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MPG drop using Cruise control on Ecoboost engines?

Started by Scott13SHO, July 29, 2013, 09:05:04 AM

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Scott13SHO

Not exactly the most scientific testing in the world, but had me wondering after my dad mentioned it to me when they came down this past weekend.

Example 1:

My 2013 SHO has about 6700 miles on it and I've been back and forth to NJ from MD (about 135 miles one way) quite a few times with the cruse control set at 75-80 MPH. I'll get out of the gas station right before getting onto I-95 and reset my MPG reading on MFT when I hit the highway. I know when you do this at first you get an inflated number then it settles down into the proper MPG range. Well when I do this in the SHO, it reads about 27 MPG (a bit higher then the MPG ratings) then for the next 75 miles, it keeps dropping and dropping till it settles out at anywhere from 20-21 MPG, which is quite a bit lower then EPA ratings of 25 MPG, which I've only been able once to hit with the car. I get about the same MPG ratings for the car driving around town. I releaze that the Ecoboost engines are throttle sensitive (if I gun it I can kill the MPG by at least 2)...but I can't figure out why it keeps dropping MPG with the cruise enabled.

On two non-ecoboost engines making the same trip, a 4.6L V8 with nearly 120K miles and a 3.0L V6/AWD with 95K miles on it, doing the same trip, they will start reporting higher mileage, then only maybe drop a MPG or two and not go lower till you start doing around town driving and getting their MPG ratings or even better doing the same drive.

Example 2:

My parents have a '13 Escape Ti with a FWD 2L Ecoboost engine in it. They drove down to my place, and more or less did the same thing I did...got gas, reset the MPG counter and drove down doing 70 MPH using the cruise control. My dad reported getting about 29 MPG at first, then by the time he got to my place, he was only avg about 24 MPG. They didn't hit any major traffic or anything, nor where they using the AC, which my dad says has a major impact on his MPG's with the Escape (and I get most other 4 cyc engines)...he also made it a point to drive very conservatively to get the most out of his MPGs also. The only issue I think he might have is he only has 3500 miles on his Escape, so it could be still breaking in.

Has anyone else ran into a issue like this with their Ecoboost engine? I know the MPG counter in the dash isn't the most accurate thing in the world, but getting 20-25% less then what the EPA MPG estimates is a bit disconcerting.
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PopolZ

The EPA ratings are tested on a dyno, not in real world conditions and they're not averaging 75-80mph but 50 mph.
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Larrylu

With my '10 non PP I get consistent 20 to 21 mpg. In my everyday suburban mostly short haul driving. I have calculated manually on fill ups and using the car computer and Torque.  All are very close.  A couple of years ago when the SHO was new to me (18K) I took a trip from Albany to Indy and back. I averaged over 29 mpg. overall for the 1600 mi. including a little running around while we were in Indy. I've since added a tune (LMS 4+) and I don't think that's helped me but I don't think it's hurt much either. I punch the throttle every now and then cause it's so much fun, but mostly I drive it easy and smooth.
2010 Loaded, Non PP, Steel Blue Metallic, Livernois Stage 4+, Blacked out grill, Nexus 7 Tablet running Torque Pro

bpd1151

Stop reseting it every time you fill up.

The longer you leave it (w/o reseting it) the more accurate i've noticed it is, at least for me that is.

Whenever I reset it like you're describing, i've found it to not necessarily be inaccurate mind you, but the numbers do tend to "bounce" around quite a bit more.

Essentially, it's taking a snap shot of your mileage from a shorter duration, than had you just left it alone, and not reset it.

I usually average around 24.2-24.9 (contingent on grade of the road travelled) doing 75-80MPH w/CC activated.

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Scott13SHO

Bpd,

Where u resetting it at? I reset it at the trip display when I fill it up and I can reset it separately using the MPG settings at 5-10-30 minute intervals. I also track my mileage using fuelly and my trip MPG # and what I figure out manually with fuelly are nearly identical to one another.

My trip MPG goes down (only reset when I fill up) and the 5 minute MPG readings can be all over the place but more less average out with the trip MPG indicator


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bpd1151


Scott13SHO

Quote from: bpd1151 on July 29, 2013, 10:17:35 AM
I DON'T (reset it). That was my point.

I don't reset my trip 2 MPG and its still at 20 MPG or so since I got the car. I've found out that its more accurate if you DO reset the trip computer. The MPG readings are set to polling time, which are only accurate for the time period they are doing the polling from.

