Quote from: EcoPowerParts on November 29, 2016, 09:56:01 AMBTW, BPD I have no issue with you putting LMS says before all of your statements, that lets people know that it's coming from them but when you make these comments it looks like it's coming from actual information that you have tried/done yourself and you and I both know that you only know what you are informed of, you don't have real world experience actually building/creating modifications with results. I remember a day when you were parroting the whole E85 is bad thing but now that LMS has changed their position....
In the end I only know what I've done to my car that I've tested and have results on, sometimes I'll take others word on things but I still trust but verify. I think it was pretty dang courageous of me to take a $30K+++ Flex and tear the manifold off and have injector bungs welded on there to try an experiment in fueling and it worked out, paying off with the first 600WHP dyno pull. If only the dang trans had held together but it is what it is.
Does the above even dignify a reply? Meh...... perhaps.
1st off Mike, thanks for letting me and others know, that you have "no issue with (me) putting LMS says before all of (my) statements". Forgive me for not realizing I needed your permission, or rather blessing that is, to post whatever I choose to here.
As far as your presumptions of me not having real world experience..... It's just that, presumptions.
You have no clue about my background, or anything prior to my involvement with the SHO platform.
My SHO is not my 1st rodeo, as I have been modding cars for 30yrs now, harkening back to my days at high school auto shop.
I have a long laundry list of successful project cars during that span.
Do you unbolt parts from your car, and send them off to someone else for modification? Yes. Should that be construed as actual fabrication in the true sense? No. Absolutely not.
You taking apart your Flex, is no more courageous then me having begun modding my $45K+ SHO, starting on day 3 of its ownership.
As far as your claims of me having "parroted" E85 and LMS's support of it. Like you, and many others, I consult those in the know when I don't know something myself. I, like you and many others, also perform research as well. My opinions on E85, or its use, have not changed, and nor does my original post here, about the LPFP having never been the issue. If you consider research as being "parroting" well, then who am I to change your mind? I've long overgrown beating the proverbial dead horse with you.
For the record, LMS has always had the mere ability to tune for E85. Dan will tell you that he is more comfortable with E85 now, than in years past, as the EPA has stepped in, and (forcibly) mandated better regulations. But in a nutshell, their position has not changed, contrary to what you think. They still don't recommend its use, and they have their reasons for that. Which I will defer to them to expound upon. Still, just goes to show you've made yet another, presumption.
As far as your claimed 600whp pull...... it's just that, an unsupported, never proven claim. You posted a video that proved 597whp. Granted, is that close to 600? Yes. But close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Moving along to the below.....
Quote from: EcoPowerParts on November 29, 2016, 11:02:44 AM
Quote from: J-Will on November 29, 2016, 10:47:34 AM
More vehicles are limited by fuel than are breaking the trans. If this is an evolutionary process, then fixing the fuel problem first takes priority. Call it supply and demand, or the scientific process of getting a sufficient population to higher HP levels to see where the next limitation is or what consistently breaks next.
Will this cause other issues to surface? Yes. And hopefully an aftermarket company will fix that too. Will it be the LP? Will it be the trans? We'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
It's the transmission, as per my post all the 550+ WHP cars have broken their trans so far except BPD as he's detuned or he's done it and not talking about it. I know for a fact that the other two have as well as I did in my Flex.
You and J-Will both present good points here.
The fueling issues center completely around the HPFP.
I, and many others, are excited about this newest development in the modified, HPFP arena. Perhaps a benefit of its implementation, will be a decreased dependency on the Methanol (for those that are running it like me)? Who knows? I look forward to the results regardless, and I hear the tentative results look quite impressive to say the least.
But yes, once there are more owners out there running the higher horsepower, EB based power plants, then the transmission certainly becomes an almost near identical issue/challenge as the fueling has been.
Just as quickly as you post factual information, there you go again, spewing forth your presumptions.
I am in fact still running my OEM Trans. It is still running strong to this day. That's about the only thing I have left on my SHO to tackle. When I am ready to, I will place my trust in those whom I believe in, to perform the job correctly.
As far as your presumptions on me having de-tuned. Also incorrect. I have actually been running my 525whp file this entire year. Without issue. Although I would never trust you to touch my car, anyone else that would like to pay to have my car inspected to verify that I am indeed still running my original Trans, and anyone else that would like to pay to inspect my ECM to see that I haven't re-flashed it, by all means.
In the end Mike, I know you and I will never see eye to eye. Unlike you, I accepted that fact a long time ago. I also know that unlike you, I don't have as much stake in the game as you do. But then again, I am not running a business like you are. So I understand how/why, you react the way you do.
My only stake in this game, entails me hopping in/out of my SHO and experiencing that ever infamous "perma-grin" each time I motor her around. Whether that happens to be on the street, or at the track.
I have many people, and vendors to thank for that. LMS being one of them. I will never forget paying respect to each of them accordingly. That said, I'll follow my path, you follow yours. No harm in doing that, that's for sure. Have a nice day.
