like you would go with keeping both?
Take them both off mediately the ford engineers are stupid and had an oversight and don't know what they're doing
Quote from: sholxgt on May 25, 2016, 10:34:56 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on May 25, 2016, 10:31:49 AM
Quote from: sholxgt on May 25, 2016, 10:22:58 AM
Apologies for reviving an old thread. I figured it's better than making a new one.
Under the engine cover on my MKS I also have a foam block that covers the fuel pressure regulator. Is that also on SHO's? Can I remove it and leave it off as well? I was surprised at how hot the fuel lines and regulator are. Hoping that they stay cooler without the covers.
Ford/Lincoln sometimes put those covers on for a reason,personally would not remove anything fuel related IMHO. Z
I suspect that the reason is to silence the DI system. The dealership had the car running outside while I was inside doing paperwork. I didn't even know it was running until I got in and noticed the air was running. Granted I am used to much louder cars.
Sholxgt please setup your signature,thanks Z :)
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 25, 2016, 11:01:45 AM
Take them both off mediately before the engineers are stupid and had an oversight and don't know what they're doing
LOL. The engineers have different goals than you and I. As evidenced by your choice to ignore what they felt was the best programming and exhaust choices for the car, you don't fully agree with their choices.
Being a Lincoln, they engineer for owner comfort in all possible ways.
Back to my first question...do SHO's have this foam block?
Not really a good analogy...their programming is great we are just making more power...heat suppression is a constant
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 25, 2016, 11:18:24 AM
Not really a good analogy...their programming is great we are just making more power...heat suppression is a constant
I REALLY disagree that their programming is great. I have owned Fords since 1988 and almost every one of them actually drove better and increased fuel mileage with aftermarket programming.
Just a small example of a few that I have owned...
2007 Explorer v8 - factory program is a nightmare with the transmission doing random neutral drops. Took 2 years for Ford to develop a program that fixed it
2006 CVPI - delay in gas pedal that is so severe that the throttle becomes hair trigger. Does nothing and then everything. Fixed with aftermarket programming.
2003 F250 6.0 - factory programming that allowed EGT's that were so high that it nuked the head gaskets. Fixed afterwards with aftermarket programming.
Sounds like operator error
You seem like the type where problems just follow you around...the chances of the frequency of the problems you described are pretty impressive...have you ever pondered why other people in the rest of the country didnt share your experiences..yeah i know all your buddies had the same issues and it was all over the forums too.....if i look on the internet i also find that my town is inhabited with aliens too
Quote from: AJP turbo on May 25, 2016, 11:36:14 AM
You seem like the type where problems just follow you around...the chances of the frequency of the problems you described are pretty impressive...have you ever pondered why other the rest of the country didnt share your experiences..yeah i know all your buddies had the same issues and it was all over the forums too.....if i look on the internet i also find that my town is inhabited with aliens too
Quick, look behind you! There's an alien!
Still wondering if the SHO's have the ultra important "heat shielding foam block" or if it's unique to the MKS?
(http://i.imgur.com/iicuuXF.jpg?1)
Quote from: ZSHO on May 25, 2016, 11:52:10 AM
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Thanks Z! That's exactly what I wanted to know.
Any problem with that foam block staying in place with the engine cover removed?
Quote from: sholxgt on May 25, 2016, 11:57:20 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on May 25, 2016, 11:52:10 AM
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Thanks Z! That's exactly what I wanted to know.
Any problem with that foam block staying in place with the engine cover removed?
I have seen many members driving with no engine cover on,especially in hot weather & Track without any incidents including myself. Z
There wont be any incidents its just less than ideal...you can run with crappy oil...but is that best?
Would not remove that foam block. It may also suppress vibrations from fuel pulses, and hence squash future rattles. One way to find out is to remove it and drive around for a while.
Thanks all for your advice! I will keep the foam bock in place and only remove the engine cover.
Will keep an eye on everything for a while to make sure there aren't any problems.
That foam padding under the engine cover is keeping heat in the engine to combat underhood temps....removing it might allow hot engine air to creep iver to your intake box...uh oh lol
And the foam block on the high pressure pump keeps away the underhood heat from heating the fuel and pump itself from the cool fuel that came from outside the engine...
