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New TSB for 3.5 GDI Sartup Rattle 15-0131

Started by BiGMaC, September 05, 2015, 10:19:59 AM

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ZSHO

Quote from: SHOdded on September 13, 2015, 07:49:15 PM
Haven't a clue what drives a TSB generation, but I'd think a combination of complaints, service calls, and engineer-assisted enquiries meeting some statistical significance.
Thats also what most tech's rely on to further rectify any issues your having,you can refer a TSB as a (safety net).  Z


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SHOdded

Quote from: 66 Galaxie on September 15, 2015, 07:30:43 AM
I keep wondering how much a pre-oiler may or may not help protect our engines from any start up rattles due to bad cam phasers and/or the tensioner on the timing chain.
If the oil pump is independently controllable, with or without engine running, maybe the PCM programming can be updated to prime the oil, just like the fuel pump is primed prior to start.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

glock-coma


Quote from: markssho on September 14, 2015, 08:27:44 PM
Thought I would share a startup rattle from my 2010 SHO. Took these videos this summer as it had between 55k-60k miles on it.

http://vid1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag404/markssho/SHO2/VID_20150815_102452538.mp4

http://vid1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag404/markssho/SHO2/VID_20150821_073524526.mp4

http://vid1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag404/markssho/SHO2/VID_20150828_075733945.mp4

On the first link, you can hear it best. I would say that one is around the medium volume level. I've heard it much louder. The other two are not as loud.  It really isn't consistent as far as the loudness goes. That's why it is difficult to capture it on video (who's gonna video every startup).
Your first video is exactly what mine sound like.  Very inconsistent loudness and sometimes doesn't do it at all.
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shaneirish

2010 SHO 20" Wheels, LMS 4X tune, AirRaid CAI, 3-Bar MAP, 160 Thermostat.  TSB's and Failures TSB-11-12-10 - 6F50/6F55 TRANSMISSION. TSB 11-11-09 - INTERMITTENT STEERING DRIFT/PULL. All four wheel bearings replaced winter 2014-2015 (all failed at different times and within four weeks of each other, PTU Failure at 54,000 miles. Climate heat issue fixed, halfshaft issue. Right front strut bearing plate failure at 79,000. TSB installed the thrust washer over the halfshaft.

SHOdded

2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

BiGMaC


•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

68_GT

my SHO makes this rattle at cold start ups. I had a feeling that's what the noise was.

Any idea if it's just a noise or if it'll eventually cause a problem ?
What it the repair cost ? I'm at 73K miles. Had this noise going on for about 10K miles. The noise is pronounced but goes away real quickly. My car still runs strong so I can't tell it's causing any other problems at this point.
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UPDATE - 130K miles =blown engine. Unleashed tune and EBPP upgrade turbo billet wheels / Turbo Smart WGA's on a bran new long block. Let's get this SHO on the road !

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MeanKS

Guys, so whats the bottom line concerning oil weights and our engines including this possible issue?

5w20 or 30?
MKS-EB...

AJP turbo

Quote from: MeanKS on December 13, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
Guys, so whats the bottom line concerning oil weights and our engines including this possible issue?

5w20 or 30?

Guys,....owners manual lol
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SHOdded

Quote from: MeanKS on December 13, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
Guys, so whats the bottom line concerning oil weights and our engines including this possible issue?

5w20 or 30?
I think that the longer the drain interval, the more likely you should move up to 5W30.  But if you use the severe duty intervals, 5W20 should be fine.  If you then start hearing rattle (even 1-2 seconds long), try switching out to the 5W30, and see if that helps.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: ajpturbo on December 13, 2015, 10:25:59 PM
Quote from: MeanKS on December 13, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
Guys, so whats the bottom line concerning oil weights and our engines including this possible issue?

5w20 or 30?

Guys,....owners manual lol
It changed from 5-20 in gen 4.1 to 5-30 in 4.2

I suspect there was a good reason for the switch.


AJP turbo

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on December 14, 2015, 12:07:40 AM
Quote from: ajpturbo on December 13, 2015, 10:25:59 PM
Quote from: MeanKS on December 13, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
Guys, so whats the bottom line concerning oil weights and our engines including this possible issue?

5w20 or 30?

Guys,....owners manual lol
It changed from 5-20 in gen 4.1 to 5-30 in 4.2

I suspect there was a good reason for the switch.

Of course there is...motorcraft oil shears something terrible in just a couple thousand miles.....same reason they call for 5w-50 in my coyote 5.0 mustang..they want headroom when their oil shears
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Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

SHOdded

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on December 14, 2015, 12:07:40 AM
It changed from 5-20 in gen 4.1 to 5-30 in 4.2
I suspect there was a good reason for the switch.
Even earlier.  In the 2011 (Gen 4.1) OM, 5W30 is listed.  EB engines across the board use 5W30 now, not 5W20.  The NA engines use 5W20.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ZSHO

#59
I would just use a good quality synthetic oil changed at 5k intervals and here's an article that might help a bit.  Z   Right Oil is Critical

Engine oil has always been used as a lubricant and as a coolant. What new function does engine oil perform on Ti-VCT engines that it never did on the Ford CVPI 4.6L V8? It acts as hydraulic fluid to operate the cam phasers.

With engine oil used to operate the cam phasers, two aspects of preventative maintenance become even more critical. First, these new Police Interceptor engines MUST have the right weight-viscosity of engine oil. The PCM opens up valves to control the cam phasers based on the correct oil. Too heavy or too light and the cam phaser will over-react or under-react. The VCT phaser not responding correctly to the PCM will cause a DTC: an error in action versus expected cam advance or retard.

Exactly the same condition can occur with dirty oil, specifically oil that has depleted the anti-foam additives. Oil with tiny foam (air) bubbles is more compressible than oil with no foam. So, oil under pressure has to break these tiny bubbles before it can act as a true hydraulic fluid. That will cause a slight delay in the response of the cam phasers to the PCM command.

It won't be much of a delay, but the PCM again monitors actual versus expected and can throw a DTC. Change the oil and the problem goes away. How about using synthetic oil? Nope. It is the anti-foam additive package that gets depleted, not the breakdown of the base stock.


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