Disappointing Power

POPSTAGE2 · April 22, 2014, 09:23:16 AM

Hi All-
I have about 500 miles on my wife's Sport now. Wanted to break it in like Stacy suggested to set the rings in. But diddn't want to get to happy with high rpm's untill the catch can install do to the the poor pcv, evacuation system. So up till about 300 miles I would load the engine down using the paddle shifters at between 1/2 and 3/4 throttle. (worked great) Power felt good.

Now with the catch can Installed I drove it pretty hard with full throttle blasts. Pretty disappointed with the full trottle power. It seems it has the same power output at 1/2 and 3/4 throttle as it does at full. There is no torque steer.

Before we bought the 2014, I was able to test drive a 2013 with 25K on the clock for a week...granted it was when it was cold and we had better air but that thing had scary torque steer and had a lot more full throttle power. when you nailed it at 55-60 mph the torque steer was incredible, and frankly was worried that it was to much for the wife...not with our 2014...it has just a hint and just doesn't feel like it has the power.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Guy

Brucelinc · April 22, 2014, 09:32:30 AM

It will likely get better with more miles - with only 500 miles, everything is still pretty tight. As for torque steer, I am surprised that you found the 2013 to have "scary" torque steer. That makes me wonder if there was something wrong with it. You shouldn't experience much torque steer.

BiGMaC · April 22, 2014, 09:37:43 AM

Is she up for tuning your XSport?

Any tune should improve your problem.

The new LMS v8 with 3BAR MAP is smooth power and the new turbo map puts increased power throughout the throttle... with no perceptible turbo lag.

SRT82ECOBOOST · April 22, 2014, 09:51:37 AM

The 2013 you test drove must not have been an SHO as I have never experienced torque steer as you mentioned.

POPSTAGE2 · April 22, 2014, 10:02:37 AM

Quote from: BiGMaC on April 22, 2014, 09:37:43 AM
Is she up for tuning your XSport?

Any tune should improve your problem.

The new LMS v8 with 3BAR MAP is smooth power and the new turbo map puts increased power throughout the throttle... with no perceptible turbo lag.

Thanks for the inputs!

Yea, she just trusts my decisions...when it comes to our cars

I think there might be a problem and agree a tune would be one way too fix it, if the problem is with mapping. But would it have to run higher octane all the time with that tune?
I remember having a '01 7.3 diesel that only got 14 mpg's empty. Since I worked at a Ford dealer at the time they had it in weekly if not daily trying to fix it...they couldn't. I put a tune in it and emmediately got 21-22 hwy.

So you say it shouldn't have any torque steer? interesting.

Btw- this Sport is getting 19 average mpg even with beating on it...thought that is pretty good...

Guy

POPSTAGE2 · April 22, 2014, 10:07:37 AM

Quote from: SRT82ECOBOOST on April 22, 2014, 09:51:37 AM
The 2013 you test drove must not have been an SHO as I have never experienced torque steer as you mentioned.

It was an X/Sport. Why no torque steer on the SHO? Do these have something to counertact this?
I must be missing something.

BiGMaC · April 22, 2014, 10:28:49 AM

Quote from: POPSTAGE2 on April 22, 2014, 10:02:37 AM
Quote from: BiGMaC on April 22, 2014, 09:37:43 AM
Is she up for tuning your XSport?

Any tune should improve your problem.

The new LMS v8 with 3BAR MAP is smooth power and the new turbo map puts increased power throughout the throttle... with no perceptible turbo lag.

Thanks for the inputs!

Yea, she just trusts my decisions...when it comes to our cars
I think there might be a problem and agree a tune would be one way too fix it, if the problem is with mapping. But would it have to run higher octane all the time with that tune?
I remember having a '01 7.3 diesel that only got 14 mpg's empty. Since I worked at a Ford dealer at the time they had it in weekly if not daily trying to fix it...they couldn't. I put a tune in it and emmediately got 21-22 hwy.

So you say it shouldn't have any torque steer? interesting.

Btw- this Sport is getting 19 average mpg even with beating on it...thought that is pretty good...

Guy

The tunes are written for the available octane... 91 or 93 standard (others can be had). I carry both when traveling because you never know what will be available in a given state and the change takes 5 minutes.... if you're not burning premium that could be part of the sluggishness you notice.

As far as torque steer... if you have the grannies on it should limit itself... check you settings... if it still does TQ steering after they are set to "on" then I'd have the dealer take a look since I've never heard this complaint before.... makes me think something may not be working properly.

