SBS 2016 Taurus SHO Build Thread - LOCKED

[SM105K]

I wonder how many eblended GDI motors have popped due to LSPI? Would be an interesting number...

I would say quite a few, because it is becoming more and more of a topic.

SBS, I dont want to clutter your post.  However, I know this is going to be seen a lot and I believe a lot of good information can be shared through your build.

[StealBlueSho]

I wonder how many eblended GDI motors have popped due to LSPI? Would be an interesting number...

I would say quite a few, because it is becoming more and more of a topic.

SBS, I dont want to clutter your post.  However, I know this is going to be seen a lot and I believe a lot of good information can be shared through your build.

Oh I am not worried, I have always been a proponent of shared knowledge. Good discussions benefit all!

[18SHO]

I think only saying we should run Amsoil is silly.  There are numerous oils out there that have been tested that are just a good as Amsoil at half the price. 

From what I am seeing oil with a good synthetic base with (lower) sodium and calcium is the ticket.  Poor quality fuel, over fueling at idle, pro longed idle, and prolonged oil life also attribute to LPSI.  Good fuel, minimal pro longed idling, and frequent oil changes with a good oil (I change mine everything 3k mile) helps.  Also a good CC is recommended.

Lots of good info....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6256.30.html provided by Shodded.

Not saying Amsoil is the only oil to use there's others , but Amsoil had the most testing done and it protects 100% against LSPI , Direct injection and motor oil choice are crucial for life and longevity along with frequent oil changes. No long intervals.  Cost money to get it but cheap insurance to keep that motor putting the power and boost down to the ground. Other oil choices will specify for direct injection but no one has more testing then Amsoil. I could be wrong but I havnt see any other like it. I agree fuel quality can be an issue and idling for long time can be but you'll see some terrible knock readings .

https://www.amsoil.com/lander/new-amsoil-signature-series/

[StealBlueSho]

Update on the build...

"Final" tuning is all completed! Over the past couple days Matt has been working on tweaking the parameters in the tune to optimize the current setup since the Dyno was a base tune for the upgraded turbos. Not really adding additional power, but optimizing the current power production for sure. Runs phenomenal.

HUGE SHOUT OUT to Matt Robinson at Gearhead for spending the past couple nights going back forth with logs and tunes! If anyone knows a way to ship alcohol to TX, let me know!

Next will be a few runs at the track with datalogging to see if there are any additional areas for improvement. Until then, its just going to be enjoying this beast of a car.. and maybe putting a GH banner on it... maybe...

Funny... I was doing a multigear pull and I had no clue the Focus next to me was an ST.. nor that he was trying to run me, figured he was just cruising as he was so far behind.. guy pulls up next to me as I get off the highway and gives me a huge thumbs up...

[SM105K]

I think only saying we should run Amsoil is silly.  There are numerous oils out there that have been tested that are just a good as Amsoil at half the price. 

From what I am seeing oil with a good synthetic base with (lower) sodium and calcium is the ticket.  Poor quality fuel, over fueling at idle, pro longed idle, and prolonged oil life also attribute to LPSI.  Good fuel, minimal pro longed idling, and frequent oil changes with a good oil (I change mine everything 3k mile) helps.  Also a good CC is recommended.

Lots of good info....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,6256.30.html provided by Shodded.

Not saying Amsoil is the only oil to use there's others , but Amsoil had the most testing done and it protects 100% against LSPI , Direct injection and motor oil choice are crucial for life and longevity along with frequent oil changes. No long intervals.  Cost money to get it but cheap insurance to keep that motor putting the power and boost down to the ground. Other oil choices will specify for direct injection but no one has more testing then Amsoil. I could be wrong but I havnt see any other like it. I agree fuel quality can be an issue and idling for long time can be but you'll see some terrible knock readings .

https://www.amsoil.com/lander/new-amsoil-signature-series/

I get what you are saying 100 percent. 

However, who did the testing of Amsoil?  On the site it says:

3Based on independent testing of AMSOIL Signature Series 5w-30 motor oil in the LSPI engine test as required for the GM dexos 1® Gen 2 specification.

No where can I find that they linked the tester.  I have a problem with that.

