Ford removing cars from the us

[bpd1151]

It was the National Insurance Industry that set(s) the standard(s).

Anything over 400chp Ford would not be able to market/classify it as a "Family Sedan".

Still leaves 30 or so chp on the table if they really wanted to ride that line. But as we all know, they never have.

[Izzybird]

The loaner car Ford gave us is a C Max hybrid. I don't know if they're on the chopping block as well, but it's the epitome of a small, European, crossover. To me anyway. It's a wretched little box of thin steel and plastic and I wouldn't have one up my rear if there was room for a sawmill. Having said that, I do see it's appeal to certain people and those "types" seem to be everywhere. (I do live pretty close to one of the most disgraceful liberal cities on the planet). It's pretty peppy oddly enough. Visibility is phenomenal, sure don't get that in a Taurus. I can sit in it at 6' 2" with a cowboy hat on. Of course gets pretty good mileage, but can't touch a good old fashioned tuned TDI. Its labeled "green" so has a feel good idiot factor. Dead quiet and easy to drive. It even has a silly display of a tree and when you drive eco friendly, it grows leaves. If you hammer it everywhere, leaves fall off. How could you not feel good about how much your helping to save the planet!? Lol. If these are the ford cars of the future, I'll stick with dropping new drive trains in to old iron classics.

[griggs95]

I picked 385 hp in my example because of exactly what BDP said about the 400 hp mark and insurance. Bump it just 20 measly hp is enough to sway the average buyer as well as all the other interior updates because this is the norm these days.

I just think this was on purpose all along to axe these platforms and to do it right as gas is going up is perplexing this noggin of mine. Taking away all these fuel efficient cars is just really really odd at this moment in time...

This ecoboost thing (if you've read) really isn't all its cracked up to be as far as mpg are concerned. They only really shine on the highways. City streets where all the driving is really done for most people, the mpg's are not there. There are many complaints about this all over the place from Motor Trend to forums. I'm not complaining at all about it because I knew this going into one, but for me it was about the fun and bonus economy on a highway cruise to see relatives.

[SilvererSHO]

OK, I didn't know 400HP was the magic threshold.  I thought the stock HP of 365 was the threshold and that's why they held it to 365HP.  So ya, they could have at least bumped it up a bit when the 2013's came out.  I can't think of another higher performance car/engine that hasn't had a HP bump over it's lifespan now that I think about it and it's been around for nine models years now.  Makes no sense.

[FoMoCoSHO]

The loaner car Ford gave us is a C Max hybrid. I don't know if they're on the chopping block as well, but it's the epitome of a small, European, crossover. To me anyway. It's a wretched little box of thin steel and plastic and I wouldn't have one up my rear if there was room for a sawmill. Having said that, I do see it's appeal to certain people and those "types" seem to be everywhere. (I do live pretty close to one of the most disgraceful liberal cities on the planet). It's pretty peppy oddly enough. Visibility is phenomenal, sure don't get that in a Taurus. I can sit in it at 6' 2" with a cowboy hat on. Of course gets pretty good mileage, but can't touch a good old fashioned tuned TDI. Its labeled "green" so has a feel good idiot factor. Dead quiet and easy to drive. It even has a silly display of a tree and when you drive eco friendly, it grows leaves. If you hammer it everywhere, leaves fall off. How could you not feel good about how much your helping to save the planet!? Lol. If these are the ford cars of the future, I'll stick with dropping new drive trains in to old iron classics.

Was it a Titanium?

I ask because I just bought a loaded Titanium and I absolutely love it.

I test drove an SE and was pretty meh about the whole thing...

When the Mrs delivered mine I was like holee s***.

1st day at work 47 MPG all city.

I'm never even considered a hybrid but life and job change required me to consider stepping outside of my normal box.

When I compared features with the other hybrids it wasn't even a contest with the current incentives.

No, its not a SHO/MKS but I had to give up nothing feature wise.

The Lincoln is still here for when I feel like terrorizing unsuspecting drivers of sports cars.

[Izzybird]

No, base model. Even though I called it every name in the book, I have to give it credit. Everyone that sat in/drove it, liked it. My mother in law even made hint of getting one for herself. I can honestly see how you would like a loaded edition, I was a little impressed with it. If it had a baby diesel in it and someone actually tuned it to run like it should, I'd let one sit in my driveway.