POPSTAGE2 · April 22, 2014, 10:50:04 AM

Quote from: BiGMaC on April 22, 2014, 10:28:49 AM
Quote from: POPSTAGE2 on April 22, 2014, 10:02:37 AM
Quote from: BiGMaC on April 22, 2014, 09:37:43 AM
Is she up for tuning your XSport?

Any tune should improve your problem.

The new LMS v8 with 3BAR MAP is smooth power and the new turbo map puts increased power throughout the throttle... with no perceptible turbo lag.

Thanks for the inputs!

Yea, she just trusts my decisions...when it comes to our cars
I think there might be a problem and agree a tune would be one way too fix it, if the problem is with mapping. But would it have to run higher octane all the time with that tune?
I remember having a '01 7.3 diesel that only got 14 mpg's empty. Since I worked at a Ford dealer at the time they had it in weekly if not daily trying to fix it...they couldn't. I put a tune in it and emmediately got 21-22 hwy.

So you say it shouldn't have any torque steer? interesting.

Btw- this Sport is getting 19 average mpg even with beating on it...thought that is pretty good...

Guy

The tunes are written for the available octane... 91 or 93 standard (others can be had). I carry both when traveling because you never know what will be available in a given state and the change takes 5 minutes.... if you're not burning premium that could be part of the sluggishness you notice.

As far as torque steer... if you have the grannies on it should limit itself... check you settings... if it still does TQ steering after they are set to "on" then I'd have the dealer take a look since I've never heard this complaint before.... makes me think something may not be working properly.

Really? There's a limit setting? Feeling kinda stupid now.
I will play with that.

Thanks!
Guy

Btw- 91 octane since new...

POPSTAGE2 · April 23, 2014, 04:28:11 PM

BiGMaC-
I don't understand the "setting" you're talking about? I looked in the manual, nothing. Thought maybe the Valet setting... that's not it , that just locks out MFT.
When we picked it up new, the dealer did say there is a way to limit speed or the power...don't remember which, but either one I don't believe that is possible...I think they were wrong.

BiGMaC · April 23, 2014, 05:13:30 PM

Quote from: POPSTAGE2 on April 23, 2014, 04:28:11 PM
BiGMaC-
I don't understand the "setting" you're talking about? I looked in the manual, nothing. Thought maybe the Valet setting... that's not it , that just locks out MFT.
When we picked it up new, the dealer did say there is a way to limit speed or the power...don't remember which, but either one I don't believe that is possible...I think they were wrong.

Creating a "My Key" can limit speed if it is used to start the car... a lot in the manual. Valet can control some things... but I never use it so I just don't know about that function
I was also referring to "sand" mode, "traction control", and that stuff.

Needmoreboost · April 23, 2014, 05:25:15 PM

Zero torque steer on my SHO. Now it will spin the tires on launch and shift.

goblues38 · April 23, 2014, 05:33:15 PM

I have both. '13 SHO and '14 X SPORT.

My show (with a tune), has ZERO torque steer. Point it and it goes.

The X Sport (stock) will torque steer like a muther most times. But usually when you go from low RPM's (below 2,000) up through the RPM's. When the turbos spool up, is when you get it. Any input to the steering wheel exaggerated it.

BiGMaC · April 23, 2014, 06:11:56 PM

goblues... good info... My SHO is like needmb's... a little spinning... but not TQ steering.

POPSTAGE2 · April 23, 2014, 07:11:43 PM

Quote from: goblues38 on April 23, 2014, 05:33:15 PM
I have both. '13 SHO and '14 X SPORT.

My show (with a tune), has ZERO torque steer. Point it and it goes.

The X Sport (stock) will torque steer like a muther most times. But usually when you go from low RPM's (below 2,000) up through the RPM's. When the turbos spool up, is when you get it. Any input to the steering wheel exaggerated it.

That's how the 2013 was when we test drove it. My new 2014 hardly any (T/S). It feels about like an 18 to 19 second ride.
What times are these stock?

Bigmac- I see now what I can change or limit with my-key...thanks!

BlueSHO · April 23, 2014, 07:19:12 PM

Quote from: goblues38 on April 23, 2014, 05:33:15 PM
I have both. '13 SHO and '14 X SPORT.

My show (with a tune), has ZERO torque steer. Point it and it goes.

The X Sport (stock) will torque steer like a muther most times. But usually when you go from low RPM's (below 2,000) up through the RPM's. When the turbos spool up, is when you get it. Any input to the steering wheel exaggerated it.

Same experience here. I have a 12 PP SHO and 13 XSport and the Explorer has crazy torque steer with nothing for the SHO. Weird that it's like that.

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