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Started by moem1090, March 04, 2015, 12:17:54 PM

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BiGMaC

#15
March 05, 2015, 12:37:11 PM
moem... Have you done any datalog or other method to see what the coolant temp is when the fans come on?... that would seem the info needed to stop the speculation.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

AJP turbo

#16
March 05, 2015, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 05, 2015, 12:37:11 PM
moem... Have you done any datalog or other method to see what the coolant temp is when the fans come on?... that would seem the info needed to stop the speculation.

That would work but he shouldn't have to, especially after asking the people that tuned it...I'd be highly pissed off if I asked them a question and I got their vague reply that said that's not too far off when they could've just said the number
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wasinger3000

#17
March 05, 2015, 12:52:54 PM
Quote from: ajpturbo on March 05, 2015, 12:40:58 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on March 05, 2015, 12:37:11 PM
moem... Have you done any datalog or other method to see what the coolant temp is when the fans come on?... that would seem the info needed to stop the speculation.

That would work but he shouldn't have to, especially after asking the people that tuned it...I'd be highly pissed off if I asked them a question and I got their vague reply that said that's not too far off when they could've just said the number
That's not to far off. Far closer than... ;D
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ZSHO

#18
March 05, 2015, 12:54:48 PM
Its always helpful and beneficial to have a vendor like LME to chime in once in a while to assist any issues or concerns someone is having.


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#19
March 05, 2015, 01:04:42 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on March 05, 2015, 12:54:48 PM
Its always helpful and beneficial to have a vendor like LME to chime in once in a while to assist any issues or concerns someone is having.

Problem though is they chimed in and gave a terrible answer that did really help out their customer...then they wanted to point how far off I was when I never gave a guess. All I said is that the fans should come on higher than the stat rating which is what they said after I did...so basically in short words livernois said the same thing as me but was salty about it and wanted to try and say how far off I was lol
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Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
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3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

BiGMaC

#20
March 05, 2015, 01:53:01 PM
Moem... to avoid you being distracted by all our speculation... speak directly with LME and consider getting your information so that no one is speculating...


•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

SHOdded

#21
March 05, 2015, 02:06:45 PM Last Edit: March 05, 2015, 03:05:36 PM by SHOdded
ANYHOO, getting back to brass tacks, the radiator is the first line of defense, then the fans (passive then active), as it should be.  By opening the TStat earlier, you let the passive cooling take over earlier, which would be more important the "hotter" the tune.  On the Edge, there is a thermal bypass valve that controls when trans fluid flows into the cooler, and it opens around 176F (normal operating temp for the 6F50).  The Edge's OEM thermostat doesn't start opening till 187F and is fully open at 205F.  Thus only engine cooling would be achieved below the 176F mark with a 160F or 170F TStat. 

Is it the same setup for the SHO/Flex/XS?  Then it would make sense for the fans to come on around 180F, regardless of the cooler TStat temp (160/170).
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If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

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#22
March 05, 2015, 02:22:45 PM
Shodded I agree with everything you said except for the last sentence.

If you have a stock stat then having the fans come on at 180 is pointless and possibly detrimental. Once warmed up, the fan would never shut off. The Stat will prevent the coolant from flowing until it opens which would be above 180. So the the fans will be trying to achieve a temp that the Stat won't allow....It may help out the trans temp slightly as the fans being on will help cool what fluid is in the rad, but at what cost? The fans running non stop, I wouldn't want that
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

SHOdded

#23
March 05, 2015, 03:04:53 PM
Correct, I should have added the "cooler" word in that sentence, so I will edit it.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!
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