2015 PP, full bolt on and E20 Dyno Results

[derfdog15]

Got my car dynod at Fathouse Fab, in Martinsville Indiana today. (http://www.fathousefab.com/services/dyno-tuning/)

1st pull looks a bit funny power wise, compared to the next two, but it was most heatsoaked. 2nd and third pull are pretty close to each other, the first 3 are power pulls.

The last pull, is run with the "stock" tune from AJPTurbo. It had the fuel optimized for my E20 blend, stock BOV DTCs removed, rear O2s disabled/modified for catless downpipes. Also has the fan settings for the 170 thermostat. NO spark or boost modifications. Hows that +100 torque gain?

Average from the two (SAE corrected): 369.4/451.4

Other correction factor numbers were a bit higher, but I like the SAE system.

I can NOT stop smiling, I love it.

Results below, as well as logs.

Wastegate mod was open the full pull (the Dyno appears to put more load on the car) so it could have benefited a bit from a stronger spring pressure. However, it will stay with the current 14.5 wastegate spring, until I get a track time to match, then I may play with it. Of course, at that point, it will be warmer so there will be more margin in the fuel system.





This is STD Correction, you can see the average is a bit higher, 377.5/461.3

Either way you look it, car puts more power down, TO THE WHEELS, than ford claims stock at the flywheel. That is SIGNIFICANT improvement in my book. And the torque at the wheels, is over 100 ft/lb greater than the stock torque at the flywheel.

That is an INSANE gain IMO.

Also, here is the exhaust during the pull

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQlkF54XZ-E

[derfdog15]

Results are in!

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7287.0.html

(SAE corrected): 369.4/451.4

Wastegate mod was open the full pull (the Dyno appears to put more load on the car) so it could have benefited a bit from a stronger spring pressure. However, it will stay with the current 14.5 wastegate spring, until I get a track time to match, then I may play with it. Of course, at that point, it will be warmer so there will be more margin in the fuel system. Currently, the wastegate spring is perfect, on the street, for keeping a bit of margin on the fuel system for safety.

[SHOdded]

Discussion starts here
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7171.msg111088.html#msg111088

[MiWiAu]

derfdog15, I processed your raw data and calculated your "Total Power" increase @ 26.1% over the OE tune! See attached image.

AJP pull 1 looked like an outlier, so I only used AJP pull 2&3 to create an average HP curve and compared that against the numbers you put down with the OE tune. Similar to how I processed my XSport data, I utilized the trapezoid rule @ 10 RPM increments to estimate the area under your HP curves.

Analysis was trimmed at 2900-5990RPM, as data was consistently available for all pulls in this range. I also e-mailed you the Excel file (nothing fancy), so you can see all the formulas I used.

Enjoy!

[StealBlueSho]

I like that low-end increase!!!


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[f8tlSHO]

Results are in!

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7287.0.html

(SAE corrected): 369.4/451.4

Wastegate mod was open the full pull (the Dyno appears to put more load on the car) so it could have benefited a bit from a stronger spring pressure. However, it will stay with the current 14.5 wastegate spring, until I get a track time to match, then I may play with it. Of course, at that point, it will be warmer so there will be more margin in the fuel system. Currently, the wastegate spring is perfect, on the street, for keeping a bit of margin on the fuel system for safety.

If you had a mbc I guess you could have dialed it in to create more power with that "extra" air that was leaking out.


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[derfdog15]

Results are in!

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7287.0.html

(SAE corrected): 369.4/451.4

Wastegate mod was open the full pull (the Dyno appears to put more load on the car) so it could have benefited a bit from a stronger spring pressure. However, it will stay with the current 14.5 wastegate spring, until I get a track time to match, then I may play with it. Of course, at that point, it will be warmer so there will be more margin in the fuel system. Currently, the wastegate spring is perfect, on the street, for keeping a bit of margin on the fuel system for safety.

If you had a mbc I guess you could have dialed it in to create more power with that "extra" air that was leaking out.


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More than likely yes, but unfortunately I didn't have any springs or an MBC with me. Still, it did pretty good for a family sedan, and I am certain it will keep me happy for a long long time.

[f8tlSHO]

Results are in!

