The best gas.

[sunwolf]

So today I was talking to a friend of mine about how to run an analytical chemistry experiment to find out who has the best gas. Turns out he used to work as a chemist at Corrigan oil. He said the best formulation Corrigan makes goes to Meijer.

[SHOdded]

No Meijer here!  So what makes their gas the "best"?  Additives, right?

[sunwolf]

No Meijer here!  So what makes their gas the "best"?  Additives, right?

The most of the best additives. He said any station that advertises an additive like shell vpower or BP invigorate uses just enough to make the claim. Meijer actually spends the money to get the additives in high concentration.

[IHeartGroceries]

Why would what appears to be a carrier/wholesaler need a "chesmist"?

Anybody who works in a leg of distribution ought to know to avoid making blanket statements about best fuel. Too many variables.

Meijer is a pretty regional retailer. I can tell you that not only is Shell much more widely available, but they treat their super with a very large rate of their additive. Well above mandated standard, and we'll above any of the other major oil suppliers.

Meijer is like some of the other smaller retailers, like QT, who've formulated, or likely contracted out the formulation, of their own, proprietary additive. Their blendstock is just purchased from wholesalers or from share holders, like Shell, Chevron, Exxon, etc..

So, yes, any advantages to performance that their fuels may hold over competitors derives strictly from their additive formulation/rate. This, of course, discounting PQ variables such as delivery and storage on their part.

[HtrdMKS]

Haven't used Meijer gas in years but they used to be alcohol free 100% petro.

[FoMoCoSHO]

No Meijer here!  So what makes their gas the "best"?  Additives, right?

The most of the best additives. He said any station that advertises an additive like shell vpower or BP invigorate uses just enough to make the claim. Meijer actually spends the money to get the additives in high concentration.

That dude is full of bullshit.

Why would they go to all that expense and trouble and not be Top Tier certified?

http://www.toptiergas.com/index.html

[sunwolf]

Why would what appears to be a carrier/wholesaler need a "chesmist"?

Anybody who works in a leg of distribution ought to know to avoid making blanket statements about best fuel. Too many variables.

Meijer is a pretty regional retailer. I can tell you that not only is Shell much more widely available, but they treat their super with a very large rate of their additive. Well above mandated standard, and we'll above any of the other major oil suppliers.

Meijer is like some of the other smaller retailers, like QT, who've formulated, or likely contracted out the formulation, of their own, proprietary additive. Their blendstock is just purchased from wholesalers or from share holders, like Shell, Chevron, Exxon, etc..

So, yes, any advantages to performance that their fuels may hold over competitors derives strictly from their additive formulation/rate. This, of course, discounting PQ variables such as delivery and storage on their part.

They need analytical chemists to verify that each batch is in spec. He had access to all the formulas that Corrigan uses when they blend the additives for the stations they supply. Corrigan actually blends the additives btw. So BP dosent use as much as meijer.

[sunwolf]

No Meijer here!  So what makes their gas the "best"?  Additives, right?

The most of the best additives. He said any station that advertises an additive like shell vpower or BP invigorate uses just enough to make the claim. Meijer actually spends the money to get the additives in high concentration.

That dude is full of bullshit.

Why would they go to all that expense and trouble and not be Top Tier certified?

http://www.toptiergas.com/index.html

No idea. He just had the formulations as Corrigan mixes the gas and additives and meijer used more than anyone.

[FoMoCoSHO]

No Meijer here!  So what makes their gas the "best"?  Additives, right?

The most of the best additives. He said any station that advertises an additive like shell vpower or BP invigorate uses just enough to make the claim. Meijer actually spends the money to get the additives in high concentration.

That dude is full of bullshit.

Why would they go to all that expense and trouble and not be Top Tier certified?

http://www.toptiergas.com/index.html

No idea. He just had the formulations as Corrigan mixes the gas and additives and meijer used more than anyone.

How exactly would he know that?

[sunwolf]

Because he had access to the formulas and read them.

[FoMoCoSHO]

Why would what appears to be a carrier/wholesaler need a "chesmist"?

Anybody who works in a leg of distribution ought to know to avoid making blanket statements about best fuel. Too many variables.

Meijer is a pretty regional retailer. I can tell you that not only is Shell much more widely available, but they treat their super with a very large rate of their additive. Well above mandated standard, and we'll above any of the other major oil suppliers.

Meijer is like some of the other smaller retailers, like QT, who've formulated, or likely contracted out the formulation, of their own, proprietary additive. Their blendstock is just purchased from wholesalers or from share holders, like Shell, Chevron, Exxon, etc..

So, yes, any advantages to performance that their fuels may hold over competitors derives strictly from their additive formulation/rate. This, of course, discounting PQ variables such as delivery and storage on their part.

They need analytical chemists to verify that each batch is in spec. He had access to all the formulas that Corrigan uses when they blend the additives for the stations they supply. Corrigan actually blends the additives btw. So BP dosent use as much as meijer.

That I would believe as my turbo cars never ran right on BP.

Meijer would be hugely convenient for me since there is a station less than 1/4 mile from where I get meh corn.

But since they are not top tier, I don't trust their E content and that I need to know for fuel mixing.

Top Tier guarantees 10% +-  1%.

