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AJPTurbo boost regulator mod with EcoPowerParts charge pipes

Started by derfdog15, December 17, 2016, 07:04:19 PM

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f8tlSHO

Here are some pictures of what I have planned, basically ready to put on. Just need to get the 1.5" hose.

Do the name brand wastegates have a loose valve seat? This one does, when you attach the tube to gate it goes in between. Puts a small preload on the valve when you tighten down on it. I guess ones that have a v band wouldn't have a 2 piece design. The valve and seat are leaking a little, pulled it apart so I can lap them together. Some roughness on the seat that is causing it not to seal properly.








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derfdog15

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Looks almost identical on the inside. And yes the valve seat is removable. Make sure you have the longer end inserted, with the actual V-band like portion on the bottom so that it sits against the other pipe when mounted, that way when you tighten the flange it is pushed in and creates a seal.

Looking at your first two pictures it appears your flanges are not identical? Possibly only one direction of install works and it is reversed? That looks to be why you have a leak. May need to grind the welds and flip the flange on your dump pipe by 180 degrees. TO check if that is the case, try and flip the wastegate connection in the current configuration.
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f8tlSHO

Quote from: derfdog15 on January 07, 2017, 05:58:01 PM
Looks almost identical on the inside. And yes the valve seat is removable. Make sure you have the longer end inserted, with the actual V-band like portion on the bottom so that it sits against the other pipe when mounted, that way when you tighten the flange it is pushed in and creates a seal.

Looking at your first two pictures it appears your flanges are not identical? Possibly only one direction of install works and it is reversed? That looks to be why you have a leak. May need to grind the welds and flip the flange on your dump pipe by 180 degrees. TO check if that is the case, try and flip the wastegate connection in the current configuration.
The seat has burrs on it, when you hold it up to the light you can see where the valve is sitting on the burrs.


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f8tlSHO


Look at all of the little bumps on the seat, that is what is keeping it from sealing. That's the thing with the China made stuff. U may have to do the finish work cause they don't spend the time doing it. De burring  and this sort of thing


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Now tuned by ajp...looking to go faster
E30 tune on14psi full weight including 2 child seats,race like a real street car.
12.433 @110.8 140's IAT; Mustang Dyno 332hp / 386tq

derfdog15

Quote from: f8tlSHO on January 07, 2017, 06:18:37 PM

Look at all of the little bumps on the seat, that is what is keeping it from sealing. That's the thing with the China made stuff. U may have to do the finish work cause they don't spend the time doing it. De burring  and this sort of thing


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Gotcha, well good luck with it, I guess I payed a price for the convenience of not having to do anything other than weld my pipes.

Do keep us updated!
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StealBlueSho

Interesting... my wastegate was flawless...


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f8tlSHO

Quote from: StealBlueSho on January 07, 2017, 07:48:35 PM
Interesting... my wastegate was flawless...


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I bought this one knowing that I might have to do some work to it. I have the technology to machine up a new valve or seat. So it's not a big deal. 60$ compared to 250$ I don't mind putting some time into it.


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12.433 @110.8 140's IAT; Mustang Dyno 332hp / 386tq

f8tlSHO

Just did a quick cleanup job with some lapping compound and my drill... much better seal... I think I am gonna call it good. Hopefully have time to get the other hose tomorrow.


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12.433 @110.8 140's IAT; Mustang Dyno 332hp / 386tq

derfdog15

Quote from: f8tlSHO on January 07, 2017, 08:56:57 PM
Just did a quick cleanup job with some lapping compound and my drill... much better seal... I think I am gonna call it good. Hopefully have time to get the other hose tomorrow.


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Hope you can get all set soon! Also random question, is that a Hallman? I have one for my mustang build is why I ask.

As for hose, I went to autozone today, to get another 1.5' foot of hose, to go from the TIP reference to the wastegate, so I could leave some extra slack in the hose. It took ~2 minutes to get the hose, so hopefully it is as easy for you.

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f8tlSHO

Quote from: derfdog15 on January 07, 2017, 09:27:07 PM
Quote from: f8tlSHO on January 07, 2017, 08:56:57 PM
Just did a quick cleanup job with some lapping compound and my drill... much better seal... I think I am gonna call it good. Hopefully have time to get the other hose tomorrow.


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Hope you can get all set soon! Also random question, is that a Hallman? I have one for my mustang build is why I ask.

As for hose, I went to autozone today, to get another 1.5' foot of hose, to go from the TIP reference to the wastegate, so I could leave some extra slack in the hose. It took ~2 minutes to get the hose, so hopefully it is as easy for you.
Yes I believe it is a hallman, I bought it back in 2010 from a buddy to use on my mustang turbo build that never came to life... my son came in 2011 and my daughter in 2014... so garage time has taken a pretty big hit. Still have a mustang but it is missing boost. When you said you got hose a couple posts ago I thought you were talking about the 1.5" hose to connect to the intake. I wonder if lowes sells anything that would work. I have enough hose for my reference line, as long as this crazy idea works.