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7287.0.html

(SAE corrected): 369.4/451.4

Wastegate mod was open the full pull (the Dyno appears to put more load on the car) so it could have benefited a bit from a stronger spring pressure. However, it will stay with the current 14.5 wastegate spring, until I get a track time to match, then I may play with it. Of course, at that point, it will be warmer so there will be more margin in the fuel system. Currently, the wastegate spring is perfect, on the street, for keeping a bit of margin on the fuel system for safety.

If you had a mbc I guess you could have dialed it in to create more power with that "extra" air that was leaking out.


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More than likely yes, but unfortunately I didn't have any springs or an MBC with me. Still, it did pretty good for a family sedan, and I am certain it will keep me happy for a long long time.

Did very good!! And a big jump all around. Peak hp doesn't mean a thing if your low end is garbage. I always get a good laugh at the v tec motors that make 175hp at 8k and 100ftlb of torque at 7500... and virtually nothing below 4K.. gotta love the power right from the start in these cars. I would like to do a dyno test, with my tune and a stock tune, so I have a comparison. Gotta compare apples to apples.


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[derfdog15]

Did very good!! And a big jump all around. Peak hp doesn't mean a thing if your low end is garbage. I always get a good laugh at the v tec motors that make 175hp at 8k and 100ftlb of torque at 7500... and virtually nothing below 4K.. gotta love the power right from the start in these cars. I would like to do a dyno test, with my tune and a stock tune, so I have a comparison. Gotta compare apples to apples.


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If you can get get dyno time, I am pretty sure Brad will be able to whip you up a "stock tune" like mine, if needed. And I still grin from ear to ear thinking about how it did.

[SHOdded]

Need to keep discussions like this  to their appropriate threads please

[f8tlSHO]

Derf
on your stock tune were you running stock boost? or was it the same boost level just without the added timing?

[derfdog15]

Derf
on your stock tune were you running stock boost? or was it the same boost level just without the added timing?

I believe it was running stock boost, I know the boost commanded was not raised.

Feel free to confirm with the stock log that is attached. Based on the sound of the pull, I was not close to my tuned boost levels, since the gate did not crack at all.

[MiWiAu]

Derf
on your stock tune were you running stock boost? or was it the same boost level just without the added timing?

I believe it was running stock boost, I know the boost commanded was not raised.

Feel free to confirm with the stock log that is attached. Based on the sound of the pull, I was not close to my tuned boost levels, since the gate did not crack at all.

Assuming Brad did the same thing for you that he did for me, it's OE everything (fuel, spark, throttle position, boost). The only changes are slope/intercept for the MAP sensor (to allow 3-Bar MAP) and disabling downshifting in SST (manual) mode.

If that's the case, OE tune would would adjust for the E20 up to the built-in limits set by the manufacturer.

I'm sure AJP Turbo will chime in if this is not the case.


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[derfdog15]

Derf
on your stock tune were you running stock boost? or was it the same boost level just without the added timing?

I believe it was running stock boost, I know the boost commanded was not raised.

Feel free to confirm with the stock log that is attached. Based on the sound of the pull, I was not close to my tuned boost levels, since the gate did not crack at all.

Assuming Brad did the same thing for you that he did for me, it's OE everything (fuel, spark, throttle position, boost). The only changes are slope/intercept for the MAP sensor (to allow 3-Bar MAP) and disabling downshifting in SST (manual) mode.

If that's the case, OE tune would would adjust for the E20 up to the built-in limits set by the manufacturer.

I'm sure AJP Turbo will chime in if this is not the case.


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I know he adjusted the air/fuel to account for E20 as well, so the car wouldnt have to do it on its own. Mine also had whatever adjustment he made to keep from throwing a code for stock BOVs being disconnected, as well as the same for the downpipes (rear O2s).

But other than those few, and the 3 bar/SST it should have been pretty stock.

AJP's base stock tune (on his car, stock tune, with 2 bar, and the downpipes and CAI) had almost identical results as well when compared.

Here is the post regarding that:
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,7171.msg111287.html#msg111287

Pretty consistant given two different cars, different days, different ambient conditions (which are corrected for with SAE correction, mine has a correction of 1.01, his has 1.05). He made about 4 more peak HP than I did, I made about 3 more peak torque than him. That is such a small difference I don't even consider is reasonable to say the two pulls are difference, when compared to the total outputs on both of the pulls - making the variance less than 1%

[AJP turbo]

Yep stock boost and spark....the air fuel ratio was stock as well...i just changed it so the ecu knew that e20 was being used but commanded air fuel curves were stock