[IHeartGroceries]

Firstly, I don't care if there is an exchange agreement with this Corrigan wholesale group, the formulations for these additives were absolitely, positively not shared with anybody for some contracted company. Shell, for example, doesn't even share formulation outside of their chemical engineering group.

Now, if Corrigan does have an exchange, and they have injection systems to treat the blendstock gasoline, sure he'd have treat rates. But, what does that matter? It still doesn't mean X is better than Y. Really, just because Shell treats a ton of their additive into their premium fuel doesn't make it better. Perhaps Exxon's HiTec additive is more concentrated, and treated at a lower rate.

You're talking about a regional retailer supposedly formulating a better proprietary additive than conglomerate oil companies, who spend billion on chemical research and engineering. Just saying...

This guy having treat rates is like saying the line worker at the Kleenex factory knowing the chemical formulation of the lotion they apply to their tissues, just because he makes sure the packaged boxes leaves the conveyor with exactly 100 tissues in the box.

I use to work for a contract company who installs and maintains additive systems for big oil. I serviced and installed Shell additive systems at Exxon and Conoco. I serviced and installed Exxon and Shell systems at Valero...

I calibrated them, and changed treat rates when rates changed.

Now, I am an operator for Motiva Enterprises.

Motiva owns and operates the highest capacity refinery in North America.

If you're buying Shell fuel in metro areas in the south and east coast, it was Motiva refined and distributed.

[FoMoCoSHO]

Firstly, I don't care if there is an exchange agreement with this Corrigan wholesale group, the formulations for these additives were absolitely, positively not shared with anybody for some contracted company. Shell, for example, doesn't even share formulation outside of their chemical engineering group.

Now, if Corrigan does have an exchange, and they have injection systems to treat the blendstock gasoline, sure he'd have treat rates. But, what does that matter? It still doesn't mean X is better than Y. Really, just because Shell treats a ton of their additive into their premium fuel doesn't make it better. Perhaps Exxon's HiTec additive is more concentrated, and treated at a lower rate.

You're talking about a regional retailer supposedly formulating a better proprietary additive than conglomerate oil companies, who spend billion on chemical research and engineering. Just saying...

This guy having treat rates is like saying the line worker at the Kleenex factory knowing the chemical formulation of the lotion they apply to their tissues, just because he makes sure the packaged boxes leaves the conveyor with exactly 100 tissues in the box.

I use to work for a contract company who installs and maintains additive systems for big oil. I serviced and installed Shell additive systems at Exxon and Conoco. I serviced and installed Exxon and Shell systems at Valero...

I calibrated them, and changed treat rates when rates changed.

Now, I am an operator for Motiva Enterprises.

Motiva owns and operates the highest capacity refinery in North America.

If you're buying Shell fuel in metro areas in the south and east coast, it was Motiva refined and distributed.

Yeah, I figured the add packs were highly proprietary and confidential.

I doubt anyone gets the data besides the Top Tier folks...

[sunwolf]

Firstly, I don't care if there is an exchange agreement with this Corrigan wholesale group, the formulations for these additives were absolitely, positively not shared with anybody for some contracted company. Shell, for example, doesn't even share formulation outside of their chemical engineering group.

Now, if Corrigan does have an exchange, and they have injection systems to treat the blendstock gasoline, sure he'd have treat rates. But, what does that matter? It still doesn't mean X is better than Y. Really, just because Shell treats a ton of their additive into their premium fuel doesn't make it better. Perhaps Exxon's HiTec additive is more concentrated, and treated at a lower rate.

You're talking about a regional retailer supposedly formulating a better proprietary additive than conglomerate oil companies, who spend billion on chemical research and engineering. Just saying...

This guy having treat rates is like saying the line worker at the Kleenex factory knowing the chemical formulation of the lotion they apply to their tissues, just because he makes sure the packaged boxes leaves the conveyor with exactly 100 tissues in the box.

I use to work for a contract company who installs and maintains additive systems for big oil. I serviced and installed Shell additive systems at Exxon and Conoco. I serviced and installed Exxon and Shell systems at Valero...

I calibrated them, and changed treat rates when rates changed.

Now, I am an operator for Motiva Enterprises.

Motiva owns and operates the highest capacity refinery in North America.

If you're buying Shell fuel in metro areas in the south and east coast, it was Motiva refined and distributed.

I don't know that Corrigan actually supplies shell I just added it as an example. I know thy do supply BP and that it isn't BP's formulation, it's Corrigan formulation for BP.

[IHeartGroceries]

I've never heard of such arrangements. Then again, I've never worked for or with BP. Perhaps this is an example of what makes them junk.

Are you sure you aren't sharing hush hush, under the table information on the internet? Lmao

I'll share how it typically works...

"Brands" usually, if resources are available, design their additive. Or, contract it out to a chemical engineering group, to formulate a chemical additive which meets their needs or requirements.

From there, usually the production is contracted out to chemical plants. These plants produce the proprietary formulations, and distribute them to custodians and distributors, where they find their way into blendstock fuel, then branding them.

Afton chemical, for example. They produce a ton of additives, for multiple brands.

I'm not aware of any exceptions to branded additives, branding gasoline. There are varying formulations of the same additives, based on region of the country.

How Corrigan would get away with essentially branding gas with some in-house formulations, I'm not sure. Not saying it is impossible, but certainly news to me.