In this document it shows the Amsoil is high in calcium...which is a no-no in the LSPI world.  It has the highest calcium of all tested. 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gEMTa3YOBIYBTYiaEhQLfooPohN_l645z1DaWRuFzC0/edit#gid=1618148264

I am personally switch to Castrol Edge.  Becasue it is low in calcuim and sodium. 

Shodded dropped bombs of info in this thread....

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5981.msg133120.html#msg133120

Profound in that article was this statement which I copied in that thread....

https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/oil-composition-direct-injection-low-speed-knock/

"It has nothing to do with the amount of oil in the combustion chamber, or if the engine is consuming oil or not. There's going to be oil in the upper ring zone in every properly lubricated engine. It's a question of whether the oil in the upper ring zone has a tendency to hold fuel, or not. If the fuel mixes with the oil, and the oil creates an emulsion, if you will, where it holds the fuel in the oil, that's where things can begin to go bad," says Speed.

Profound, and easily interpreted.

With so much info, what is correct?  Who is correct? 

[SM105K]

Update on the build...

"Final" tuning is all completed! Over the past couple days Matt has been working on tweaking the parameters in the tune to optimize the current setup since the Dyno was a base tune for the upgraded turbos. Not really adding additional power, but optimizing the current power production for sure. Runs phenomenal.

HUGE SHOUT OUT to Matt Robinson at Gearhead for spending the past couple nights going back forth with logs and tunes! If anyone knows a way to ship alcohol to TX, let me know!

Next will be a few runs at the track with datalogging to see if there are any additional areas for improvement. Until then, its just going to be enjoying this beast of a car.. and maybe putting a GH banner on it... maybe...

Funny... I was doing a multigear pull and I had no clue the Focus next to me was an ST.. nor that he was trying to run me, figured he was just cruising as he was so far behind.. guy pulls up next to me as I get off the highway and gives me a huge thumbs up...

Nice, it is sounding like more and more the upgrades are worth it.

[SHOdded]

In this document it shows the Amsoil is high in calcium...which is a no-no in the LSPI world.  It has the highest calcium of all tested. 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gEMTa3YOBIYBTYiaEhQLfooPohN_l645z1DaWRuFzC0/edit#gid=1618148264

That was an old Amsoil formulation, pre-Nov 2017 or so.  Just make sure if you are buying from a retailer, that the datestamp is Dec 2017 or better.  They do not code the datestamps so it is easy to tell.

[SM105K]

In this document it shows the Amsoil is high in calcium...which is a no-no in the LSPI world.  It has the highest calcium of all tested. 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gEMTa3YOBIYBTYiaEhQLfooPohN_l645z1DaWRuFzC0/edit#gid=1618148264

That was an old Amsoil formulation, pre-Nov 2017 or so.  Just make sure if you are buying from a retailer, that the datestamp is Dec 2017 or better.  They do not code the datestamps so it is easy to tell.

You are the man when it comes to this.  Can you tell us who was the independent tester that Amsoil used and is claiming:

"Low-speed pre-ignition is the spontaneous ignition of the fuel/air mixture prior to spark-triggered ignition. This phenomenon is much more destructive than typical pre-ignition and has become one of the latest challenges to arise in today's advanced engines. Signature Series Synthetic Motor Oil has been armed with an advanced detergent system and achieved 100% protection against LSPI. "

Have they figured out a way to completely keep the fuel from emulsifying with the oil in the upper ring zone? 

[StealBlueSho]

All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

[SM105K]

All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Tonight?

[StealBlueSho]

All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Tonight?

Negative.. mid may is when my preferred track is open for test and tune.

[SM105K]

All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Tonight?

Negative.. mid may is when my preferred track is open for test and tune.

I dislike get semi's for nothing....

[StealBlueSho]

All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Tonight?

Negative.. mid may is when my preferred track is open for test and tune.

I dislike get semi's for nothing....

You married?

[SM105K]

All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Tonight?

Negative.. mid may is when my preferred track is open for test and tune.

I dislike get semi's for nothing....

You married?

Separated....I know where you are going with this.....lol. 

[StealBlueSho]

All cleaned up and ready for the track!!!

Tonight?

Negative.. mid may is when my preferred track is open for test and tune.

I dislike get semi's for nothing....

You married?

Separated....I know where you are going with this.....lol.

That comment literally made me LOL.... cause yes..