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Hesitation in boost and high rpm

Started by polskifacet, December 04, 2016, 12:27:49 AM

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StealBlueSho

Quote from: polskifacet on January 20, 2017, 11:33:22 PM
Changed the pump, it was a SOB even with the tool. Logs look better but I attribute that completely to the fact its 20f warmer today then previous log. Still drops down to 1000 psi with kick down from 5th to 2nd. Logs 6 and 7 are with the new lpfp. Now the ball is in LMS's court since it must be a tune problem which seems to heavily be linked to ambient temp. Lmk what you guys think.

Note: no Hesitation on these runs

http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/Logs/

Most tunes have an issue with the downshift from 5th to 2nd... not completely unusual..


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derfdog15

Quote from: StealBlueSho on January 20, 2017, 11:42:54 PM
Quote from: polskifacet on January 20, 2017, 11:33:22 PM
Changed the pump, it was a SOB even with the tool. Logs look better but I attribute that completely to the fact its 20f warmer today then previous log. Still drops down to 1000 psi with kick down from 5th to 2nd. Logs 6 and 7 are with the new lpfp. Now the ball is in LMS's court since it must be a tune problem which seems to heavily be linked to ambient temp. Lmk what you guys think.

Note: no Hesitation on these runs

http://polskifacet.dynu.com:55698/uploader/uploads/Pictures/Logs/

Most tunes have an issue with the downshift from 5th to 2nd... not completely unusual..


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Seconded, just think about the change in condition, gear ratio, speed, etc. going from 5th to 2nd gear. If you were driving a stick car, would you drop from 5 all the way down to 2, or incrementally?

I have said from the beginning the main concern was/is the temperature, and I continue to hold to that belief. Let us know what happens/next steps you plan to take, hopefully this gets resolved soon!
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AJP turbo

Even at low temps the commanded boost of his tune is TOO low to be a problem on E10 pump gas as long as the fuel system is ok and the tune or strategy is not goofed up
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StealBlueSho

Quote from: AJP turbo on January 21, 2017, 12:46:04 PM
Even at low temps the commanded boost of his tune is TOO low to be a problem on E10 pump gas as long as the fuel system is ok and the tune or strategy is not goofed up


You've tuned my car so you know it's characteristic...

With the LMS 4+X tune, a 5th to 2nd downshift has caused my rail pressure to take a VERY brief drop down to 1000psi but it recovers almost instantly..

Can't remember ambients at the time...


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AJP turbo

SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

StealBlueSho

Quote from: AJP turbo on January 21, 2017, 01:59:50 PM
But we were well over 186kpa

Re-read my post, I saw the pressure drop with LMS 4+X... not your tune...

I saw the drop with your tune before the wastegate modification but that was pushing 207kpa with a lot of advance..


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polskifacet

Most of the fuel line is metal. Checked all the bends everything is nice and smooth. I can do the volume test but it will be hard to see a difference between 80% and 100% flow, I have no benchmark to compare it to. I also uploaded a log (8) of a run in 60f today.
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StealBlueSho

Yea, rail pressure is still suffering.. bottoms out to 1100psi and only recovers to 1850psi throughout the run. You never actually hit the dsd fuel rail pressure of 2149psi.... and the the intake temperature at the manifold starts at 93F which is more than warm enough to not cause fuel pressure problems at the load you are pushing...

Every look I look at, the knock sensor is pulling the maximum amount of knock it can at 4.5 degrees... that is not very comforting...

Not sure bud... And your Lambase and Lambda are matching up so its probably not a leaky injector(s)..

I am sure LMS will assist.