[SilvererSHO]

No, base model. Even though I called it every name in the book, I have to give it credit. Everyone that sat in/drove it, liked it. My mother in law even made hint of getting one for herself. I can honestly see how you would like a loaded edition, I was a little impressed with it. If it had a baby diesel in it and someone actually tuned it to run like it should, I'd let one sit in my driveway.

I'm not so sure you'd like it too well if you got t-boned by a truck similar to the one behind the stack of four tires you grabbed up in your other post.  Just sayin'....

[StealBlueSho]

Eurotrash for everyone!!!!! There has been a Ford sedan in my family since 1989 when my father purchased his first SHO... since then between my folks and my family we have had

1989 SHO
1992 SHO
1994 SHO
1998 SHO
2008 Fusion SEL
2010 SHO
2011 Taurus SEL
2013 Fusion SEL
2016 SHO


Lots of four door sedans there..... sad to see Ford killing it off...


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[Izzybird]

No, base model. Even though I called it every name in the book, I have to give it credit. Everyone that sat in/drove it, liked it. My mother in law even made hint of getting one for herself. I can honestly see how you would like a loaded edition, I was a little impressed with it. If it had a baby diesel in it and someone actually tuned it to run like it should, I'd let one sit in my driveway.

I'm not so sure you'd like it too well if you got t-boned by a truck similar to the one behind the stack of four tires you grabbed up in your other post.  Just sayin'....

I agree, that car could easily scratch a nice trucks bumper. I might let it sit in the driveway, but I wouldn't make the payments or drive it. Willingly anyway!

[FoMoCoSHO]

No, base model. Even though I called it every name in the book, I have to give it credit. Everyone that sat in/drove it, liked it. My mother in law even made hint of getting one for herself. I can honestly see how you would like a loaded edition, I was a little impressed with it. If it had a baby diesel in it and someone actually tuned it to run like it should, I'd let one sit in my driveway.

I'm not so sure you'd like it too well if you got t-boned by a truck similar to the one behind the stack of four tires you grabbed up in your other post.  Just sayin'....

I dunno, I didn't see anything troubling in crash testing....

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/ford/c-max-hybrid-4-door-wagon

[lamrith]

No, base model. Even though I called it every name in the book, I have to give it credit. Everyone that sat in/drove it, liked it. My mother in law even made hint of getting one for herself. I can honestly see how you would like a loaded edition, I was a little impressed with it. If it had a baby diesel in it and someone actually tuned it to run like it should, I'd let one sit in my driveway.

I'm not so sure you'd like it too well if you got t-boned by a truck similar to the one behind the stack of four tires you grabbed up in your other post.  Just sayin'....

I dunno, I didn't see anything troubling in crash testing....

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/ford/c-max-hybrid-4-door-wagon

While today's crash testing is light years ahead of what it used to be, it simply cannot simulate honest real world accidents.  Namely in this case as SilvererSHO eludes to is the vehicle height issue.  All the testing is done ground up obstacle.  So the car being tested hits whatever the obstacle is with it's bumper.

The simple fact is that these days a significant percentage of vehicles on the road are bigger, taller trucks.  So that trucks bumper is now window level rather than bumper when in a smaller car like the C-max.  Worse than that is a car like the Miata my wife just picked up, heck her roofline is just an inch higher than the bottom of the windows on my stock height SHO!  Honestly there really is nothing car makers can do to counter that sort of impact.  In the old days I remember a guy in HS getting ticketed a few times for his lifted truck because the bumper was too high off the ground.  These days though, it seems anything goes with height other than Semi trucks, there is no enforced limit on bumper height.  That puts smaller cars at higher risk in accidents.

[SilvererSHO]

No, base model. Even though I called it every name in the book, I have to give it credit. Everyone that sat in/drove it, liked it. My mother in law even made hint of getting one for herself. I can honestly see how you would like a loaded edition, I was a little impressed with it. If it had a baby diesel in it and someone actually tuned it to run like it should, I'd let one sit in my driveway.

I'm not so sure you'd like it too well if you got t-boned by a truck similar to the one behind the stack of four tires you grabbed up in your other post.  Just sayin'....

I dunno, I didn't see anything troubling in crash testing....