Back in early 2011, there were failures of the HPFP due to that foam block being in place.
It actually RETAINS HEAT, not the converse as discussed here.
One of those failures occurred on Kirk Doucette's SHO.
Most of you know Kirk's involvement in the SHO world, spanning many decades.
Kirk also has direct insight with the entire engineering development team that built the Gen4+ SHO platform.
Kirk learned the only reason that foam block was put in place, was simply for noise suppression. That's it.
I removed the foam block on my SHO that same year (2011) & threw it in the garbage. Never have had it on since, and nor have I had any problems either.
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Quote from: bpd1151 on May 25, 2016, 01:11:51 PM
Back in early 2011, there were failures of the HPFP due to that foam block being in place.
It actually RETAINS HEAT, not the converse as discussed here.
One of those failures occurred on Kirk Doucette's SHO.
Most of you know Kirk's involvement in the SHO world, spanning many decades.
Kirk also has direct insight with the entire engineering development team that built the Gen4+ SHO platform.
Kirk learned the only reason that foam block was put in place, was simply for noise suppression. That's it.
I removed the foam block on my SHO that same year (2011) & threw it in the garbage. Never have had it on since, and nor have I had any problems either.
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Thank you very much! That is the exact impression that I get from looking at it. It is on top of a unit that has a heat source underneath it. That would not lead to heat removal, but instead heat retention.
That is correct and you are welcome.
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I guess fords logic is that keeping it on there will lead to more failures due to heat and create job security for the service techs in the form warrenty work....my mistake lol
Its not unheard of for fuel to boil inside those pumps. At the same time heating the fuel in the winter can be advantageous for fuel volume so maybe the answer is running in winter only. At least for the corn guys.
mmm, corn
When changing the spark plugs on my MKS this weekend...i noticed there was also "foam" of some sort under the upper intake manifold/plenum. Do SHO's have that?
Never seen anything like that before...
Quote from: Ryan02Stang on June 06, 2016, 09:45:45 AM
When changing the spark plugs on my MKS this weekend...i noticed there was also "foam" of some sort under the upper intake manifold/plenum. Do SHO's have that?
Never seen anything like that before...
My original engine cover does... But a Ford factory replacement purchased for a CF wrap does not... Pros and cons related to noise and heat I suppose.
Quote from: Ryan02Stang on June 06, 2016, 09:45:45 AM
When changing the spark plugs on my MKS this weekend...i noticed there was also "foam" of some sort under the upper intake manifold/plenum. Do SHO's have that?
Never seen anything like that before...
Ryan due post some pic's of the location,question in mind,thanks. Z
There's a foam cover for the HPFP, for sure, as it is a noisy little bugger :) But like Z said, post a pic of the exact piece you are referring to. Some pics of the general area are in the recent 3bar location thread:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6280 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6280)
(http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w596/knot2bfound/Hotpipes/9-HotpipesStockFullFrontlabelled_zps01fef6d2.jpg)
(http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/t597/PerfA_ZN0W/2010-up/How%20To/CX2231%20pic%203a_zps1kva6twp.jpg)
Quote from: ZSHO on June 06, 2016, 09:56:03 AM
Quote from: Ryan02Stang on June 06, 2016, 09:45:45 AM
When changing the spark plugs on my MKS this weekend...i noticed there was also "foam" of some sort under the upper intake manifold/plenum. Do SHO's have that?
Never seen anything like that before...
Ryan due post some pic's of the location,question in mind,thanks. Z
Stole the pic from above, so apparently all the 3.5's have it. I circled what I'm talking about in red.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160606/10d43886411372d86fafdda79ddcf45b.jpg)
It should have the "Foam block"according to page two on this thread,think the other member has a 13 MKS and was also inquiring about the removal of that piece in question. Z
Just seems weird to me that Ford would squeeze a big piece of foam under the intake plenum....
Quote from: Ryan02Stang on June 06, 2016, 10:48:30 AM
Just seems weird to me that Ford would squeeze a big piece of foam under the intake plenum....
