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Tuning not yielding increased ET's

Started by fastforever, March 01, 2015, 12:46:44 AM

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fastforever

Hi Folks
I have a problem maybe some out there has already encountered.  I have a 2012 SHO pp that ran at PBIR last year on just a Torrie tune, of 13.02 @106. 60 ft times of 1.82-1.90. Not bad.
However, over the last year I have added a 170 t stat, plugs, 3bar, 50/50 methanol with a #10 jet and progressive controller,  and have recently had Torrie do some custom tuning with my data logs. Torrie has added all kinds of boost, almost  to where there is no more room.   PROBLEM is my times were slower than ever the other night: 13.19 at 105mph and 1.96 60 ft. My fast time were one cool evening, 12.96 at 106mph.
ANYBODY know whats up??   This should be running much faster.  I do have complete stock exhaust though.

THANKS
Mike
LMS catted dps, 3rd cat/muffler delete, 50/50 meth kit and Torrie tuned = 12.44 at 111+mph at PBIR, south FL.

AJP turbo

#1
Do you know how much boost you are running? The problem most likely is the 3 bar tune that you have.....Just kidding...(inside joke)

But seriously that sucks. Did you leave traction control on? Curious how much boost you were actually running. I don't know anything about the meth but many here do but can you overspray the meth and bog it down or anything? I've never used the stuff.
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405whp/520tq
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Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
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fastforever

Not really, all Torrie said was that I was now close to the limit of stock turbos. He cannot see any reason for this on my data logs.
LMS catted dps, 3rd cat/muffler delete, 50/50 meth kit and Torrie tuned = 12.44 at 111+mph at PBIR, south FL.

AJP turbo

Do you brake boost when you launch? I would imagine you are somewhere around 16-18 psi but that's just a guess. I agree you should be running better
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

fastforever

I sure do brake boost. however anything over 2200rpm just brakes the tires loose.
LMS catted dps, 3rd cat/muffler delete, 50/50 meth kit and Torrie tuned = 12.44 at 111+mph at PBIR, south FL.

SHOdded

Should be into the 12s easily with that mod list.  2000 is the generally accepted launch rpm for tuned EBs, 22-2400 for stock.  Are you experiencing any problems in your normal day to day driving?  Checked for loose clamps on piping/split piping?  How long since you last loaded the tune, i.e., enough time for the relearn to happen?  What tires are you running (stock/newer?)?  Michelins from the Gen 4.1 are susceptible to sidewall cracking.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

ZSHO

#6
I could see part of your issues being based on your 60ft times at 1.96 to blame,what tires are you running with?i is there 93 gas available in your area,check your AFR readings!!any hesitation issues like SHOdded mentioned,related to the meth install.


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

IHeartGroceries

The best best gains from WMI come from advancing ignition, not boost, especially on a small turbo(s), which is already operating in its range of efficiency. I know Unleashed has plenty of these cars spraying meth, and in the 12s, but I should hope that's how he tunes for WMI. It's very similar to the benefits of ethanol.

Bound to be an issue elsewhere.
2013 SHO PP

fastforever

Thanks for all the replies.
I have checked all hoses, clamps etc. Car runs smooth with absolutely no hesitation. I run 93 oct always and have Conti DWS 255/45/20. I know they are .3 inches larger diameter than stock, but that is only 1.3% so it should not make much difference.  Torrie has not mentioned any problems in my data logs and I am sure he knows how to get the most out of spraying meth.
It just seems no matter what the mod is that somehow power is being bled off. Can the factory blow off valve stick? Can factory exhaust create too much back pressure for this set up?
I am not mechanically challenged and deal with turbo diesels all day long in my business, but this has me stumped.
LMS catted dps, 3rd cat/muffler delete, 50/50 meth kit and Torrie tuned = 12.44 at 111+mph at PBIR, south FL.

ZSHO

#9
I apologize for the stupid question,cause it happens to the best of us,are you certain your tuned for meth!! are you using one or two nozzles.


2013 Performance Package SHO| Livernois Custom Methanol Tune|3-Bar Map|Reische-170-Stat|Full Race Tial-10psi BOV in Black|PPE-Gloss Black Hot Pipes|EPP Dual Intake in Gloss Black|PPE Catted DP|Corsa Sport Cat Back Exhaust|H&R Sport-Springs|CFM Performance Billet Valve Cover Breather In Gloss Black|Llumar 20%Ceramic window Tint|MSD Ignition Coils in Black|Extreme Roof Spoiler|Redline Fluids all around|Gearhead Intercooler|First-SHO With Direct Port Alky-VP-M1-100%-Methanol Injection|LMS-Custom-Dyno-Tuned @ 415whp-465wtq| Best Trap Speed of 115.54 mph|

AJP turbo

#10
can you actually confirm how much boost you are running? Can you read your datalogs? Also, do the 12' PP have the 3.16 final drive?
SCT Dealer/Custom Calibrator                        
Specializing in 3.5 Ecoboost   
Remote/email custom tuning including E85 blends 
Authorized retailer for all SCT devices. 
 
Former:2014 PP SHO
3 bar 93 tune, Airaid, Stainless Works non catted DP's  
405whp/520tq
Dyno
     
Current:2016 F150 2.7 Ecoboost
Tuning in progress

SHOdded

Quote from: ZSHO on March 01, 2015, 12:44:14 PM
I apologize for the stupid question,cause it happens to the best of us,are you certain your tuned for meth!! are you using one or two nozzles.
Good point!  It might be that the meth install is not working properly or the ratio in the meth reservoir is not correct etc.  Details on the installed components/fuel please.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

fastforever

Thanks for all your input. I have been sidelined with a back injury for awhile and have been too sore/lazy to think straight.   I recently installed a new progressive meth controller and it was trying to tell me something which I could not find, so I went back to basics today.
Checked meth pump output and it was very low and intermittent!  Traced it back to a plugged up meth filter, cleaned and reinstalled. Imagine that.......Lots of volume and pressure.  Live and learn.
I am going to try taking it out and data log again.  I'll keep you all up to date.

Thanks
Mike
LMS catted dps, 3rd cat/muffler delete, 50/50 meth kit and Torrie tuned = 12.44 at 111+mph at PBIR, south FL.

SHOdded

Great to hear you fixed the issue!  Looking forward to some serious exploits :)

And, good call, Z!
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

wasinger3000

13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.