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Disappointing Power

Started by POPSTAGE2, April 22, 2014, 09:23:16 AM

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BiGMaC

Quote from: Needmoreboost on May 07, 2014, 04:26:32 PM
I would not use t-bolts on plastic tubing unless you want cracks and boost leaks.  ;)

I agree!
This is the one exception. Plastic tubing connections nipples are engineered for the factory clamps.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

SwampRat

Quote from: BiGMaC on May 07, 2014, 04:36:17 PM
Quote from: Needmoreboost on May 07, 2014, 04:26:32 PM
I would not use t-bolts on plastic tubing unless you want cracks and boost leaks.  ;)

I agree!
This is the one exception. Plastic tubing connections nipples are engineered for the factory clamps.

The HotPipe Kit several members have and use here come with T-bolt clamps for all connection points . No problems with there use and no one else had any  that I am aware of .
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

BiGMaC

Quote from: SwampRat on May 07, 2014, 04:42:47 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on May 07, 2014, 04:36:17 PM
Quote from: Needmoreboost on May 07, 2014, 04:26:32 PM
I would not use t-bolts on plastic tubing unless you want cracks and boost leaks.  ;)

I agree!
This is the one exception. Plastic tubing connections nipples are engineered for the factory clamps.

The HotPipe Kit several members have and use here come with T-bolt clamps for all connection points . No problems with there use and no one else had any  that I am aware of .

Likely not long enough... Like the article on the radiator connections says...

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

SwampRat

#63
Quote from: BiGMaC on May 07, 2014, 05:15:15 PM
Quote from: SwampRat on May 07, 2014, 04:42:47 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on May 07, 2014, 04:36:17 PM
Quote from: Needmoreboost on May 07, 2014, 04:26:32 PM
I would not use t-bolts on plastic tubing unless you want cracks and boost leaks.  ;)

I agree!
This is the one exception. Plastic tubing connections nipples are engineered for the factory clamps.

The HotPipe Kit several members have and use here come with T-bolt clamps for all connection points . No problems with there use and no one else had any  that I am aware of .

Likely not long enough... Like the article on the radiator connections says...


Highly doubting this is an issue on the IC port connections and   I
TRUST Mike's judgement on the inclusion of T bolt clamps in the kit .
OEM clamps for the entire plumbing of OEM CAC system are screw type worm gear  , except BOV clamps  ... FYI
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

BiGMaC

Quote from: SwampRat on May 07, 2014, 06:10:42 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on May 07, 2014, 05:15:15 PM
Quote from: SwampRat on May 07, 2014, 04:42:47 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on May 07, 2014, 04:36:17 PM
Quote from: Needmoreboost on May 07, 2014, 04:26:32 PM
I would not use t-bolts on plastic tubing unless you want cracks and boost leaks.  ;)

I agree!
This is the one exception. Plastic tubing connections nipples are engineered for the factory clamps.

The HotPipe Kit several members have and use here come with T-bolt clamps for all connection points . No problems with there use and no one else had any  that I am aware of .

Likely not long enough... Like the article on the radiator connections says...


Highly doubting this is an issue on the IC port connections and   I
TRUST Mike's judgement on the inclusion of T bolt clamps in the kit .
OEM clamps for the entire plumbing of OEM CAC system are screw type worm gear  , except BOV clamps  ... FYI

"Piping", of course, it technically not the radiator hose... subject of the article referenced... It is not a worm clamp. 
Of course most of those CAC connections are  not the topic of my post, nor are they like the connections to thick rigid plastic nipples like the radiator has but, instead are thin semi-rigid plastic pipe to semi-rigid plastic hose or to rubber hose....

I trust Mike's product too... never even implied otherwise...You'll remember I helped in the fitment of this product (hotpipes) for the SHO

I think the hotpipe IC connections likely will be fine.....

However ONLY passage of time will tell with certainty... as continued EB owners cars age, regardless of our discussion or opinions.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

RealityCheck

Quote from: Brucelinc on April 22, 2014, 09:32:30 AM
It will likely get better with more miles - with only 500 miles, everything is still pretty tight.  As for torque steer, I am surprised that you found the 2013 to have "scary" torque steer.  That makes me wonder if there was something wrong with it.  You shouldn't experience much torque steer.

