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please help me understand what the crap is going on? (wastegates) : Resolved!!!

Started by TopherSho, January 28, 2018, 12:11:03 PM

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TopherSho

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 01, 2018, 06:32:24 PM
What I don't understand is why the tune revision is different.

I have no preloaded tunes on my device (or are they still there and locked?)

I deleted all the preinstalled tunes pretty much day 1.. as a tech guy i know these things have little rom/ram space so clearing out preloads makes more room for logging longer periods when only on the hand held

I have no idea what is up with my car tbh.  i just finished driving home on the adaptive reset and new tune.  it feel 'rough' .. im letting it sit for 30 minutes then i will drive it more to start getting the OAR back to .96
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: TopherSho on February 01, 2018, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 01, 2018, 06:32:24 PM
What I don't understand is why the tune revision is different.

I have no preloaded tunes on my device (or are they still there and locked?)

I deleted all the preinstalled tunes pretty much day 1.. as a tech guy i know these things have little rom/ram space so clearing out preloads makes more room for logging longer periods when only on the hand held

I have no idea what is up with my car tbh.  i just finished driving home on the adaptive reset and new tune.  it feel 'rough' .. im letting it sit for 30 minutes then i will drive it more to start getting the OAR back to .96
You can force OAR by locking in a higher gear and then slowly accelerating till you see -4. Every time you do that you will see OAR increase. I did it in a 5 minute drive off a fresh flash last night. Hit .96 right before I got on highway.

ZSHO

Quote from: polskifacet on February 01, 2018, 05:47:34 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on February 01, 2018, 10:51:25 AM
Agreed with SBS! FWIW you can always find a used PCM on Ebay for fairly cheap which is the (Brain) of the vehicle and just have it programmed @ the Dealer if that's the case!!!
What's your VIN Number?  I'm presume it's an earlier build Job 1 ?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p4712.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X.TRS0&_nkw=%09BA5Z-12A650-PD&_sacat=0

Don't mean to thread jack****
Z the cost of the PCM has caught my interest its around $80. Would you know the cost of reprogramming it @ a dealer?
Sorry for the late reply but the Forum appears to be quite slow for some reason! Dunno! But glad FoMoCo came to the rescue!  Z  :)


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StealBlueSho

^^^^^I do this every time I flash...

You don't have to lock the gear... just get upto speed in 6th gear and press the accelerator until you see then KR dropping to -4 without the car downshifting. Then let up once you hit -4...


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FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: stealbluesho on February 01, 2018, 06:56:19 PM
^^^^^I do this every time I flash...

You don't have to lock the gear... just get upto speed in 6th gear and press the accelerator until you see then KR dropping to -4 without the car downshifting. Then let up once you hit -4...


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I lock the gear so it can't downshift.


StealBlueSho

Yea... that's more work... Having to shift to M...hit the rinky dinky paddle... then shift back to D.... ain't got time for that...


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AJP turbo

I looked at the trans log and I don't normally look at most of the items you logged so I'm not sure they are telling us anything...I thought the misfires you mentioned were a big blip in the log which usually indicates a disruption in the data stream while logging and not a big deal.

But your's were steadily recording misfires, that is the first time I  have ever seen that in a log. It's looks legit.

I know you haven't had flywheel or torque converter work. ANd I'm not sure about any driveline work but if something is off in the rotational parts sometimes that can throw off the crank sensor readings...This is a long shot. But using your X4 you can do a "crank relearn procedure" I have never done it with the X4 but that can help with misfires with the ford logic

It's kind of complicated but the crank sensor is expecting to see certain rate of speed depending on conditions and if it doesn't it can record misfires and make the car run rough...You should do the procedure.
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Tuning in progress

StealBlueSho

Pull plugs and check then, compression test maybe a good thing as well..


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TopherSho

Quote from: AJP turbo on February 02, 2018, 10:14:05 AM
I looked at the trans log and I don't normally look at most of the items you logged so I'm not sure they are telling us anything...I thought the misfires you mentioned were a big blip in the log which usually indicates a disruption in the data stream while logging and not a big deal.

But your's were steadily recording misfires, that is the first time I  have ever seen that in a log. It's looks legit.

I know you haven't had flywheel or torque converter work. ANd I'm not sure about any driveline work but if something is off in the rotational parts sometimes that can throw off the crank sensor readings...This is a long shot. But using your X4 you can do a "crank relearn procedure" I have never done it with the X4 but that can help with misfires with the ford logic

It's kind of complicated but the crank sensor is expecting to see certain rate of speed depending on conditions and if it doesn't it can record misfires and make the car run rough...You should do the procedure.

Update : still sputtering .. stalling after applying new update

Can you think of a reason it would NOT log the misfires on the other two CFG files from you and Torrie?  that's whats making me all itchy atm .. but i will pull the front three plugs after i get replacement boots.

i may make a new CFg file again and just import a few standard things and see if the misfire is a fluke on THAT cfg file i built. make sure this is not a false flag ..

New question HOW dependent is my tune on the gap being .28 ?  I do not expect that my current gap is bad,  but i will need to gap the new plugs myself and i suck at it.

I will also do tghe crank relearn,  no work has been done in the engine, but i may start hitting it with a sledgehammer in a few more days.

today's experiment will be to load the tank with 50$ of 97 octane.  if it get way better the spark plug idea gains a bunch of merrit.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

AJP turbo

No idea why one config would show misfires....Best thing is to validate all items in livelink so it talks to your car.

The plug gap really shouldn't matter as long as it's close to .030" I used stock plug gaps on my SHO...It's my belief that very early on in the tuning with the Ecoboosts their was little knowledge on the tuning and bad tuning going on and the perceived misfires were a result of improper tuning...Throttle closures and knock made the cars feel like power was being cut. People ran with the idea that plugs were necessary and people that sell plugs loved it as well....The ignition systems are strong in these cars....Now cooler plugs are beneficial.

I don't know that the 97 oct in necessary...You Knock retard is fine
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Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

StealBlueSho

#130
Skip the 97 octane... waste of money... if you are worried about knock turn on your meth injection. That will do just as good as 97 octane.

Make sure you have a feeler gauge as opposed to those crap disc gappers which don't work well. Motorcraft SP-534 come pre gapped at .030. I have gone through 12 of those plugs and every single one was gapped correctly out of the box.

I would inspect your plugs before buying new ones IMHO...

Also pick up some dielectric grease... you can put a small dab of that inside the boot where spark plug goes inside... that will save you later needing new boots every time you replace the plugs...



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ZSHO

Check the Porcelain part of the Spark plugs which are prone to cracking especially on the F-150 platform!
I guess the COP where changed correct?  CAC (intercooler) checked ?  Z

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TopherSho

Quote from: AJP turbo on February 02, 2018, 12:07:07 PM
No idea why one config would show misfires....Best thing is to validate all items in livelink so it talks to your car.

I don't know that the 97 oct in necessary...You Knock retard is fine

yeah this misfire log is from a config file i created doing just that.  i will create a new one with the regular things and re-validate again.  you saw weirdness in one of my knock logs so i think i need to make sure it is not a fluke.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

TopherSho

Sadly i have no meth.   it would be the same amount of money to buy a can so i will try the 97 gas as a standby.  I may drive the tank almost dry and get a few gallons less.

2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

StealBlueSho

Use window washer fluid...


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