Livernois motorsports tune updates

[BlackSho]

Has anyone received any updated tunes from Livernois? I have the V9 and V10. I've been sending emails with no response for 3 weeks.

[ZSHO]

The V10 tune is the latest version they have....did you log onto there site by entering your (info)and following the captcha info.....any and all correspondence should be emailed at tuning@livernoismotorsports.com or info@livernoismotorports.com or definitely give them a call and ask for Anthony he's truly a pleasure to deal with and awesome customer support.  Z

[BlackSho]

Thanks ZSHO, I'll try a phone call Monday morning.

[FistyMcgee]

speaking of LMS, do they work with customers on datalogging to refine the tunes like Torrie does for the unleashed tunes?

[SHOdded]

From what I understand, they will on an as needed basis update the tune they send you based on what you want to accomplish.  The canned tunes you get are already "stable" versions probably 100% satisfactory to 95% of their customers.  But they will definitely work with you to tweak the tune for the "refinements" you want.

But no on datalogging.  A) MyCal does not datalog (at least for the enduser), and B) other tuning devices purportedly do not have all the tables that LME has access to on the MyCal.

[sholxgt]

B) other tuning devices purportedly do not have all the tables that LME has access to on the MyCal.

Since no one outside of LME can see the tables, they can make that claim, but does anyone know it to be true?

From what I understand, SCT has added tons of tables since the days that LME used to use the device.

[SHOdded]

That's the thing with proprietary stuff, you are caught in a Catch 22 with claims.  The MyCal is an inhouse device for LME now.

[FistyMcgee]

Thank you. I am happy with the canned tune for my '14 mks but I'd like to see more out of it, from what you guys have been saying it should be a bit more aggressive. I don't lose traction or chirp at all unless I'm making a turn from a dead stop, no chirp between gears 1-2 or anything like that, I don't want the charger guys to be able to hold their own against my car either and it is almost a dead heat against a charger with the current tune. I'll buy the downpipes and see how much that helps. I would like to use a proper actual octane booster on the car, being that I live in Cali I have crap gas 91 octane gas. I know I'm a bit all over the map on this reply so thanks for bearing with me.

[AJP turbo]

"Race gas concentrate " in the orange and white can is the best thing going...i wouldnt waste money on anything else...the stuff is as advertised

[FoMoCoSHO]

I'm pretty sure Rich has the quickest and fastest bolted non meth LME SHO and he runs a little E85.

[biker1956]

Last week I had Livernois Motorsports install a 160º thermostat, new plugs, catted down pipes, 3 bar map and a tuner with a Stock, 91 octane and 93 octane programs in it. I already had a Airaid air cleaner & Dynomax mufflers on it.

It came off the Dyno with 355.30 HP and 380.42 Torque. I am happy with the outcome. I felt the difference right away.

[Livernois Motorsports]

Thank you. I am happy with the canned tune for my '14 mks but I'd like to see more out of it, from what you guys have been saying it should be a bit more aggressive. I don't lose traction or chirp at all unless I'm making a turn from a dead stop, no chirp between gears 1-2 or anything like that, I don't want the charger guys to be able to hold their own against my car either and it is almost a dead heat against a charger with the current tune. I'll buy the downpipes and see how much that helps. I would like to use a proper actual octane booster on the car, being that I live in Cali I have crap gas 91 octane gas. I know I'm a bit all over the map on this reply so thanks for bearing with me.

Are you running our tuning? If you are, what mods do you have? What tune are you running? I can assure you that any SHO, MKS or XSport that I have driven w/ our tuning and parts on it is fully capable of chirping the tires from basically any speed in 1st and 2nd gears. Biker's car was here last week...don't tell him, but his car does it! lol

"Race gas concentrate " in the orange and white can is the best thing going...i wouldnt waste money on anything else...the stuff is as advertised

DO NOT USE ANY TYPE OF OCTANE BOOSTERS OR "RACE GAS ADDITIVES"!!!!!!! If you want more research octane use better fuel.

Last week I had Livernois Motorsports install a 160º thermostat, new plugs, catted down pipes, 3 bar map and a tuner with a Stock, 91 octane and 93 octane programs in it. I already had a Airaid air cleaner & Dynomax mufflers on it.

It came off the Dyno with 355.30 HP and 380.42 Torque. I am happy with the outcome. I felt the difference right away.

Great to hear that you are loving the car. It should make your road trip far more exciting!

