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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2018, 06:57:38 AM »
Low oil light/warning came on after we pulled over and tried to restart the car. But damage was already done by then. I had no reason to believe it was low or anything because Sanderson Ford did the oil change the day before we left. I usually do the oil changes but the only reason I chose dealer for this one was so they could do the inspection and potentially flag any other issues.
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2018, 07:02:17 AM »
How did a possible leaky injector change into a blown motor ... wow!  Pretty sure the oil change was not done correctly.  If it was an internal engine issue lots of bells and whistles would have gone off.
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2018, 07:15:21 AM »
That's what I am saying. Lol. Pretty sure the two are not related. Only info I have right now is that oil is all over the undercarriage and passenger side and that it looks like oil is coming from the turbos too. They haven't been able to pin point exactly where or what caused the failure. I am just going off what the service adviser told me this morning. He is supposed to send me pictures some time today.

Right now it is a lot of back and forth between the ford dealership in Kerrville and the one here. The service adviser and tech working on my car are both leaning heavily towards something that the ford dealership did here either with the oil change or the ton of work I had about 6 months ago.
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2018, 07:33:04 AM »
fingers x'ed for ya, man.
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2018, 08:07:21 AM »
Me too. It is basically going to come down to 2 options:

1. It was an issue caused by recent work (oil change or turbos/timing chain) and Sanderson Ford will end up covering the 2 nights of hotel, towing, car rental for the trip, courtesy vehicle or rental car for time of repair now that I am back home and to either have my car shipped back to AZ or fly me out to San Antonio.

2. It will all go through the warranty. Not sure if they will reimburse for the tow but they should cover the rental vehicle for the trip and hotel. Would still need to see where I stand with everything with them. Warranty will cover a good chunk of a new engine replacement but I would imagine the cost would be less than $1k to me. Plus some other variables.

It all depends on what the root cause of the issue is. Either way, I know the next few weeks are going to be a massive headache with all the back and forth and this and that.
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2018, 08:25:59 AM »
Here is a link to my Onedrive. These are the pictures that he sent me.

https://1drv.ms/f/s!AhDKFWmaypTz7AH0n3JvfxMoxAfs
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2018, 09:42:02 AM »
Yeah this is looking more like a timing chain issue... Especially considering the issues you were having recently and the coolant leaking underneath the timing cover. Did they verify that there was actually no oil? The dipstick will read nothing if it's even only maybe 2 quarts low... Looks like in the pic they still have the drain plug on the pan.
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #37 on: March 30, 2018, 10:27:49 AM »
They said there was about a quart. So it wasn't COMPLETELY dry.
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #38 on: March 30, 2018, 10:59:46 AM »
Well then fill it up and be on your way.  Quit whining.  LOL
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #39 on: March 30, 2018, 12:24:06 PM »
LMAO. I wish I could. I told my wife this is why she isn't allowed to drive that car. Always has the worst luck with it.
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2018, 08:08:05 AM »
Small Update:

They still haven't begun tear down of the motor yet. Been 2 weeks now. Said i might be torn apart by Wednesday/Thursday.

I contacted the service manager at the dealership here in town that did the work. He was able to tell me that the oil was leaking from the turbos. So they are even leaning that it has something to do with all the work they did. But until they actually find the point of failure, I am stuck here waiting. I did explain to him that the car is 1000+ miles away and that in the 2 weeks that they have had it, they have only been able to tell me it lost majority of the oil, it barely got on a lift and still waiting until sometime later this week before they can pull the motor and do the tear down. The service manager advised me to get with a service adviser at the dealership here and see if they can get me in to a loaner vehicle or to pay for a rental through Enterprise. And after explaining the amount of time this has already taken and circumstances, he told me to see if the service adviser here will get in contact with the Ford rep for that region to put some urgency to the situation or to try and help out.

He also mentioned that if it is directly related to this dealership's work, it would be covered under the consequential warranty of the service/parts. Does anyone have any info to what all entails in that warranty? I know it will cover the parts and labor but I have no idea if it would extend to the rental car and hotel I had to get because of the situation. Just trying to be realistic with it. He mentioned the service adviser would know more of the specifics of the warranty but I thought maybe someone here would know more about it.
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #41 on: April 08, 2018, 12:39:17 PM »
Im suspecting coils due to the age
This was my first thought. But mileage may have more to do with it than age. 
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2018, 04:52:41 PM »
Not sure if the consequential warranty will cover rental/hotel as standard, but dealership mgmt should be able to make that accommodation I would think.  Customer service and all.
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2018, 07:06:15 AM »
But the misfire didn't jump cylinders when I swapped the coil on plugs. It came back to the same cylinder.

Really not much miles on the car compared to the standard. I think about 82K.


I believe the same thing. Not sure what the whole scope of that warranty is. I guess I will find out later today.
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Re: Random Misfires 2010 NonPP SHO, Diagnosis -- No Oil in Engine
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2018, 12:19:52 PM »
Another update today.

They finished the teardown and couldn't find anything out of the ordinary. They are claiming that it leaked out from the intake. I call bullshit on that. 6 months with no issues, get an oil change and then run out 13 hours later. That doesn't say anything about my intake leaking to me. I would have noticed something if it was leaking that hard from the intake.

And to top it off, my extended warranty (3rd party) is denying the claim because it was due to lack of lubrication. Another bullshit in my opinion.

I called the service manager at the dealership where all my previous work was done. He even thinks that sounds like bullshit. He gave me the number for Ford Corporate to start a claim and get them involved.

As it sits right now, I am completely Effed all around. I can't pay for it all out of pocket. I plan to call the warranty company later but I know that will be a headache. After both of them, I will have to weigh my options.

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« Last Edit: April 26, 2018, 06:12:47 PM by FoMoCoSHO »
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