It's up for debate, but my initial impression has not changed. I believe all of the foam is to help quiet the natural noises caused by direct injection. I also believe that these sound deadening materials come at the cost of additional heat soak. You can't insulate from heat by adding materials on top.
Unless those materials are actively or passively cooled. These dense foam rubbers are neither.
Someone with datalogging abilities could probably do some tests to see if any of the changes are significant with/without the sound deadening materials in place
It looks like the 15+have it also. Z (http://i.imgur.com/TQ0HiD1.jpg)
All I know is it is noisy as hell without it.
Quote from: BiGMaC on June 06, 2016, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: Ryan02Stang on June 06, 2016, 09:45:45 AM
When changing the spark plugs on my MKS this weekend...i noticed there was also "foam" of some sort under the upper intake manifold/plenum. Do SHO's have that?
Never seen anything like that before...
My original engine cover does... But a Ford factory replacement purchased for a CF wrap does not... Pros and cons related to noise and heat I suppose.
Bigmac you are talking about the foam under the cover which is a seperate part i believe....ryan meant under the manifold in the valley i think
Quote from: AJP turbo on June 06, 2016, 07:42:39 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on June 06, 2016, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: Ryan02Stang on June 06, 2016, 09:45:45 AM
When changing the spark plugs on my MKS this weekend...i noticed there was also "foam" of some sort under the upper intake manifold/plenum. Do SHO's have that?
Never seen anything like that before...
My original engine cover does... But a Ford factory replacement purchased for a CF wrap does not... Pros and cons related to noise and heat I suppose.
Bigmac you are talking about the foam under the cover which is a seperate part i believe....ryan meant under the manifold in the valley i think
Exactly
OIC.... Never had one of those. Never had a noise problem, even when in the garage, except the fans in a PHX summer.... 116 today!
The PI version does not include superfluous engine covers but does have all the foam.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160614/f1e8d2c3a7f01f46db2610cf8298bb53.jpg)
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Question for all of you, since we are in this department,when the car is on, and even without this cover on, I can hear this vacuum noise (sucking, as in a boost leak) coming from the firewall, someplace from the rear turbo to the valve cover closer to the cabin. The noise is only noticeable at idle with the hood up. I was curious if you hear this noise on your car, and if it's normal?
Quote from: 13TTPI on June 14, 2016, 04:50:39 PM
The PI version does not include superfluous engine covers but does have all the foam.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160614/f1e8d2c3a7f01f46db2610cf8298bb53.jpg)
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I think you might want to put a 1/4 clamp on that wastegate hose before it pops off the intake charge pipe and sets a code or an over boost condition and it does look a little loose IMO. Z
Quote from: CroR1 on June 14, 2016, 05:46:40 PM
Question for all of you, since we are in this department,when the car is on, and even without this cover on, I can hear this vacuum noise (sucking, as in a boost leak) coming from the firewall, someplace from the rear turbo to the valve cover closer to the cabin. The noise is only noticeable at idle with the hood up. I was curious if you hear this noise on your car, and if it's normal?
Its quite normal to hear a slight hissing sound coming from the brake booster,vacuum line but only to a certain extent. Z
Quote from: ZSHO on June 14, 2016, 10:46:43 PM
Quote from: 13TTPI on June 14, 2016, 04:50:39 PM
The PI version does not include superfluous engine covers but does have all the foam.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160614/f1e8d2c3a7f01f46db2610cf8298bb53.jpg)
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I think you might want to put a 1/4 clamp on that wastegate hose before it pops off the intake charge pipe and sets a code or an over boost condition and it does look a little loose IMO. Z
Wow! Thank you for eyeballing that, could you also circle where the clamp is missing? Or is that the 1/4 hose behind the front BOV?
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Quote from: 13TTPI on June 14, 2016, 10:58:33 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on June 14, 2016, 10:46:43 PM
Quote from: 13TTPI on June 14, 2016, 04:50:39 PM
The PI version does not include superfluous engine covers but does have all the foam.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160614/f1e8d2c3a7f01f46db2610cf8298bb53.jpg)
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I think you might want to put a 1/4 clamp on that wastegate hose before it pops off the intake charge pipe and sets a code or an over boost condition and it does look a little loose IMO. Z
Wow! Thank you for eyeballing that, could you also circle where the clamp is missing? Or is that the 1/4 hose behind the front BOV?