[AJP turbo]

Thank you. I am happy with the canned tune for my '14 mks but I'd like to see more out of it, from what you guys have been saying it should be a bit more aggressive. I don't lose traction or chirp at all unless I'm making a turn from a dead stop, no chirp between gears 1-2 or anything like that, I don't want the charger guys to be able to hold their own against my car either and it is almost a dead heat against a charger with the current tune. I'll buy the downpipes and see how much that helps. I would like to use a proper actual octane booster on the car, being that I live in Cali I have crap gas 91 octane gas. I know I'm a bit all over the map on this reply so thanks for bearing with me.

Are you running our tuning? If you are, what mods do you have? What tune are you running? I can assure you that any SHO, MKS or XSport that I have driven w/ our tuning and parts on it is fully capable of chirping the tires from basically any speed in 1st and 2nd gears. Biker's car was here last week...don't tell him, but his car does it! lol

"Race gas concentrate " in the orange and white can is the best thing going...i wouldnt waste money on anything else...the stuff is as advertised

DO NOT USE ANY TYPE OF OCTANE BOOSTERS OR "RACE GAS ADDITIVES"!!!!!!! If you want more research octane use better fuel.

Last week I had Livernois Motorsports install a 160º thermostat, new plugs, catted down pipes, 3 bar map and a tuner with a Stock, 91 octane and 93 octane programs in it. I already had a Airaid air cleaner & Dynomax mufflers on it.

It came off the Dyno with 355.30 HP and 380.42 Torque. I am happy with the outcome. I felt the difference right away.

Great to hear that you are loving the car. It should make your road trip far more exciting!

Excellent advice from livernois .

It would be ill advised to use any type of additive or ethanol blend as their tunes seem to not tolerate it well as opposed to some other tunes....14shocar had a bad experience and was repremanded by lms

"Race gas concentrate" is a brand and it would not be accurate to call it an additive. Its not an octane booster either....it is concentrated race fuel and its intended purpose is to be portable race fuel or a race fuel substitute or equivalent.....most importantly it does not change the stoichiometric mixture value of the fuel you have in your tank so if your tune is happy with the current mix then it will be happy with this product

But that being said you should follow your tuner's recommendation on what the tune is capable of accommodating.....all tunes are not equal and some can handle fuel and boost better than others

It is a pity though that they would advise against that product....perhaps a lack of testing on their part...you would be pleased with what the knock sensors show with it

[Livernois Motorsports]

We are pleased with all of the research that we have done and continue to do on a daily basis. We have routinely proven over the past almost decade of the EB platform as a whole that they are extremely sensitive to specific gravity, density and thermal characteristics of the fuel used. There is always some magic fuel that someone finds and swears by until...BOOM! We are very content in knowing that we have, are and will always only recommend tuning, parts and fueling that we have actual data to support. We will continue to research, test and broadcast diligently quality information as we have done for all of these years.

[FoMoCoSHO]

We have routinely proven over the past almost decade of the EB platform as a whole that they are extremely sensitive to specific gravity, density and thermal characteristics of the fuel used. We are very content in knowing that we have, are and will always only recommend tuning, parts and fueling that we have actual data to support.

I would agree with these statements and i think it is a wise business decision for you to only deal with known variables you are able to validate in shop. For example, going through the tuning/logging process was quite eye opening about the difference in knock resistance going from non top tier to top tier. I've never been a non top tier guy but I can now say with confidence that it is a really bad idea if you want your car to perform at its peak. Had i not experienced it, I would never have believed the difference was that great.

In stock form these cars have to tolerate these changes somewhat as fuel composition varies due to the widely varying ad packs, regional base stock blends, weather etc. lets look at specific gravity for example.

Pump gas specific gravity ranges from .72-.77 and unless you went nuts with lets say, E85, you will still fall within that range. E30 puts me towards the higher end but still within accepted ranges of available pump gas with some wiggle room.

I understand and respect your position but that doesn't mean that everything else you haven't had the time or opportunity to test is automatically a terrible idea. There's too many products, too many variables, and not enough time to test everything and still make a profit which is ultimately why you guys do what you do.

I think the bigger problem is when folks start dumping things in the tank without thought or research of all the things you mention which ARE legitimate concerns. Full disclosure, I may have done this once or twice, lol. Meth tolerant injector o rings you say Ford? I accept the risk in the pursuit of providing info and experiences for fellow forum members.

It is in mans inherent nature to be curious and push the envelope...which is why you guys love doing what you do and some of us enjoy taking the path less traveled. Hopefully the end result of all this testing, debating, researching, and beating the crap out of our cars is that we all learn a little bit from each other.