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Hesitation in boost and high rpm

Started by polskifacet, December 04, 2016, 12:27:49 AM

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polskifacet

Everything fuel related was checked at least twice and LMS also would have seen LPFP drop when they supposedly had the gauge hooked up under the hood. I think it is narrowed down to fuel leaking which would be weird as its not running rich and I'm getting 28 mpg highway or there is something wrong with how the ecu is controlling the HPFP.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

StealBlueSho

Yea, they probably hooked up a gauge to the schrader valve under the hood up top on the passenger side. If that is good then you can say everything from that point to the tank is probably ok. Then a visual on the lines which are very easy to see to the HPFP.. then after the HPFP you can trace to the start of the rails...  to inspect it further would require you to remove the intake manifold... don't think they did that... even if you did, not a WHOLE lot you can tell visually from that point...

I am not sure where the sensor is that picks up the rail pressure...

If it was a leaky injector he would be having other problems too... stuttering while idle among other things...

Honestly Brad has mentioned with mine anyway, that there is logic in the ECU that SCT can't see that maybe at play with fueling as well...

Hope LMS can get to the bottom of it for you.. again... I have a spare LPFP, FPDM, and HPFP... if they come back saying you need one of them, let me know...

ZSHO

#227
I highly doubt the FRP was even checked as mentioned above by StealBlueSho.
Its just to many variables to consider in this situation!!. Z
The wiring below is for a 13 SHO and will certainly try to see what i can dig up in the FSM.




2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

polskifacet

Here is another 89 tune log where it downshifts into first gear at WOT and has the most trouble with 91 or 93 tunes. It never shifts into second normally when I do this. If I wot from a dig, there is no issue. Fuel pressure matches desired.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

StealBlueSho

hmmm interesting.. you fuel trims don't look off... but yea.. I can see it...

Your desired tip and desired FRP both drop.. your wastegate duty cycle goes to zero...and your throttle closes up almost all the way.. I bet it feels like the whole car comes to grinding halt!

The weirdness is you usually see this when you are running out of fuel.. BUT I have dropped to 1000psi before the throttle kicked in to save pressure... yours is getting to around 1500 psi.. PLUS your dsd frp is requesting a drop as well.. weird.. Brad might have some better insight..

polskifacet

bah seems like everything lms changes in their tune is just giving me a big middle finger.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

StealBlueSho

Quote from: polskifacet on April 07, 2017, 10:17:01 PM
bah seems like everything lms changes in their tune is just giving me a big middle finger.

That's how I felt with Torrie tuning mine... I eventually moved on...

polskifacet

There is obviously something different with certain strategies / pcms. In my case brad also was like WTF so I have a double ended poop stick lol
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

polskifacet

If i put it in sport mode and use the paddle shifters so it holds gear, it pukes on itself pretty much every time, misses the gear, bounces off the rev limiter etc first to second upshift. In D or Auto S mode its fine.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

AJP turbo

#234
I dont think its the strategy....i still think its a hardware issue.

I see that you have a 1000 watt subwoofer...i wonder if there is a grounding problem or a battery draw....maybe we should log battery voltage during the pulls and when the issue presents itslef....injectors do very strange things when they dont get the power they need as well as the intank fuel pump...this just occurred to me

You should get your alternator and battery checked...you might understand why but its important for the fuel delivery
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polskifacet

#235
ive experienced low voltage on a different vehicle and what it does to power/fuel. Battery was replaced right before they changed the long block. I monitor voltage when I pound the sub and its always 14.x. Trans is also acting up since the beginning.

I have an extra 4 gauge ground going to the shock tower and have cleaned all the stock grounds.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

ZSHO

#236
I have to agree with AJP assessment above and would try to rule out it being a voltage drop in conjunction with it's battery components causing your issues by checking the ground cables and straps for corrosion by the engine bay and curious if your issues started after installing the high powered system.
Did you install a good quality capacitor?
I wonder if disconnecting the power/ground from the amps for a couple of days has an overall effect on the performance of the vehicle!!.
I found an interesting thread over the Flex forum which might be somewhat beneficial.IDK. Z
https://www.fordflex.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9276


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

polskifacet

I feel like ive done my due diligence on the power/ground front. I also don't have the radio on when testing or spirited driving. I would look deeper if I was experiencing any issues on non lms modified "systems". Once I go to 87 octane tune where its completely stock values on the engine side, it works like its supposed to and only the trans is modified which I still have issue with it in (sst?) mode but no such issue in D or S. I can put it back to stock and I am 99% certain that I can't reproduce any of the issues. I have emails that all the issues were brought up to lms fairly soon after I bought the tune. I had zero drivability issues prior to installing the tune.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

FoMoCoSHO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAJeDX-T-Eg

It is my understanding you shouldn't be at 14+ all the time with the battery management software.

StealBlueSho

You didn't happen to see what your torque output was on that dyno did you?