ZSHO

#143
I wonder if the compression test changed any since last time.  Z
Reference below
Compression Test
Make sure the oil in the crankcase is of the correct viscosity and at the correct level and that the battery is correctly charged. Operate the vehicle until the engine is at normal operating temperature. Turn the ignition switch to the OFF position, then remove all the spark plugs.
Set the throttle plates in the wide-open position.
Install a compression gauge in the No. 1 cylinder.
Install an auxiliary starter switch in the starting circuit. With the ignition switch in the OFF position, and using the auxiliary starter switch, crank the engine a minimum of 5 compression strokes and record the highest reading. Note the approximate number of compression strokes necessary to obtain the highest reading.
Repeat the test on each cylinder, cranking the engine approximately the same number of compression strokes.
Compression Test — 3.5L Engine Test Results
The indicated compression pressures are considered within specification if the lowest reading cylinder is at least 75% of the highest reading.
Refer to the Compression Pressure Limit Chart.
         

If one or more cylinders reads low, squirt approximately one tablespoon of engine oil meeting Ford specification on top of the pistons in the low-reading cylinders. Repeat the compression pressure check on these cylinders.
Compression Test — 3.5L Gasoline Turbocharged Direct Injection (GTDI) Engine Test Results
The indicated compression pressures are considered within specification if the lowest reading cylinder is at least 75% of the highest reading. Refer to the Compression Pressure Limit Chart.
           

If one or more cylinders reads low, squirt approximately one tablespoon of engine oil meeting Ford specification on top of the pistons in the low-reading cylinders. Repeat the compression pressure check on these cylinders.
Compression Test — Interpreting Compression Readings
If compression improves considerably, piston rings are worn or damaged.
If compression does not improve, valves are sticking or not seating correctly.
If 2 adjacent cylinders indicate low compression pressures and squirting oil on each piston does not increase compression, the head gasket may be leaking between cylinders. Engine oil or coolant in cylinders could result from this condition.
Use the Compression Pressure Limit Chart when checking cylinder compression so that the lowest reading is within 75% of the highest reading.
Cylinder Leakage Detection
When a cylinder produces a low reading, use of a cylinder leakage tester will be helpful in pinpointing the exact cause.
The leakage tester is inserted in the spark plug hole, the piston is brought up to Top Dead Center (TDC) on the compression stroke, and compressed air is admitted.
Once the combustion chamber is pressurized, the leakage tester gauge will read the percentage of leakage. Leakage exceeding 20% is excessive.
While the air pressure is retained in the cylinder, listen for the hiss of escaping air. A leak at the intake valve will be heard in the Throttle Body (TB) . A leak at the exhaust valve can be heard at the tailpipe. Leakage past the piston rings will be audible at the PCV connection. If air is passing through a blown head gasket to an adjacent cylinder, the noise will be evident at the spark plug hole of the cylinder into which the air is leaking. Cracks in the cylinder block or gasket leakage into the cooling system may be detected by a stream of bubbles in the radiator.


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SHOdded

polski, have you swapped out your Fuel Pump Control Module?  Sorry if this has been asked before.
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ZSHO

#145
Quote from: SHOdded on January 21, 2017, 06:59:28 PM
polski, have you swapped out your Fuel Pump Control Module?  Sorry if this has been asked before.
-MANU believe he did have the recall done recently with a reflash. Z
GA8Z-9D370-A module.


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

StealBlueSho

#146
Hmm I wonder.... have you checked the cam follower that the HPFP rides on? If it is grooved bad enough then the HPFP won't operate at full efficiency...

When you pull it out you can also look at the cam too to make sure the lobe for the HPFP isn't damaged/grooved...


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polskifacet

I have a new long block so all the stuff mentioned has less then 10k on it.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

polskifacet

What if I were to get race gas and log, that way I can eliminate gas quality. I've been running a 89 octane tune and frp is good.
AEM Dryflo drop in. PP Transmission Cooler and thermostat. 160 tstat, 3 bar map, plugs, AJP 93 Tune, PP Shocks and Springs

StealBlueSho

Quote from: polskifacet on January 22, 2017, 11:09:30 AM
What if I were to get race gas and log, that way I can eliminate gas quality. I've been running a 89 octane tune and frp is good.

Fuel pressure and octane I don't go hand in hand... at least not that I am aware of...

It would be more tune/load related..

You are holding pressure better in the 89 octane tune probably because it doesn't have the same load on the engine as the 93 tune... lower load = easier on the fueling...


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