uh oh... blue smoke.

[EcoBrick Bob]

I got a response back from BPD.  Just noticed this same thing when backing into his garage in bright sunlight.  Very slight... Was surprised I e-mailed him on this just after he noticed it.  He has been talking with others and from what he reported, it very well could be Turbo seals. There has been a bulletin on this, and BPD had both his replaced. Less back pressure could easily affect how well the seals work. 

He did say that Darrelli has new bigger volume turbos in his SHO, which have much better HD seals and he has had no seal leaks in months of driving. Guess I need to call Darrelli... We talk every so often. Not sure if Darrelli has Livernois catted or catless down pipes. His car has been the one most of Livernois mods have been tested on.  His radiator came from Torrie, and possibly the 3 bar MAP, as he got it early on, after I did. 

Note- Flex radiator not an issue like the one on the SHO. The early years SHO seemed to have over-heating issues when driven hard,
requiring a larger radiator. I have made as many as 10 1/4 mi runs in one hour and have never had an issue.  Also no smelly tranny like I can get with my G8, even though it has a second tranny cooler. 

[EcoPowerParts]

I talked to Turbos Direct, I'll have my upgraded turbos 5/15 according to them, I should be able to talk about their option for a turbo upgrade as well.

[EcoBrick Bob]

Do you know who modded the Livernois turbos in Detroit area?
Wondering what theirs produce versus Turbo Direct, and if there are other differences.

[EcoPowerParts]

Do you know who modded the Livernois turbos in Detroit area?
Wondering what theirs produce versus Turbo Direct, and if there are other differences.

Tial does it for Livernois, I exchanged emails with them but they said I had to go through Livernois. What's funny is the turbo upgrade isn't listed on their website and no information about it. One of the guys told me about it via PM.

[PopolZ]

I've had my oil change done and in a little over 500 miles there's no noticeable oil missing on the dip stick. Prestone level also doesn't change. I still get an occasional oil smell and a bit of smoke but nothing major.

[TuxedoSHO]

So I just got done running my 2010 pretty hard, parked my car, got out and noticed the same thing.. tons of blueish smoke. I got worried, killed the ignition and checked oil level. Level was perfect. Started her back up, no smoke. Drove her back to the hotel, parked it, still no smoke. Now I'm paranoid.

[DJE624]

That stinks.  Could you have gotten it hot enough to burn more crap out of the exhaust? 

[TuxedoSHO]

Doubt it.. I've put probably 7000 miles and 2 track days on the car since installing my downpipes and catback.. If there was anything in there, it's been gone for a while

[DJE624]

I hate to think rings.  A teaspoon of oil can make a lot of smoke.

[SHOdded]

Leaky turbo seals?

[PopolZ]

my smoking issue started as soon as I went catless.
Like the others pointed out we most likely have turbos with weak seals and without back pressure they're letting some oil blow by.

[DJE624]

Better than rings!  But it still stinks about the seals.

[FaSSt9602]

my smoking issue started as soon as I went catless.
Like the others pointed out we most likely have turbos with weak seals and without back pressure they're letting some oil blow by.

Seems a little odd, but from my scouring the forums, I have seen/heard of a few stories and the loss of the cats seems to be a common denominator...I wouldn't think that a turbo NEEDS backpressure to seal, but I might run that by a couple turbo builders.  I'll report back what I find.

[FaSSt9602]

So a little birdie let me on on some reasons turbo seals start to leak:

1) Too much oil in, not enough out (too small of a drain). Probably not an issue being it is a factory feed and drain.

2) Too much crankcase pressure.  Could be a possibility with the added boost of modded turbos.  Maybe the stock CCV system is taxed?

3) Seals may collapse from heat.  Ehh, not really seeing this.  Don't think EGT are getting much higher with just modded stock units.

4) Turbo seals are just worn out.  Hopefully not.  Hopefully they were replaced when the modifications we done.

Are any of the guys with smoke issues seeing any extra oil on the charge pipes?  Any oil blowing by on the compressor side?  This can be caused by an underside air filter/dirty air filter.

[SRT82ECOBOOST]

Hoping some of the original people associated with this thread will see this post and respond as I am experiencing the same thing as the OP with my catless downpipes.