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Started by ddlopes, October 13, 2017, 04:30:47 PM

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ddlopes

October 13, 2017, 04:30:47 PM
So here's my issue. My latest data showed zero cooling and low FRP even though I'm injecting 100% VP Fuel M1 (methanol). I check the system under boost and it's spraying meth as it should. I initially thought the pump failed but during my test the pump worked fine. Then I thought my meth went bad again. So I purchased a new 5 gallon metal can of methanol instead of having them pump 3 gallons of meth into my VP Fuel plastic jug. Apparently after my call to VP they don't recommend storing meth in a plastic container do to moisture issues. So then I drained my tank in the car and refilled it with new meth. I did see some improvement in the cooling. I did several data logs and the cooling is inconsistent at best. There was times where I saw zero cooling effect even though it appears to be spraying. I only say it's spraying because when I'm done data logging I have to add approximately 20-25 oz. of meth back in the tank to fill it up. I always top off the tank with meth prior to data logging. So now my issue remains with no cooling although it appears my meth system is spraying meth. Any one have any ideas to what might be going on...
Here's a couple of logs... Thanks for looking





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2013 SHO P/P mods: EcoPower Parts dual CAI, 3 bar, PPE catted down pipe, SCT X4, 170 degree thermostat, SNOW PERFORMANCE methanol stage 3 with ProMeth staineless steel braided lines, AeroForce gauges, Hot pipes, custom boost activated cutout xpipe, tial bov, Tial Wastegate mod, GH intercooler, MSD coils, AFE throttle spacer, UPR catch can, Rovos Durban wheels, AJP tuned to 389hp and 503trq on mustang dyno

hawkeye93

#1
October 13, 2017, 04:53:34 PM
Check for leaks.  The meth might not be making it into the intake.
2015 Ford Taurus SHO PP 12.219@112.84
PPE catless DP, Gearhead IC, SP-534, Reische 170, 3 bar, hybrid meth system, tunes from Unleashed, Livernois, Brew City Boost & AJP

1965 Ford Mustang Convertible 289 4V/T5Z/3.55
1955 Ford Fairlane Club Sedan 272 4V/Fordomatic

ddlopes

#2
October 13, 2017, 05:44:03 PM
No leaks when I tested it... I wish there was a leak. Easy fix... lol
2013 SHO P/P mods: EcoPower Parts dual CAI, 3 bar, PPE catted down pipe, SCT X4, 170 degree thermostat, SNOW PERFORMANCE methanol stage 3 with ProMeth staineless steel braided lines, AeroForce gauges, Hot pipes, custom boost activated cutout xpipe, tial bov, Tial Wastegate mod, GH intercooler, MSD coils, AFE throttle spacer, UPR catch can, Rovos Durban wheels, AJP tuned to 389hp and 503trq on mustang dyno

ddlopes

#3
October 13, 2017, 06:52:29 PM
I wonder if its possible for the pump to be working intermittently even though the controller states it's injecting meth...
2013 SHO P/P mods: EcoPower Parts dual CAI, 3 bar, PPE catted down pipe, SCT X4, 170 degree thermostat, SNOW PERFORMANCE methanol stage 3 with ProMeth staineless steel braided lines, AeroForce gauges, Hot pipes, custom boost activated cutout xpipe, tial bov, Tial Wastegate mod, GH intercooler, MSD coils, AFE throttle spacer, UPR catch can, Rovos Durban wheels, AJP tuned to 389hp and 503trq on mustang dyno

ZSHO

#4
October 13, 2017, 08:21:07 PM
FCM replaced? Check for any DTC ?  Any odd noises by the HPFP?  Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

ddlopes

#5
October 13, 2017, 08:37:24 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 13, 2017, 08:21:07 PM
FCM replaced? Check for any DTC ?  Any odd noises by the HPFP?  Z

No noises from the hpfp. What do mean by DTC and FCM...
Thank you!
2013 SHO P/P mods: EcoPower Parts dual CAI, 3 bar, PPE catted down pipe, SCT X4, 170 degree thermostat, SNOW PERFORMANCE methanol stage 3 with ProMeth staineless steel braided lines, AeroForce gauges, Hot pipes, custom boost activated cutout xpipe, tial bov, Tial Wastegate mod, GH intercooler, MSD coils, AFE throttle spacer, UPR catch can, Rovos Durban wheels, AJP tuned to 389hp and 503trq on mustang dyno

ZSHO

#6
October 13, 2017, 08:52:21 PM
Quote from: ddlopes on October 13, 2017, 08:37:24 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 13, 2017, 08:21:07 PM
FCM replaced? Check for any DTC ?  Any odd noises by the HPFP?  Z

