Why not straight E85?

StealBlueSho · December 16, 2018, 08:53:51 PM

Quote from: EcoPowerParts on December 16, 2018, 08:52:34 PM
I ran straight E85, engine loves it.

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Troll.... not all of us drive Tremors.. or have a full auxiliary setup :-D

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EcoPowerParts · December 17, 2018, 09:02:18 AM

I had it on my flex, just have to do the work

StealBlueSho · December 17, 2018, 04:17:22 PM

Quote from: EcoPowerParts on December 17, 2018, 09:02:18 AM
I had it on my flex, just have to do the work

Yea... I just want a drop in canister solution lol..

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EcoPowerParts · December 17, 2018, 04:24:56 PM

Unfortunately I can't get my old supplier to put on the pump setup any more which was a drop in solution in the tank.
Need the 65 DI pump and injectors from my understanding. We'll see on my Tremor one day

Warriormonx · December 18, 2018, 12:14:15 AM

Quote from: StealBlueSho on December 12, 2018, 01:23:34 PM
Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on December 12, 2018, 01:20:16 PM
So if you have a sufficient aftermarket HPFP (more volume/psi)... Whats preventing guys from running straight E85? After speaking with a tuner (intentionally unnamed), E85 would only be tuned/used in conjunction with meth injection... which to me seems counter productive as far as wanting to avoid using meth altogether... Still running out of fuel at that point? Injectors limits? Engine hp limit?

So you talked to LMS... but I digress...

We have the injectors and the pump. The fuel lines are adequate according the Gearhead. The part that is holding us up is the in tank low pressure pumps that sit in the saddle. They are your basic canister style fuel pumps which if we had a shop willing to look at them, could be an easy fix.

I had a spare pump I sent to BPD1151 for reconditioning and I THINK to be possibly modified to support more fuel flow.

That's it at this point I believe....

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I have installed a port injection (auxiliary) kit with a radium spacer, Bosch injectors, controller and b/t ethanol sensor. Running straight e85 on my RS. Is fine with OEM fuel pump but does require upgraded lines and, obviously, a tune (that you flash to the accessport and the port injection controller).

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SHOdded · December 18, 2018, 02:12:29 AM

Welcome to the community, Warriormonx! Do intro yourself here
https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/board,14.0.html

StinkinLinkin13 · December 18, 2018, 12:20:22 PM

Yea... It seems to be two walls we hit at the injectors and Lpfp (lift pump)... Just don't really see spending 1700k on a hpfp to run E30 only.

SM105K · December 18, 2018, 12:50:16 PM

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on December 18, 2018, 12:20:22 PM
Yea... It seems to be two walls we hit at the injectors and Lpfp (lift pump)... Just don't really see spending 1700k on a hpfp to run E30 only.

I run E30 with a stock fuel system. My car is down for upgrades (tranny) but I don't forsee any issues using the E30 blend during the winter here in PHX, but only the data logs will tell.

StinkinLinkin13 · December 18, 2018, 01:08:00 PM

Quote from: sm105k on December 18, 2018, 12:50:16 PM
Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on December 18, 2018, 12:20:22 PM
Yea... It seems to be two walls we hit at the injectors and Lpfp (lift pump)... Just don't really see spending 1700k on a hpfp to run E30 only.

I run E30 with a stock fuel system. My car is down for upgrades (tranny) but I don't forsee any issues using the E30 blend during the winter here in PHX, but only the data logs will tell.

Yes... That's the route I am leaning with AJP. I have to send him a shout out for being very helpful in emails and putting in effort on his end to help me out. I am a little worried that my oem HPFP may be a bit of a dud as it seems to hit the issues sooner than most (plus SATX cold is not Michigan cold). But no way for me to know without data logs having gone the livernois route.

SM105K · December 18, 2018, 03:02:26 PM

Brad will not steer you wrong.

SHOdded · December 18, 2018, 03:29:26 PM

Wait, Brad is tuning steering systems too? That would be cool

Macgyver · December 18, 2018, 06:28:11 PM

Quote from: StinkinLinkin13 on December 18, 2018, 01:08:00 PMYes... That's the route I am leaning with AJP. I have to send him a shout out for being very helpful in emails and putting in effort on his end to help me out. I am a little worried that my oem HPFP may be a bit of a dud as it seems to hit the issues sooner than most (plus SATX cold is not Michigan cold). But no way for me to know without data logs having gone the livernois route.

Plenty of people run E30 on the Ecoboost without HPFP. That seems to be the sweet spot. And it Sure makes a difference from my Butt dyno thats for sure.

Also from my understanding of tuner people. Some are more efficient/better than others at fuel tables, boost application/tables etc. I have seen the same car have no fuel issues with one guy and fuel issues on the same car with another guy (making less power too).

802SHO · December 19, 2018, 04:47:18 AM

Pardon me if this is off topic but is anyone currently running an E30 blend with Meth or is anyone on here running straight E85 on meth? I know Livernois mentioned they have at least one customer that is. Curious if they are a member here. Anyway, what could be gained by combining the two?

SM105K · December 19, 2018, 12:35:26 PM

Quote from: 802SHO on December 19, 2018, 04:47:18 AM
Pardon me if this is off topic but is anyone currently running an E30 blend with Meth or is anyone on here running straight E85 on meth? I know Livernois mentioned they have at least one customer that is. Curious if they are a member here. Anyway, what could be gained by combining the two?

I know some of my turbo LS guys run E85 and Meth. They are both alcohol based fuels that work well together.

802SHO · December 19, 2018, 12:51:50 PM

Quote from: sm105k on December 19, 2018, 12:35:26 PM
Quote from: 802SHO on December 19, 2018, 04:47:18 AM
Pardon me if this is off topic but is anyone currently running an E30 blend with Meth or is anyone on here running straight E85 on meth? I know Livernois mentioned they have at least one customer that is. Curious if they are a member here. Anyway, what could be gained by combining the two?

I know some of my turbo LS guys run E85 and Meth. They are both alcohol based fuels that work well together.

Brad was on here earlier I was hoping he would chime in. So yes I'm assuming if an E30 tune is better by the seat of the pants dyno 93 tune...and meth is better than 93 only...wouldnt an E30 Meth tune be better? Old rule that more is better I'm hoping applies here.....