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Hey SBS! I am thinking of meth for intake cooling.. need your suggestions

Started by TopherSho, June 15, 2017, 02:10:35 PM

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TopherSho

Stage 1 is 350,  that was my initial plan for a static spray volume..  still  pondering.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

TopherSho

Where is everyone mounting their tanks and pumps?  I crawled under mine last night and i can see space to install it if it tear half my front end off.. but he pump and cabling need space as well and i am not sure where i'd plant it all.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

lamrith

Quote from: TopherSho on June 16, 2017, 10:30:39 AM
Where is everyone mounting their tanks and pumps?  I crawled under mine last night and i can see space to install it if it tear half my front end off.. but the pump and cabling need space as well and i am not sure where i'd plant it all.
Yeah it seems daunting, but from youtube and threads here removing the bumper cover is not that difficult from what I can tell...

Lot of guys seem to use the windshield washer tank as their meth tank.  Some share duty with WW, some retask the meth kit tank as the WW tank.  Lot depends on %meth and personal preference.  Over 50% I think can be harmful to paint/wipers??

I would think if planning use the WW tank as meth and not running 100% then maybe using a pair of hoses to link the two tanks together would be a way to increase overall volume on a budget.  Make the Sow tank a piggyback tank as it were.  Mount the Snow tank so that the bottom of it is above bottom of the stock tank.  Run a line from bottom of SNOW tank to near bottom of the stock tank using a grommet in stock tank.  Then run a line from top half of snow tank to top of the stock tank.  Maybe even have the connection on the stock tank higher than the snow tank to help purge air.  This way when you fill the main tank, the fluid will also fill over into the snow tank, increasing total capacity...

Crappy picture attached of what I tried to esplain...
'13 Sho PP, SCT x4, AJP 92-Octane rev6 (14psi&20spark) NGK 6510, 3Bar, K&N CAI, PPE Catted DP, Dynomax Axleback, 20*9.5 Voxx Lago w/ 275/40-20 GMAX AS-05.

TopherSho

Quote from: lamrith on June 16, 2017, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 16, 2017, 10:30:39 AM
Where is everyone mounting their tanks and pumps?  I crawled under mine last night and i can see space to install it if it tear half my front end off.. but the pump and cabling need space as well and i am not sure where i'd plant it all.
Yeah it seems daunting, but from youtube and threads here removing the bumper cover is not that difficult from what I can tell...

Lot of guys seem to use the windshield washer tank as their meth tank.  Some share duty with WW, some retask the meth kit tank as the WW tank.  Lot depends on %meth and personal preference.  Over 50% I think can be harmful to paint/wipers??

I would think if planning use the WW tank as meth and not running 100% then maybe using a pair of hoses to link the two tanks together would be a way to increase overall volume on a budget.  Make the Sow tank a piggyback tank as it were.  Mount the Snow tank so that the bottom of it is above bottom of the stock tank.  Run a line from bottom of SNOW tank to near bottom of the stock tank using a grommet in stock tank.  Then run a line from top half of snow tank to top of the stock tank.  Maybe even have the connection on the stock tank higher than the snow tank to help purge air.  This way when you fill the main tank, the fluid will also fill over into the snow tank, increasing total capacity...

Crappy picture attached of what I tried to esplain...

How do you plan on filling it in the fender? Are you going to neck it?
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

lamrith

Quote from: TopherSho on June 16, 2017, 12:35:39 PM
Quote from: lamrith on June 16, 2017, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 16, 2017, 10:30:39 AM
Where is everyone mounting their tanks and pumps?  I crawled under mine last night and i can see space to install it if it tear half my front end off.. but the pump and cabling need space as well and i am not sure where i'd plant it all.
Yeah it seems daunting, but from youtube and threads here removing the bumper cover is not that difficult from what I can tell...

Lot of guys seem to use the windshield washer tank as their meth tank.  Some share duty with WW, some retask the meth kit tank as the WW tank.  Lot depends on %meth and personal preference.  Over 50% I think can be harmful to paint/wipers??

