SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread - LOCKED

[shoNoff]

Oh wow that's some crappy lucky. I'm in the auto parts industry. You don't see many t-stat failures in general anymore.

[StealBlueSho]

So far the Tstat is behaving correctly... but usually if they stick once, they will stick again. I have an email into GH for a new one...

I will say this Auto Octane tune Matt developed for the bigger turbo setup is legit... I might just stick with this one for the time being...


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[802SHO]

With the auto octane you can fuel up with whatever...but are you still mostly e30 or more 93 in there now?

[StealBlueSho]

With the auto octane you can fuel up with whatever...but are you still mostly e30 or more 93 in there now?

It's E12 or so... so might as well be 93...  but there is a big difference in tuning between his E30 and Autooctane...

Matt said his Auto Octane with bigger turbos is about the same power as E30 on stock turbos..


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[802SHO]

Auto octane GH tune for bigger turbos same power as E30 GH tune with stock turbos or bigger turbos?

[SM105K]

Auto octane GH tune for bigger turbos same power as E30 GH tune with stock turbos or bigger turbos?

He said GH E30 with stock turbos.

[SM105K]

SBS, why don't you just put in a stock T-stat and be done with it?   

[StealBlueSho]

SBS, why don't you just put in a stock T-stat and be done with it?

Matt said there is benefit to the 170F Tstat.. 160Tstat is too cold according to him (and everyone else but LMS)... if I am gonna open the Tstat housing and make a mess again.. should probably do it with the one my tuner likes.

[SM105K]

SBS, why don't you just put in a stock T-stat and be done with it?

Matt said there is benefit to the 170F Tstat.. 160Tstat is too cold according to him (and everyone else but LMS)... if I am gonna open the Tstat housing and make a mess again.. should probably do it with the one my tuner likes.

What is the exact benefit?  Once the car gets up to operating temp....what happens? 

[StealBlueSho]

SBS, why don't you just put in a stock T-stat and be done with it?

Matt said there is benefit to the 170F Tstat.. 160Tstat is too cold according to him (and everyone else but LMS)... if I am gonna open the Tstat housing and make a mess again.. should probably do it with the one my tuner likes.

What is the exact benefit?  Once the car gets up to operating temp....what happens?

So from what I understand... and I could be off on this... but the lower engine temps allow for more spark... IE.. if the car runs hotter, it tolerance for knock goes down based on the fuel supplied. Again.. I could be off, but Matt said there is a bit of power to be gained from running slightly cooler than stock.. I defer to his knowledge on this one.  I have two stock thermostats sitting on a shelf, so I Matt says they are good to go, then I will use one of them.. otherwise, I will grab another 170F Tstat.

[Jordan]

SBS, why don't you just put in a stock T-stat and be done with it?

Matt said there is benefit to the 170F Tstat.. 160Tstat is too cold according to him (and everyone else but LMS)... if I am gonna open the Tstat housing and make a mess again.. should probably do it with the one my tuner likes.

What is the exact benefit?  Once the car gets up to operating temp....what happens?

So from what I understand... and I could be off on this... but the lower engine temps allow for more spark... IE.. if the car runs hotter, it tolerance for knock goes down based on the fuel supplied. Again.. I could be off, but Matt said there is a bit of power to be gained from running slightly cooler than stock.. I defer to his knowledge on this one.  I have two stock thermostats sitting on a shelf, so I Matt says they are good to go, then I will use one of them.. otherwise, I will grab another 170F Tstat.

Heat can equal preignition. Manufacturers want the happy medium for regular consumers not the performance oriented ones. In Michael's case I'd just say the stock one would just be a bandaid until he gets another one. Considering the amount of pressure and heat he is creating it's probably even more necessary than just a regular tune and bolt on Taurus.

[StealBlueSho]

One half dozen or another... I just paid for a new one from GH...

Sooo.. that means the last LMS purchased part that is on my car is the Catchcan... hmmmm...

[SM105K]

SBS, why don't you just put in a stock T-stat and be done with it?

Matt said there is benefit to the 170F Tstat.. 160Tstat is too cold according to him (and everyone else but LMS)... if I am gonna open the Tstat housing and make a mess again.. should probably do it with the one my tuner likes.

What is the exact benefit?  Once the car gets up to operating temp....what happens?

So from what I understand... and I could be off on this... but the lower engine temps allow for more spark... IE.. if the car runs hotter, it tolerance for knock goes down based on the fuel supplied. Again.. I could be off, but Matt said there is a bit of power to be gained from running slightly cooler than stock.. I defer to his knowledge on this one.  I have two stock thermostats sitting on a shelf, so I Matt says they are good to go, then I will use one of them.. otherwise, I will grab another 170F Tstat.

Heat can equal preignition. Manufacturers want the happy medium for regular consumers not the performance oriented ones. In Michael's case I'd just say the stock one would just be a bandaid until he gets another one. Considering the amount of pressure and heat he is creating it's probably even more necessary than just a regular tune and bolt on Taurus.

I dont agree and here is my reasoning....

http://www.tuneruniversity.com/blog/2012/04/low-temp-thermostats-whats-the-advantage/

[mattr66]

My take is this.... The cooling system issues we have on these cars cannot be fixed with a thermostat.  We need more water pump flow and bigger radiator capacity to allow for running these things at 625 crank horsepower for more than a 1/4 mile at a time.  Dropping the "starting" coolant temp by 10 degrees buys you more time before the coolant temp gets to 215 or so at wot and you have to start pulling timing back (it is progressive up to that point, but 215 seems to be where you really need to start retarding timing from my experience)  or risk detonation.  Also, by this point, that extra 10 degrees of temp reduction at the start also allows the coolant temp to get to an equilibrium point since you now have had lots of airflow through the cooling stack (because of vehicle speed) and might be able to hold the coolant below 220 where things start to really go downhill for power production.  If we had a cooling system capable of holding 195 degrees no matter what happens, that would be the optimum temperature, but since we don't, we make compromises.  The 170 thermostat I like running is the best compromise between giving us a little buffer for cooling capacity as well as allows for efficiency and getting the oil temp hot enough to cook the water out on short trips.  There are also concerns about carbon buildup long-term that makes me not want to go any colder as well.

[802SHO]

Auto octane GH tune for bigger turbos same power as E30 GH tune with stock turbos or bigger turbos?

He said GH E30 with stock turbos.

I know I guess I was hoping it was a typeo.  If I was already e30 tuned with stock turbos....then upgraded my turbos.I would be mad if after spending all that money I was back to the same power level as an e30 stock turbo tune with the auto octane upgraded turbo tune.  So basically I was hoping he meant that the e30 upgraded turbo tune was about the same as auto octane upgraded turbo tune