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/ford/c-max-hybrid-4-door-wagon

While today's crash testing is light years ahead of what it used to be, it simply cannot simulate honest real world accidents.  Namely in this case as SilvererSHO eludes to is the vehicle height issue.  All the testing is done ground up obstacle.  So the car being tested hits whatever the obstacle is with it's bumper.

The simple fact is that these days a significant percentage of vehicles on the road are bigger, taller trucks.  So that trucks bumper is now window level rather than bumper when in a smaller car like the C-max.  Worse than that is a car like the Miata my wife just picked up, heck her roofline is just an inch higher than the bottom of the windows on my stock height SHO!  Honestly there really is nothing car makers can do to counter that sort of impact.  In the old days I remember a guy in HS getting ticketed a few times for his lifted truck because the bumper was too high off the ground.  These days though, it seems anything goes with height other than Semi trucks, there is no enforced limit on bumper height.  That puts smaller cars at higher risk in accidents.

YES!  I'm very libertarian by nature but I don't know how the hell the very thing you speak of isn't enforced.  It's a safety issue and I've wondered this for years.  On top of it all, no vehicle inspections in my state.  You should see some of the rolling piles of $hit we see running down our roads in MN.  Meanwhile, anything commercial is harassed to no end.  More money to be gleaned by big brother there I guess.  Who cares if a family of five is taken out by a jacked up suburban running a red light....

[Izzybird]

No, base model. Even though I called it every name in the book, I have to give it credit. Everyone that sat in/drove it, liked it. My mother in law even made hint of getting one for herself. I can honestly see how you would like a loaded edition, I was a little impressed with it. If it had a baby diesel in it and someone actually tuned it to run like it should, I'd let one sit in my driveway.

I'm not so sure you'd like it too well if you got t-boned by a truck similar to the one behind the stack of four tires you grabbed up in your other post.  Just sayin'....

I dunno, I didn't see anything troubling in crash testing....

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/ford/c-max-hybrid-4-door-wagon

While today's crash testing is light years ahead of what it used to be, it simply cannot simulate honest real world accidents.  Namely in this case as SilvererSHO eludes to is the vehicle height issue.  All the testing is done ground up obstacle.  So the car being tested hits whatever the obstacle is with it's bumper.

The simple fact is that these days a significant percentage of vehicles on the road are bigger, taller trucks.  So that trucks bumper is now window level rather than bumper when in a smaller car like the C-max.  Worse than that is a car like the Miata my wife just picked up, heck her roofline is just an inch higher than the bottom of the windows on my stock height SHO!  Honestly there really is nothing car makers can do to counter that sort of impact.  In the old days I remember a guy in HS getting ticketed a few times for his lifted truck because the bumper was too high off the ground.  These days though, it seems anything goes with height other than Semi trucks, there is no enforced limit on bumper height.  That puts smaller cars at higher risk in accidents.

YES!  I'm very libertarian by nature but I don't know how the hell the very thing you speak of isn't enforced.  It's a safety issue and I've wondered this for years.  On top of it all, no vehicle inspections in my state.  You should see some of the rolling piles of $hit we see running down our roads in MN.  Meanwhile, anything commercial is harassed to no end.  More money to be gleaned by big brother there I guess.  Who cares if a family of five is taken out by a jacked up suburban running a red light....

My truck is only up 2 1/2" which actually puts it about the same height as the new fords. But like you said, if I was unfortunate enough to have a car like that pull out in front of me it would be devastating for them. The 250 lbs of steel hanging off the front sheds deer and I'm sure would shed a hybrid as well. Plus there is either a winch or massive aluminum drop hitch hanging off the bumper right about the same height as their noggins. Whether your some mental midget trying to pimp 44's on the street or normal height, the truck will win that battle. I stay on high alert when I take that thing in to the city, it takes a loong ways to shut it down.

[sholxgt]

No, its not a SHO/MKS but I had to give up nothing feature wise.

I've driven a Titanium C-Max and it's not bad, but I wouldn't say it has the same features.

Off the top of my head, the C-Max doesn't have:
Cooled seats
heated steering wheel
power adjusted steering wheel
adaptive cruise control
adaptive headlights

There are more, but that's a few differences. 

[Gjkrisa]

List of alternatives of Ford cars
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