I would think if planning use the WW tank as meth and not running 100% then maybe using a pair of hoses to link the two tanks together would be a way to increase overall volume on a budget.  Make the Sow tank a piggyback tank as it were.  Mount the Snow tank so that the bottom of it is above bottom of the stock tank.  Run a line from bottom of SNOW tank to near bottom of the stock tank using a grommet in stock tank.  Then run a line from top half of snow tank to top of the stock tank.  Maybe even have the connection on the stock tank higher than the snow tank to help purge air.  This way when you fill the main tank, the fluid will also fill over into the snow tank, increasing total capacity...

Crappy picture attached of what I tried to esplain...

How do you plan on filling it in the fender? Are you going to neck it?
Linking like I put in picture, I would not need to fill it in fender.

In terms of running separate systems I am still working out how I want to do it.  I am scouring the net looking at other tank options that might be adaptable.  Remote fill necks, OEM tanks that might fit, etc, etc...  Will advise once I figure something out.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/192129527431?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
'13 Sho PP, SCT x4, AJP 92-Octane rev6 (14psi&20spark) NGK 6510, 3Bar, K&N CAI, PPE Catted DP, Dynomax Axleback, 20*9.5 Voxx Lago w/ 275/40-20 GMAX AS-05.

TopherSho

Quote from: lamrith on June 16, 2017, 12:39:14 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 16, 2017, 12:35:39 PM
Quote from: lamrith on June 16, 2017, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 16, 2017, 10:30:39 AM
Where is everyone mounting their tanks and pumps?  I crawled under mine last night and i can see space to install it if it tear half my front end off.. but the pump and cabling need space as well and i am not sure where i'd plant it all.
Yeah it seems daunting, but from youtube and threads here removing the bumper cover is not that difficult from what I can tell...

Lot of guys seem to use the windshield washer tank as their meth tank.  Some share duty with WW, some retask the meth kit tank as the WW tank.  Lot depends on %meth and personal preference.  Over 50% I think can be harmful to paint/wipers??

I would think if planning use the WW tank as meth and not running 100% then maybe using a pair of hoses to link the two tanks together would be a way to increase overall volume on a budget.  Make the Sow tank a piggyback tank as it were.  Mount the Snow tank so that the bottom of it is above bottom of the stock tank.  Run a line from bottom of SNOW tank to near bottom of the stock tank using a grommet in stock tank.  Then run a line from top half of snow tank to top of the stock tank.  Maybe even have the connection on the stock tank higher than the snow tank to help purge air.  This way when you fill the main tank, the fluid will also fill over into the snow tank, increasing total capacity...

Crappy picture attached of what I tried to esplain...

How do you plan on filling it in the fender? Are you going to neck it?
Linking like I put in picture, I would not need to fill it in fender.

In terms of running separate systems I am still working out how I want to do it.  I am scouring the net looking at other tank options that might be adaptable.  Remote fill necks, OEM tanks that might fit, etc, etc...  Will advise once I figure something out.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/192129527431?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I know there is TONS of room in front of the AC H.E. but it would make the juice hot.   my thought is to remote mount in a cooler space..  colder juice,  slightly better cooling properties on evap.

2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

TopherSho

Quote from: TopherSho on June 16, 2017, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: lamrith on June 16, 2017, 12:39:14 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 16, 2017, 12:35:39 PM
Quote from: lamrith on June 16, 2017, 12:17:34 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 16, 2017, 10:30:39 AM
Where is everyone mounting their tanks and pumps?  I crawled under mine last night and i can see space to install it if it tear half my front end off.. but the pump and cabling need space as well and i am not sure where i'd plant it all.
Yeah it seems daunting, but from youtube and threads here removing the bumper cover is not that difficult from what I can tell...

Lot of guys seem to use the windshield washer tank as their meth tank.  Some share duty with WW, some retask the meth kit tank as the WW tank.  Lot depends on %meth and personal preference.  Over 50% I think can be harmful to paint/wipers??

I would think if planning use the WW tank as meth and not running 100% then maybe using a pair of hoses to link the two tanks together would be a way to increase overall volume on a budget.  Make the Sow tank a piggyback tank as it were.  Mount the Snow tank so that the bottom of it is above bottom of the stock tank.  Run a line from bottom of SNOW tank to near bottom of the stock tank using a grommet in stock tank.  Then run a line from top half of snow tank to top of the stock tank.  Maybe even have the connection on the stock tank higher than the snow tank to help purge air.  This way when you fill the main tank, the fluid will also fill over into the snow tank, increasing total capacity...

