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What's the difference between the 2 bar and 3 bar?

Started by Poppy, October 30, 2014, 06:40:17 PM

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Poppy

I'm thinking of getting the 3 bar, but what does it do better than the 2 bar?

2014 Ford Taurus SHO, Black Metallic, with PP, tinted heads & tails.

glock-coma

When you have a tune your max boost pressure will more than likely be above 14.7 psi.
The 2 bar sensor will only read to 14.7 psi.
The 3 bar allows the computer to "see" the higher psi.
If your stock you cannot run a 3 bar sensor. The car will not run properly with it. 
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

SHOdded

x2.  These measurements are over and above atmospheric pressure, which is 14.7 psi or 1 bar.  Hence the term 2 bar (atmospheric + 1), and 3 bar (atmospheric + 2).
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Poppy

Ah, so if I want the 3 bar, then I have to get the tune too.

Thanks Glock & SHO
2014 Ford Taurus SHO, Black Metallic, with PP, tinted heads & tails.

noidster

So are there any power gains? smoother running? etc.....
2016 Explorer Sport, Liv Tune, T stat, intake,

vernonator

Quote from: Poppy on October 30, 2014, 06:57:01 PM
Ah, so if I want the 3 bar, then I have to get the tune too.

Thanks Glock & SHO

GET THE TUNE!!!!! You will NOT be sorry.
2012 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP. Livernois Stage 4+, PPE Catless DP's, EBC Stage 4 Front/Rear Brakes
2015 Tuxedo Black Explorer Sport 401A, no mods....YET :)

donky4444

Quote from: vernonator on October 31, 2014, 08:28:26 AM
Quote from: Poppy on October 30, 2014, 06:57:01 PM
Ah, so if I want the 3 bar, then I have to get the tune too.

Thanks Glock & SHO

GET THE TUNE!!!!! You will NOT be sorry.

I second this.  I went from the 2bar with LME 4+ tune with a best E/T of 13.23 to the 3bar LME 4x tune and a best E/T of 12.75.
2017 Lincoln MKZ 3.0tt with LMS tune

2014 SHO 402a PP 20" flower wheels. LME  tune, 3 bar MAP, LED Puddle Lights and LED DRL's from Drive Bright, tinted head and tail lights, gloss black vinyl wrapped all chrome with custom chrome SHO emblems front and rear. SOLD

2015 X Sport LME 3 bar tune, LED Puddle and plate lights

Poppy

2014 Ford Taurus SHO, Black Metallic, with PP, tinted heads & tails.

SHOdded

I think you are about an hour from Torrie (Unleashed Tuning).  You could pick up the 3bar in person and talk with da man :thumb:
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

noidster

So what are the mods required/suggested to get any benefit out of a 3 bar.
2016 Explorer Sport, Liv Tune, T stat, intake,

SHOdded

Tune is the only requirement to allow the 3 bar to work correctly.  For the tune, you should have new or newish spark plugs gapped at what the tuner wants (0.030 or 0.028).  A cooler thermostat is also very beneficial for these higher performance tunes.  That's about it!
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Poppy

2014 Ford Taurus SHO, Black Metallic, with PP, tinted heads & tails.

mystery101

Been looking into the 3bar recently myself, I have a tune by torrie but he doesn't stock the sensor locally (Drat).. Also poppy you live in Ormond? I'm a mail carrier in Ormond, I think I may have seen you XD..
2016 SHO- Ruby Red - Performance Pack (Mods: 170*F Thermostat, 3Bar Map, NGK .28 colder plugs, JLT PCV catch can, OBX downpipes, GEARHEAD e30 tune!)

peppelepugh

not to steal the thread here. I'll be in New Smyrna Beach from the 26th till the 3rd roughly. Any 1/4 mile tracks open down there? I'm getting my tune and parts installed next week and will probably be itching to see what kinda times I will finally run.
2011 Kona Blue SHO non-PP: MDesign Carbon Fiber CAI, All interior lights LEDs, LED Puddles, and LED Reverse.

EBC Stage 4 Brake kit, 170* T-stat, 3-Bar MAP, NGK Plugs, PPE Catless-DPs and Tune by Torrie!

mystery101

Closest here is OSW http://www.raceosw.com/dragway/ I've been meaning to go there on Saturday nights and funday Sunday but every time I get sat night off and Sunday off it rains out or inconvenient for me.  If your looking for a mixed car meet/show there's one every Thursday night around 9:30-10pm in Daytona Beach behind the Steak N Shake / Burlington parking lot @ 1000 west international blvd I go there every week just because the honda's, mustangs and chargers keep trying with me XD
2016 SHO- Ruby Red - Performance Pack (Mods: 170*F Thermostat, 3Bar Map, NGK .28 colder plugs, JLT PCV catch can, OBX downpipes, GEARHEAD e30 tune!)