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2016 SHO / MKS mule

Started by SwampRat, June 09, 2014, 08:00:46 PM

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BBOX

Does displacement matter if the power is there? I see people getting all bitchy about the rumored demise of the 3.5L, but if the power is good, who cares?

SHOnUup

25% downsize seems it'll make the top end of mods that much less...
2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

PokerMunkee

The 2.7 EB isn't putting out 365HP though.  I'd be interested in it if it produced 370HP+...
2013 SHO PP - Ignot Silver/Charcoal
Unleashed 91 tune w/ 3BAR, Corsa exhaust, LEDs everywhere
2011 F-250 6.2 CCSB FX4

wasinger3000

We won't know until someone gets their hands on the 2.7 and pushes it to its tuning limits. Since it is made of strong materials it might be able to make a good number. Or it will have all kinds of limitations, like fuel,  turbo, and all the other little things.
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

SHOnUup

Jumping to conclusions and speculation is fun banter though...lol
2011 Sterling Gray Metallic SHO non PP,
12.4211 @ 110.28 Livernois 3bar tune & CAI,
Added since...PPE catless Dpipes, Megan coilovers, Powergrid adjustable end links, and EBC slotted rotors and red stuff pads.
Tommy Designs grille with carbon fiber hydrographics, fender badges and fog bezels hydrodipped also, tinted windows, head & taillights, debadged trunk with all chrome plasti-dipped, black calipers, obdlink mx scantool running torque pro on 7" tablet.

Brucelinc

I wouldn't be so quick to rule out the 3.5 ecoboost.  I could see the base Taurus engine choices as the 2.3 4 cylinder or the 2.7 ecoboost.  If there is a SHO, it would have the 3.5.  I would almost bet money that you will see the MKS come standard with the 2.7 ecoboost and optional with the 3.5 ecoboost.   

If they decide to do a Fusion sport model (ST?), there may not be a 2016 Taurus SHO at all.  That would be sad given the availability of a high powered Charger and the Chevy SS.  However, Ford doesn't always play in every category.  I am still pissed that they dropped the Ranger pickup and before that the Thunderbird!

RealityCheck

#21
I think it's a mistake to assume that the new Fusion-based Taurus is going to be significantly lighter than the current car.  An AWD V6 MKZ weighs 4,129 pounds.  Stretch it a bit, widen it a bit, throw on a couple of turbos, and some bigger wheels/tires, and its not unrealistic to assume the new Fusion/MKZ will pick up a couple of hundred pounds and weigh exactly what the current SHO weighs. It also won't have the current car's giant trunk.  The interior will be slightly roomier, but the current car is very comfortable and roomy, its just not quite as space efficient as the Fusion.  The small amount of extra passenger cabin capacity in the Fusion doesn't outweigh the current Taurus' massive trunk capacity for me. I suspect that if most people really took a long, unbiased look at how they actually use their car, they'd come to the same conclusion. 

The current car is much maligned in the media (and by people on this forum) for being overweight.  It's not.  It pretty much weighs the same as any other comparably sized/equipped car.  This is an easily verifiable fact (Google is your friend), so I am baffled as to why so many people blindly proclaim the SHO to be overweight.

I'm staying neutral on this until the new Taurus hits the streets.  Until then, I'm skeptical that it will be anything more than an incremental improvement over the current car, if that.
2013 EB Flex Limited, 93 octane Unleashed tune
2014 PP SHO, 93 octane Unleashed tune, PPE catted downpipes, PPE noise maker eliminator, H&R springs
2011 PP SHO (sold), 93 octane LMS Stage 4+ tune, 13.1@106

Scott13SHO

Quote from: RealityCheck on August 09, 2014, 08:17:29 AM
so I am baffled as to why so many people blindly proclaim the SHO to be overweight.

Because the car weighs 4300lbs or so!?

A Fusion AWD 2L Ecoboost weighs in at 3700-800lbs...so I'm going to assume that the new SHO should be able to lose about 300lbs or so.
Ruby Red 2013 Ford Taurus SHO with Performance Package,Airaid CAI, MGP Red Caliper covers, LMS 93 Tune, Custom A-pillar Gauge pod with Aeroforce Interceptor Gauges, LED Interior and Exterior lights

black99lightning

Quote from: Scott13SHO on August 13, 2014, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: RealityCheck on August 09, 2014, 08:17:29 AM
so I am baffled as to why so many people blindly proclaim the SHO to be overweight.

Because the car weighs 4300lbs or so!?

A Fusion AWD 2L Ecoboost weighs in at 3700-800lbs...so I'm going to assume that the new SHO should be able to lose about 300lbs or so.

