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Started by ecoboostsho, December 23, 2017, 07:03:38 PM

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SHOdded

#30
January 02, 2018, 06:43:31 PM
A well thought out plan of action!  Only today, I put a battery tender 3A on my optima red 34, tender said fully charged, solar ba7?said different:  12.09V and 750CCAs.  Ummm NO.  So charging it out of the car with an intelligent charger is a good choice.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ZSHO

#31
January 03, 2018, 07:10:02 AM Last Edit: January 03, 2018, 01:27:42 PM by ZSHO
Hmm! Whats the Build date?  Earlier version!! Mine has a 11/12 !
I know there was some earlier issues with the positive battery terminals preventing the modules from falling asleep IIRC!  Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

ecoboostsho

#32
January 03, 2018, 11:19:53 AM
I'll have to check my build date at some point. I charged the battery up and then did the BMS reset with Forscan which definitely worked as my battery age is now zero. State of charge went from 39% to 88% and then rose to 91% overnight on it's own. By the time it got to work it was at 93% so that's a pretty good trend. Will keep monitoring it and see what happens...


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SHOdded

#33
January 03, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
In Forscan, do you see a spot for telling the PCM what type of battery it is?  On some vehicles, you can tell it an AGM battery is installed for example (like the MC ToughMax 65-850).
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ecoboostsho

#34
January 05, 2018, 08:19:04 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on January 03, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
In Forscan, do you see a spot for telling the PCM what type of battery it is?  On some vehicles, you can tell it an AGM battery is installed for example (like the MC ToughMax 65-850).
I do indeed have the toughmax 850 and wasn't aware it was an AGM battery. Found it in Forscan and the BMS reset seems to have detected that it is an AGM battery although the CCA is a bit off...

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Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

SHOdded

#35
January 05, 2018, 08:51:40 PM
The CCA is way off, by about 20%.  Possibly a bad battery?  What is the battery voltage?  Worth adding a bit of distilled water?
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

AJP turbo

#36
January 05, 2018, 09:03:40 PM
How does forscan know what battery is in the car? And I didn't think agm batteries could have water added or even used water?

I really like the forscan thing and the programming people are doing with as built data...we need someone to do some good how to's on it
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ecoboostsho

#37
January 05, 2018, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on January 05, 2018, 09:03:40 PM
How does forscan know what battery is in the car? And I didn't think agm batteries could have water added or even used water?

I really like the forscan thing and the programming people are doing with as built data...we need someone to do some good how to's on it
I don't think Forscan knows it's supposed to be coming out of the BCM. I'm not sure how the car could tell the difference between an AGM battery and lead acid and I don't think I can add water but will check.

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ecoboostsho

#38
January 05, 2018, 09:12:53 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on January 03, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
In Forscan, do you see a spot for telling the PCM what type of battery it is?  On some vehicles, you can tell it an AGM battery is installed for example (like the MC ToughMax 65-850).
Did some quick research and I'm not sure the BXT-850 from Motorcraft is AGM from what I'm reading? Any chance you have a link showing it is?

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Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

ZSHO

#39
January 05, 2018, 09:51:46 PM
Quote from: ecoboostsho on January 05, 2018, 09:12:53 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on January 03, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
In Forscan, do you see a spot for telling the PCM what type of battery it is?  On some vehicles, you can tell it an AGM battery is installed for example (like the MC ToughMax 65-850).
Did some quick research and I'm not sure the BXT-850 from Motorcraft is AGM from what I'm reading? Any chance you have a link showing it is?

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It should read AGM IIRC!  Z

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2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

jbeez

#40
January 06, 2018, 03:16:07 PM
Quote from: ecoboostsho on January 05, 2018, 08:19:04 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on January 03, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
In Forscan, do you see a spot for telling the PCM what type of battery it is?  On some vehicles, you can tell it an AGM battery is installed for example (like the MC ToughMax 65-850).
I do indeed have the toughmax 850 and wasn't aware it was an AGM battery. Found it in Forscan and the BMS reset seems to have detected that it is an AGM battery although the CCA is a bit off...

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I thought the type of battery is programmed in with an IDS or forscan, not learned. I still stand by the notion of disabling the BMS so you stop beating batteries up :)
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SHOdded

#41
January 06, 2018, 03:32:23 PM
Good idea.  Although, AGM batteries charge differently than SLA batteries, so might actually be an advantage if the BMS is working correctly.  IDK.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ecoboostsho

#42
January 06, 2018, 04:00:33 PM
Quote from: jbeez on January 06, 2018, 03:16:07 PM
Quote from: ecoboostsho on January 05, 2018, 08:19:04 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on January 03, 2018, 03:33:32 PM
In Forscan, do you see a spot for telling the PCM what type of battery it is?  On some vehicles, you can tell it an AGM battery is installed for example (like the MC ToughMax 65-850).
I do indeed have the toughmax 850 and wasn't aware it was an AGM battery. Found it in Forscan and the BMS reset seems to have detected that it is an AGM battery although the CCA is a bit off...

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I thought the type of battery is programmed in with an IDS or forscan, not learned. I still stand by the notion of disabling the BMS so you stop beating batteries up :)
I couldn't find anyplace in Forscan to set the battery type. The write capabilities on the BCM don't show that as a settable item.

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Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

ecoboostsho

#43
January 06, 2018, 04:01:22 PM
I should point out that after the BMS reset I haven't had a reoccurrence of the issue so it may be solved...time will tell!

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