No noises from the hpfp. What do mean by DTC and FCM...
Thank you!
Fuel pump module replaced?  The LPFP is also a likely culprit.
I meant if there are any codes set, thanks.  Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

Macgyver

#7
October 13, 2017, 09:34:56 PM
How well did it work before and where are your nozzle(s) at?

ddlopes

#8
October 13, 2017, 09:52:40 PM
It was working awesome. Zero knock and it was pulling fuel because of the methanol working perfectly...
2013 SHO P/P mods: EcoPower Parts dual CAI, 3 bar, PPE catted down pipe, SCT X4, 170 degree thermostat, SNOW PERFORMANCE methanol stage 3 with ProMeth staineless steel braided lines, AeroForce gauges, Hot pipes, custom boost activated cutout xpipe, tial bov, Tial Wastegate mod, GH intercooler, MSD coils, AFE throttle spacer, UPR catch can, Rovos Durban wheels, AJP tuned to 389hp and 503trq on mustang dyno

ddlopes

#9
October 13, 2017, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 13, 2017, 08:52:21 PM
Quote from: ddlopes on October 13, 2017, 08:37:24 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 13, 2017, 08:21:07 PM
FCM replaced? Check for any DTC ?  Any odd noises by the HPFP?  Z

No noises from the hpfp. What do mean by DTC and FCM...
Thank you!
Fuel pump module replaced?  The LPFP is also a likely culprit.
I meant if there are any codes set, thanks.  Z

No I haven't done a fcm replacement
2013 SHO P/P mods: EcoPower Parts dual CAI, 3 bar, PPE catted down pipe, SCT X4, 170 degree thermostat, SNOW PERFORMANCE methanol stage 3 with ProMeth staineless steel braided lines, AeroForce gauges, Hot pipes, custom boost activated cutout xpipe, tial bov, Tial Wastegate mod, GH intercooler, MSD coils, AFE throttle spacer, UPR catch can, Rovos Durban wheels, AJP tuned to 389hp and 503trq on mustang dyno

Macgyver

#10
October 14, 2017, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: ddlopes on October 13, 2017, 09:52:40 PM
It was working awesome. Zero knock and it was pulling fuel because of the methanol working perfectly...

Well thats good to a certain extent.

AJP turbo

#11
October 14, 2017, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: Macgyver on October 14, 2017, 01:45:03 AM
Quote from: ddlopes on October 13, 2017, 09:52:40 PM
It was working awesome. Zero knock and it was pulling fuel because of the methanol working perfectly...

Well thats good to a certain extent.

Why is that good "to a certain extent"?
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

ZSHO

#12
October 14, 2017, 04:45:16 PM Last Edit: October 14, 2017, 04:48:40 PM by ZSHO
FWIW there is a recall on the (FCM) and see if your vehicle is affected to see if it helps your symptoms.  Z

PDF Below

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JUL90DXgdiaWxocmdhUnEteTdQbmdTbDJzU3BKLXpFZzQw/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JUL90DXgdiaWxocmdhUnEteTdQbmdTbDJzU3BKLXpFZzQw/view


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

StealBlueSho

#13
October 14, 2017, 06:17:46 PM
Your fuel trims suggest that your pump is not spraying correctly. Your STFT dont look like they are pulling fuel until 3rd gear.. would make sense with what you are seeing.. fuel pressure dropping because there is not enough being sprayed...

probably gonna blow your sh!t up...

ddlopes

#14
October 14, 2017, 06:43:01 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 14, 2017, 04:45:16 PM
FWIW there is a recall on the (FCM) and see if your vehicle is affected to see if it helps your symptoms.  Z

PDF Below

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JUL90DXgdiaWxocmdhUnEteTdQbmdTbDJzU3BKLXpFZzQw/view

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8JUL90DXgdiaWxocmdhUnEteTdQbmdTbDJzU3BKLXpFZzQw/view


Thanks !!!! I'll check it out for sure....
2013 SHO P/P mods: EcoPower Parts dual CAI, 3 bar, PPE catted down pipe, SCT X4, 170 degree thermostat, SNOW PERFORMANCE methanol stage 3 with ProMeth staineless steel braided lines, AeroForce gauges, Hot pipes, custom boost activated cutout xpipe, tial bov, Tial Wastegate mod, GH intercooler, MSD coils, AFE throttle spacer, UPR catch can, Rovos Durban wheels, AJP tuned to 389hp and 503trq on mustang dyno
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