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12.433 @110.8 140's IAT; Mustang Dyno 332hp / 386tq

derfdog15

Quote from: f8tlSHO on January 07, 2017, 09:39:34 PM
Yes I believe it is a hallman, I bought it back in 2010 from a buddy to use on my mustang turbo build that never came to life... my son came in 2011 and my daughter in 2014... so garage time has taken a pretty big hit. Still have a mustang but it is missing boost. When you said you got hose a couple posts ago I thought you were talking about the 1.5" hose to connect to the intake. I wonder if lowes sells anything that would work. I have enough hose for my reference line, as long as this crazy idea works.


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The hard hose that OE uses (for the brake booster anyway) is pretty hard to find anywhere. Lowes/Home Depot/Menards all sell 1/4" ID hose and 3/8" ID hose. The brake booster line is 3/8" ID. TIP is 1/4" ID.

Just curious why you keep mentioning needing an intake line? Per the hallman instructions (http://www.hallmanboostcontroller.com/Pro%20Series%20Installation%20Instructions%20ld.pdf) and the TiAL Instructions (http://www.tialsport.com/documents/MV-Install-Guide.jpg) you should only need two pieces of line from your dump pipe reference.

Line 1 going from the port you tapped to the input port on the MBC. Line 2 going from the MBC output to one of the bottom air ports on the wastegate. Which you have already done

Or are you talking about the radiator hose to actually mount it on the noise maker? If that is the case, I didn't use one, so am of little help, BUT, you should be able to take the dump pipe you have (and possibly the intercooler to intake noisemaker pipe) to any autoparts store and get a section of radiator hose that will work, along with hose clamps. You would just find a radiator hose that works, and choose one with the appropriate bend, then cut it down to size.
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f8tlSHO

Quote from: derfdog15 on January 08, 2017, 12:34:26 PM
Quote from: f8tlSHO on January 07, 2017, 09:39:34 PM
Yes I believe it is a hallman, I bought it back in 2010 from a buddy to use on my mustang turbo build that never came to life... my son came in 2011 and my daughter in 2014... so garage time has taken a pretty big hit. Still have a mustang but it is missing boost. When you said you got hose a couple posts ago I thought you were talking about the 1.5" hose to connect to the intake. I wonder if lowes sells anything that would work. I have enough hose for my reference line, as long as this crazy idea works.


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The hard hose that OE uses (for the brake booster anyway) is pretty hard to find anywhere. Lowes/Home Depot/Menards all sell 1/4" ID hose and 3/8" ID hose. The brake booster line is 3/8" ID. TIP is 1/4" ID.

Just curious why you keep mentioning needing an intake line? Per the hallman instructions (http://www.hallmanboostcontroller.com/Pro%20Series%20Installation%20Instructions%20ld.pdf) and the TiAL Instructions (http://www.tialsport.com/documents/MV-Install-Guide.jpg) you should only need two pieces of line from your dump pipe reference.

Line 1 going from the port you tapped to the input port on the MBC. Line 2 going from the MBC output to one of the bottom air ports on the wastegate. Which you have already done

Or are you talking about the radiator hose to actually mount it on the noise maker? If that is the case, I didn't use one, so am of little help, BUT, you should be able to take the dump pipe you have (and possibly the intercooler to intake noisemaker pipe) to any autoparts store and get a section of radiator hose that will work, along with hose clamps. You would just find a radiator hose that works, and choose one with the appropriate bend, then cut it down to size.
Yes I am talking about the 1.5" hose that connects the gate to intake. I just either need to get the rad hose and cut it down or find a 3" long piece somewhere to connect it to intake. Not talking about the boost reference line, got that taken care of with the mbc


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E30 tune on14psi full weight including 2 child seats,race like a real street car.
12.433 @110.8 140's IAT; Mustang Dyno 332hp / 386tq

derfdog15

Good luck! Worst case you could always get a section of silicon coupler and cut it down to size as well, from somewhere like https://www.siliconeintakes.com/

But that would require a lot more waiting. I am actually pretty excited to see how your gate ends up working.
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MiWiAu

Quote from: f8tlSHO on January 08, 2017, 12:47:26 PM
Yes I am talking about the 1.5" hose that connects the gate to intake. I just either need to get the rad hose and cut it down or find a 3" long piece somewhere to connect it to intake. Not talking about the boost reference line, got that taken care of with the mbc


Just PM'd you (I think... Tapatalk is weird).

I have an extra 1.5"x3" silicone coupler that I didn't use with my install.



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derfdog15

Love to see the forum members helping each other out!

Small Update on my gate mod. I updated the hose from the wastegate to the TIP sensor reference. Used 1.4" ID Fuel Line from Autozone ($1.70 for 1.5 foot) as it allowed for me to leave a bit more slack. I also put blue thread seal on my wastegate air port plugs and the actual hose barb connector the gate as well.

Sent the logs to Brad just now (thought I sent them earlier but forgot to attach the logs, for like the 4th time).

Logs attached here as well.

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