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2015 SHO PP ruff idle slow to start but power is still there
« on: March 08, 2019, 05:27:17 PM »
2015 SHO with Performance Pack
82k miles
ALWAYS use 93 octane... name brand stations
Today - car turns over a few times more before firing up.
Rough idle - intermitent - ruff, lower than normal idle, idle varying... other times normal
stomp on it, and power seems normal.
Dont see any vacuum hoses loose or disconnected.
Last tank of premium was 200 miles before problems started.
HAD a check engine light... now its gone.
ideas?
I have a FORD ESP warranty to 125k miles, but I am not near my prefered dealer.
17 Explorer Sport Twin Turbo
15 SHO PP hard loaded

93 SHO

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Re: 2015 SHO PP ruff idle slow to start but power is still there
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2019, 05:36:41 PM »
When did you change the battery last?  What are the CCAs on it at the present time?  Might still be a code in the PCM, check that.  Do you leave an OBD adapter plugged in?

After all that could be an EVAP purge valve lol.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

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Re: 2015 SHO PP ruff idle slow to start but power is still there
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2019, 05:44:41 PM »
X2- Battery original! Did you notice the Battery saver pop up on Sync screen!
Check for corrosion on battery terminals. Z
« Last Edit: March 08, 2019, 05:46:38 PM by ZSHO »


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Re: 2015 SHO PP ruff idle slow to start but power is still there
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2019, 06:03:59 PM »
New battery 10 months ago.
Turns over strong. just takes a few extra revolutions to start.
PLUS once its running, battery isnt in use... so how does battery affect ruff idle.
(THANKS for reaching out)
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Re: 2015 SHO PP ruff idle slow to start but power is still there
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2019, 08:24:06 PM »
2015 SHO with Performance Pack
82k miles
ALWAYS use 93 octane... name brand stations
Today - car turns over a few times more before firing up.
Rough idle - intermitent - ruff, lower than normal idle, idle varying... other times normal
stomp on it, and power seems normal.
Dont see any vacuum hoses loose or disconnected.
Last tank of premium was 200 miles before problems started.
HAD a check engine light... now its gone.
ideas?
I have a FORD ESP warranty to 125k miles, but I am not near my prefered dealer.


If there are no codes,  i will go with a leaky injector;  and or bad plug/cop ... or more likely unmetered air that is low enough volume to not matter under load.

get a data log of the rough idle ..  im not sure what to look for with unmetered air,  but a spiking stft from leaking injectors would be noticeable.  any chance you ran injector cleaner or had the dealer clean the fuel system?

Last thought .. also pull a plug and have someone scope the back of your vavles .. gunked valves will cause air mix issues and lead to bad ignition
2010 non-pp, 50k miles, 3-bar,  .30 plugs, 170-T-stat, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJP TURBO METH TUNE-REV3
 
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Re: 2015 SHO PP ruff idle slow to start but power is still there
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2019, 10:42:41 PM »
At idle is when the generator is making the least amps.  Depending on the items consuming power at the time, such as with remote start with auto climate control and dashcam and phone charger and audio system and headlamps etc, the battery might have to provide supplemental power to keep everything running.

I would check the code, if it is P045x, it is very likely the purge valve.  Did you first see it happening after a fuelup by any chance?
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

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Re: 2015 SHO PP ruff idle slow to start but power is still there
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2019, 04:34:59 AM »
I think SHOdded is correct that the Purge Valve is a likely culprit as the Valve could be stuck open and sometimes fail sooner than later.  Z

Here's my very own Dedicated thread below.   

https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7133.0.html
« Last Edit: March 09, 2019, 05:53:14 AM by ZSHO »


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Re: 2015 SHO PP ruff idle slow to start but power is still there
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2019, 09:12:02 AM »
Check engine light went out - everything back to normal.
Can I still get a code reading if the light is out - is it stored?
I had about 200 miles on the most recent tank of gas... less than 1/2 full when it started stumbing.
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Re: 2015 SHO PP ruff idle slow to start but power is still there
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2019, 09:55:50 AM »
CELs are only for major issues.  the remaining codes are in the PCM and do not trigger a CEL.  You HAVE to check the PCM for codes, one way or the other.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

 

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