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That's it.
Quote from: BiGMaC on June 14, 2016, 11:03:54 PM
Quote from: 13TTPI on June 14, 2016, 10:58:33 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on June 14, 2016, 10:46:43 PM
Quote from: 13TTPI on June 14, 2016, 04:50:39 PM
The PI version does not include superfluous engine covers but does have all the foam.
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I think you might want to put a 1/4 clamp on that wastegate hose before it pops off the intake charge pipe and sets a code or an over boost condition and it does look a little loose IMO. Z
Wow! Thank you for eyeballing that, could you also circle where the clamp is missing? Or is that the 1/4 hose behind the front BOV?
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That's it.
While we're on the subject of noob questions, how does one discern between the oil required Airaid filter & the dry? I found a MyCal and Airaid set on a large Online auction web site (already been in contact with LMS & know what I still need to do to get tunes) and want to be sure I maintain the filter correctly. Thanks!
Oh & I can't see any evidence of a clamp ever being on the waste gate side of that hose, this and other minor issues such as an inop "low gear" switch just make me wonder.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160615/a38f08950d50f3cf855bed80bcfa6321.jpg)
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Thank you, Z. I was following that hose and tuning in for sound. Even removed that plastic wrap on that line to see if it was leaking. I noticed it the other day when the hood was up. I don't drive that car much, so it's still new to me. But it does seem to be ing that area.
Quote from: 13TTPI on June 14, 2016, 11:40:59 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on June 14, 2016, 11:03:54 PM
Quote from: 13TTPI on June 14, 2016, 10:58:33 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on June 14, 2016, 10:46:43 PM
Quote from: 13TTPI on June 14, 2016, 04:50:39 PM
The PI version does not include superfluous engine covers but does have all the foam.
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I think you might want to put a 1/4 clamp on that wastegate hose before it pops off the intake charge pipe and sets a code or an over boost condition and it does look a little loose IMO. Z
Wow! Thank you for eyeballing that, could you also circle where the clamp is missing? Or is that the 1/4 hose behind the front BOV?
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That's it.
While we're on the subject of noob questions, how does one discern between the oil required Airaid filter & the dry? I found a MyCal and Airaid set on a large Online auction web site (already been in contact with LMS & know what I still need to do to get tunes) and want to be sure I maintain the filter correctly. Thanks!
Oh & I can't see any evidence of a clamp ever being on the waste gate side of that hose, this and other minor issues such as an inop "low gear" switch just make me wonder.(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160615/a38f08950d50f3cf855bed80bcfa6321.jpg)
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Should be a part number on the filter.
Here's a link to air raid with the kit part numbers.
You'll need to click on each one to see the specific air filter part number that's used and if it's dry or oiled.
http://www.airaid.com/search/appsearch.aspx?type=all&year=2010&make=FORD&model=Taurus%20SHO&engine=3.5L
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Ford decided to not add any additional clamps on those two hoses as pictured below and have seen those hoses pop off to many times stock or tuned,also to answer your other question the Dryflow seems to be the better choice IMO and does not need oil and easier maintenance. Z(http://i.imgur.com/yfnHQxd.jpg?1)
The foam block on the HPFP is for noise suppression. On the 2008 Cobalt SS Turbo, GM did not include any insulation for the GTDI HPFP and then as a TSB provided for an insulation material. The material is the same foam. Starting 2009, the SSTC came with the insulation. That HPFP is a Bosch that is an earlier version of what we have on EcoBoost.
Quote from: sholxgt on May 25, 2016, 12:45:58 PM
Thanks all for your advice! I will keep the foam bock in place and only remove the engine cover.
That's what I do in the Summer and have had no issues. If you look at some other FoMoCo cars (and trucks), some look like they have the foam cylinder without an engine cover.
How come nobody told SHO-pa that if you remove the engine cover, you have to do a re calibration of the flux capacitor as well?