My 2011 PP SHO had major torque steer stock.  It was even more noticeable after I installed an LMS 93 octane stage 4 tune.
My 2013 EB Flex had major torque steer stock. It's even more noticeable after I installed a 93 octane Unleashed tune.
My 2014 PP SHO had major torque steer stock.  It's even more noticeable after I installed a 93 octane Unleashed tune.

Several magazine tests have noted significant torque steer in AWD 3.5 Ecoboost vehicles.

Conclusion:
There are several possibilities. Folks who aren't experiencing torque steer are either:
1) Not fully utilizing the loud pedal, or
2) Don't know what torque steer is, or
3) Have serious engine problems, manifested by lack of power and minimal or non-existent torque steer

Try this. From a complete stop, take your hands off the steering wheel and stomp the gas pedal to the floor.  If your car doesn't immediately shoot off the side of the road, something is wrong with your engine.

2013 EB Flex Limited, 93 octane Unleashed tune
2014 PP SHO, 93 octane Unleashed tune, PPE catted downpipes, PPE noise maker eliminator, H&R springs
2011 PP SHO (sold), 93 octane LMS Stage 4+ tune, 13.1@106

JimiJak

Quote from: RealityCheck on May 07, 2014, 09:03:14 PM
If your car doesn't immediately shoot off the side of the road, something is wrong with your engine.

Can't fault you for being direct! :D
"America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, badass speed." - Eleanor Roosevelt

2014 XSport Black Betty Build

SwampRat

RealityCheck  ...... No if ands or buts the transverse 3.5 EB has massive torque steer , especially when tuned .

Firm grip on wheel , eyes straight ahead and stomp it  .... Then SMILE !
2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

Brucelinc

The OP said:
"when you nailed it at 55-60 mph the torque steer was incredible"

Different scenario than this:

"From a complete stop, take your hands off the steering wheel and stomp the gas pedal to the floor."

I guess everyone could have a different definition of "incredible."  I wouldn't call the torque steer at 55-60 under WOT "incredible" in an MKS or SHO.  Others have indicated that the Explorer Sport is worse in that regard.

By the way, we have a FWD Taurus SEL with the naturally aspirated 3.5 as well as the tuned MKS eco.  The Taurus does 0-60 in about 7 seconds while the MKS does it in 4.2.  Which one would you expect to have the most torque steer from a dig?

IHeartGroceries

The torque steer SUCKS. It drives me nuts.

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2013 SHO PP

Brucelinc

I don't suppose a Prius torque steers as badly - might be a good option.

IHeartGroceries

Lol! So, torque steer is the nature of the beast now, is it?
Funny...seems to be a non issue on real sporty cars.

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2013 SHO PP

black99lightning

Quote from: IHeartGroceries on May 08, 2014, 11:43:39 AM
Lol! So, torque steer is the nature of the beast now, is it?
Funny...seems to be a non issue on real sporty cars.

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I don't understand why you'd take your hand off the wheel on WOT acceleration, sounds dangerous to me.
2013 Esport 13.44 @ 103.6
1999 Lightning 12.44 @ 108.4
2012 GT500 10.96 @ 130.6
2006 GTO 12.83 @ 107.8
2013 CTSV coupe 11.79 @ 119.7

IHeartGroceries

Don't know why it's news to everyone that torque steer is an undesirable side effect is a sports car.

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panther427

Quote from: black99lightning on May 08, 2014, 12:02:03 PM
Quote from: IHeartGroceries on May 08, 2014, 11:43:39 AM
Lol! So, torque steer is the nature of the beast now, is it?
Funny...seems to be a non issue on real sporty cars.

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I don't understand why you'd take your hand off the wheel on WOT acceleration, sounds dangerous to me.

Aww come on and live I little. '
Also a fun past time is doing this at a rail road crossing and race to train.. 

Disclaimer bad idea.
2013 SHO