Crappy picture attached of what I tried to esplain...

How do you plan on filling it in the fender? Are you going to neck it?
Linking like I put in picture, I would not need to fill it in fender.

In terms of running separate systems I am still working out how I want to do it.  I am scouring the net looking at other tank options that might be adaptable.  Remote fill necks, OEM tanks that might fit, etc, etc...  Will advise once I figure something out.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/192129527431?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I know there is TONS of room in front of the AC H.E. but it would make the juice hot.   my thought is to remote mount in a cooler space..  colder juice,  slightly better cooling properties on evap.

... in fact if remote install can be in the trunk I might toy with quick disconnects and a second tank (wait for it) ... in a small sytrofoam ice cooler with salted ice.  Crazy!?
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

lamrith

Quote from: TopherSho on June 16, 2017, 12:54:01 PM
I know there is TONS of room in front of the AC H.E. but it would make the juice hot.   my thought is to remote mount in a cooler space..  colder juice,  slightly better cooling properties on evap.
My goal is to put on drivers side in front of wheel, just like the stock is on the passenger side.  maybe move the horns inboard where they mount to make more room.  Pump would go there too depending on tank setup.
'13 Sho PP, SCT x4, AJP 92-Octane rev6 (14psi&20spark) NGK 6510, 3Bar, K&N CAI, PPE Catted DP, Dynomax Axleback, 20*9.5 Voxx Lago w/ 275/40-20 GMAX AS-05.

TopherSho

Quote from: lamrith on June 16, 2017, 01:18:41 PM
Quote from: TopherSho on June 16, 2017, 12:54:01 PM
I know there is TONS of room in front of the AC H.E. but it would make the juice hot.   my thought is to remote mount in a cooler space..  colder juice,  slightly better cooling properties on evap.
My goal is to put on drivers side in front of wheel, just like the stock is on the passenger side.  maybe move the horns inboard where they mount to make more room.  Pump would go there too depending on tank setup.

My only fear of this is serviceability.   if I need to service the tank, i have to unpin the front of the car :(.  not exactly a roadside fixable.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

TopherSho

Am I crazy? I just got quoted 250$/hour labor from a local speedshop.  That seems very @@##ing high to me.
2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

polskifacet

http://www.turbomirage.com/water.html

Lots of info there. Just for cooling you don't need anything crazy. DIY Kit is probably $150.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

ZSHO

@-TopherSho it seems that your primary goal is to lower under-hood temps which can easily be ascertained by installing a lower temp Stat such as a Reische 170-Stat for starter's and proceed from there!!. Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

TopherSho

Quote from: ZSHO on June 16, 2017, 04:14:32 PM
@-TopherSho it seems that your primary goal is to lower under-hood temps which can easily be ascertained by installing a lower temp Stat such as a Reische 170-Stat for starter's and proceed from there!!. Z

Did that about w weeks ago :).   However it does not help keep the IAT2 under 160.   If i'm idle in my drive way or in the lanes before lineup it creeps right back up.

It did however help with return lane temps,  and the lowered fan-temp does keep it cooler than the 170F i was seeing.

2010 non-pp, 98k miles, 3-bar,  .026 plugs, SNOW-KIT STG1, AJPTurbu tune#35, 15.5+psi
Best 0-60 public road 4.35s
Best 1/4 of 12.61 no DA correction

polskifacet

You probably don't even need meth, water would do. Mixed opinions on using blue washer fluid but again for cooling alone, it's really not rocket science.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

ZSHO

Quote from: TopherSho on June 16, 2017, 04:21:07 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on June 16, 2017, 04:14:32 PM
@-TopherSho it seems that your primary goal is to lower under-hood temps which can easily be ascertained by installing a lower temp Stat such as a Reische 170-Stat for starter's and proceed from there!!. Z

Did that about w weeks ago :).   However it does not help keep the IAT2 under 160.   If i'm idle in my drive way or in the lanes before lineup it creeps right back up.

It did however help with return lane temps,  and the lowered fan-temp does keep it cooler than the 170F i was seeing.
Due update your signature . FYI 250.00 an hr from a local Speed shop is absolute B.S.(Highway Robbery)
I think 80.00-100.00 an hour is the average going rate IMO. Z


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|