Maybe or maybe not.  Add the increased weight of the v6 over the 4cyl.  The additional weight of it actually being larger and it may have a slight decrease in weight.  I wouldn't conceded 300lbs though, maybe 100. 
2013 Esport 13.44 @ 103.6
1999 Lightning 12.44 @ 108.4
2012 GT500 10.96 @ 130.6
2006 GTO 12.83 @ 107.8
2013 CTSV coupe 11.79 @ 119.7

jayskycj

If they can drop 7 hundy from an F150, they can drop 4 from the Taurus.  Just because the Taurus has similar weight in its class doesn't mean its still not overweight.  Of course it is.  The 3.5 is such a volume engine I would be surprised if it wasn't carried over.  It's fun to talk about that's for sure.  I just hope its rattle free, good build quality with good mpg from a successful model point of view.
2010 LMS Mycal 4X3Bar with K&N typhoon, 170 tstat, 534 plugs gapped .030, PPE Downpipes, magnaflow X Pipe and stock mufflers. Eibach Springs and Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3.

Scott13SHO

Quote from: jayskycj on August 13, 2014, 02:18:49 PM
The 3.5 is such a volume engine I would be surprised if it wasn't carried over.  It's fun to talk about that's for sure.  I just hope its rattle free, good build quality with good mpg from a successful model point of view.

The issue is meeting the CAFE regs in the coming years...
Ruby Red 2013 Ford Taurus SHO with Performance Package,Airaid CAI, MGP Red Caliper covers, LMS 93 Tune, Custom A-pillar Gauge pod with Aeroforce Interceptor Gauges, LED Interior and Exterior lights

RealityCheck

Quote from: Scott13SHO on August 13, 2014, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: RealityCheck on August 09, 2014, 08:17:29 AM
so I am baffled as to why so many people blindly proclaim the SHO to be overweight.

Because the car weighs 4300lbs or so!?

A Fusion AWD 2L Ecoboost weighs in at 3700-800lbs...so I'm going to assume that the new SHO should be able to lose about 300lbs or so.

That's like saying a 6'2" man who weighs 200 lbs is overweight because most people weigh less. A person (or car) can't be declared overweight without the context of size. The SHO is not overweight compared to other comparably sized/equipped cars.

The 4 cylinder EB Fusion is not a valid reference point for a future V6 twin turbo stretched/widened AWD Fusion based Taurus. The most comparable current car is the V6 AWD MKZ, which weighs only 300 lbs less than the current SHO. Unless Ford uses massive quantities of aluminum (ala the new F150), the logical conclusion is that the Fusion based Taurus will weigh close to the current
Taurus.
2013 EB Flex Limited, 93 octane Unleashed tune
2014 PP SHO, 93 octane Unleashed tune, PPE catted downpipes, PPE noise maker eliminator, H&R springs
2011 PP SHO (sold), 93 octane LMS Stage 4+ tune, 13.1@106

Scott13SHO

Quote from: RealityCheck on August 14, 2014, 09:48:47 AM
Quote from: Scott13SHO on August 13, 2014, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: RealityCheck on August 09, 2014, 08:17:29 AM
so I am baffled as to why so many people blindly proclaim the SHO to be overweight.

Because the car weighs 4300lbs or so!?

A Fusion AWD 2L Ecoboost weighs in at 3700-800lbs...so I'm going to assume that the new SHO should be able to lose about 300lbs or so.

That's like saying a 6'2" man who weighs 200 lbs is overweight because most people weigh less. A person (or car) can't be declared overweight without the context of size. The SHO is not overweight compared to other compared

The 4 cylinder EB Fusion is not a valid reference point for a future V6 twin turbo stretched/widened AWD Fusion based Taurus. The most comparable current car is the V6 AWD MKZ, which weighs only 300 lbs less than the current SHO. Unless Ford uses massive quantities of aluminum (ala the new F150), the logical conclusion is that the Fusion based Taurus will weigh close to the current
Taurus.

You can't use Lincoln as a real bench mark because of full glass roof and other improvements done to it to make it a Lincoln and weigh more then its Ford counter part. my figures are from a AWD Fusion with the Ecoboost 2L.

Let's also not forget the fact that the next Gen Taurus will be smaller overall by a little bit then the current car, which should help with weight.

Another example I can think of is the BMW 3 and 1 series. The 1 series is only 100lbs or so lighter then the 3 series its based on, even though it's a shorter/smaller car.

Then add in Ford needing/wanting to cut weight through using aluminum or stronger but thinner steel, there is going to be some weight savings in the upcoming car because they need too.
Ruby Red 2013 Ford Taurus SHO with Performance Package,Airaid CAI, MGP Red Caliper covers, LMS 93 Tune, Custom A-pillar Gauge pod with Aeroforce Interceptor Gauges, LED Interior and Exterior lights

SwampRat

#28
No Traditional Shifter ? !





2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

IHeartGroceries

Dang. Hollow Man behind the wheel.
And what the heck is that red button on the dash? Seat eject?

The interior looks quite nice.

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2013 SHO PP