I've also done with this with other Ford products and the reset of the trip computer each time you fill up...
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Brucelinc

Scott, your highway mileage seems really low to me.  Assuming you are running in 6th gear, without a stiff headwind and on generally level terrain, you should meet or beat the EPA highway rating.  I always do on my roundtrips from Minneapolis to Des Moines.  High 20s are very common.  I get 21-22 on my daily commute consisting of a mix of freeway and city.  As you say, getting on it reduces the mileage substantially.

Running 75-80 with the 2.77 gear, you will be under 2000 RPM in 6th.  That will deliver much better mileage than around town where you would seldom get into 6th gear. 

bpd1151

I'm sure others will chime in here, that in either scenario, resetting it (or not), both have their degree(s) of inaccuracy.

Your best bet is to use the trusty old calculator and divide your total accrued mileage, from the amount of gallons of fuel you've put in.


Scott13SHO

Quote from: Brucelinc on July 29, 2013, 10:23:49 AM
Scott, your highway mileage seems really low to me.  Assuming you are running in 6th gear, without a stiff headwind and on generally level terrain, you should meet or beat the EPA highway rating.  I always do on my roundtrips from Minneapolis to Des Moines.  High 20s are very common.  I get 21-22 on my daily commute consisting of a mix of freeway and city.  As you say, getting on it reduces the mileage substantially.

Running 75-80 with the 2.77 gear, you will be under 2000 RPM in 6th.  That will deliver much better mileage than around town where you would seldom get into 6th gear. 

I get about 20 MPG around town with my 15 mile commute to work...I do have the performance package which might be hurting the highway mileage to a point.

The car is at the dealership with a CEL for what I'm assuming is a fuel tank sending unit issue, due to the code I was able to pull and the gauge acting wonky on it...kept varying from 1/4 full to 1/2 full then I put 10 gallons in and its still reporting only 1/2 full...hopefully I'll hear something from them this afternoon on what the deal is with that.

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Scott13SHO

Quote from: bpd1151 on July 29, 2013, 10:28:19 AM
I'm sure others will chime in here, that in either scenario, resetting it (or not), both have their degree(s) of inaccuracy.

Your best bet is to use the trusty old calculator and divide your total accrued mileage, from the amount of gallons of fuel you've put in.



I agree with that, I'm using fuelly.com to track my mileage and I'm avg about 20 MPG between around town and driving to NJ a couple times a month. I haven't updated it lately since I had fuel filling issues a few weeks ago and now the CEL on the car

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/scott13sho/taurus


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mjhpadi

Guys, you are making a big mistake taking the computer readings as the true MPG you are getting.  I have been doing it the old fashioned way.  Actually taking miles driven divided by the gallons used.  I have found that this will be very different from what the car is telling you.  The one thing is you must re-fill the tank to same level when you refuel.  It takes a little practice to get the hang of it.  And of course to get a true average, you need to keep records over a period of time.  The longer the better....which of course brings me to Mike's comment about not resetting the computer every time you fill up.
     I believe Mike is correct that the more data you leave in the computer the more accurate reading you will get.  Lastly, I really have not noticed any MPG drop using the cruise (I have the ACC)..I have noticed that I will see a slight increase in MPG when using cruise, even over short cruise miles.  I have experienced this both with the cruise set at 63 mph and at 72 mph.
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Larrylu

Odd thing I've noticed is over the road mileage drops when the road is wet from rain. My theory is that the tires are pushing water and so efficiency drops.
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Brucelinc

I get about 20 MPG around town with my 15 mile commute to work...I do have the performance package which might be hurting the highway mileage to a point.[/quote]

Sorry, Scott...I forgot that you had the performance package with the 3.16 gear.  Your highway mileage will probably not be quite as good as cars without PP.  I still think you should see 25 on the highway under steady cruise conditions, though.

mjhpadi

Quote from: Larrylu on July 29, 2013, 10:35:36 AM
Odd thing I've noticed is over the road mileage drops when the road is wet from rain. My theory is that the tires are pushing water and so efficiency drops.
I think you have a good theory there, but don't foget when the humidity is 100% (when it's raining) there is also less O2 in the air, so fuel doesn't burn as efficiently as when the humidity is lower.  Luckily, I have only driven my car in the rain a handful of times...I so like not having to take it out when the weather is bad!
2010 Candy Red SHO, Livernois Stage 4 Tune, Airaid CAI, Tinted Headlamps & Tails, LED Interior Lighting, LED Running Lights, LED Puddle and License Plate Lamps, LED DRL's, Window Tint, Rear Window Spoiler, V3 Triton Switchback Running Lights, Colgan Bra, Ford Racing Gauges (oil pressure, oil temperature, boost/vacuum)
Replaced by 2020 Hertiage Edition GT-350