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Ecoboost PCV issues

Started by Tuner Boost, February 23, 2014, 05:25:16 PM

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ShoBoat

2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

panther427

That is flipping insane. It so odd what can happen to a motor and yet it will keep running and other time small stuff goes and causes a completely blown motor.
2013 SHO

68_GT

So if I run a rx catch can I will have to drain out 12 ounces of gunk out of it every 150 miles and if I don't I'm running the risk of gumming up the inside of my engine, hydrolocking it, or thinning out my oil to the point of a catastrophic failure !!!!!!!!? seriously !? ugh !!!!
2013 PP SHO LMS 93V10 tune, 170* T stat, 3bar, K&N drop in, plugs re-gapped, 4in exhaust tips.
UPDATE - 130K miles =blown engine. Unleashed tune and EBPP upgrade turbo billet wheels / Turbo Smart WGA's on a bran new long block. Let's get this SHO on the road !

2013 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB daily driver ;) - LMS 93 tune and CPE intercooler

SHOdded

I don't think the situation is THAT bad :) but regular maintenance per your driving style is a MUST.  I always equate frequent performance driving to a severe duty schedule.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

68_GT

did you see how much crap poured out of that can after 140 miles lol ! Seems like all of these engines with out a catch can would be destroyed all the time.
2013 PP SHO LMS 93V10 tune, 170* T stat, 3bar, K&N drop in, plugs re-gapped, 4in exhaust tips.
UPDATE - 130K miles =blown engine. Unleashed tune and EBPP upgrade turbo billet wheels / Turbo Smart WGA's on a bran new long block. Let's get this SHO on the road !

2013 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB daily driver ;) - LMS 93 tune and CPE intercooler

SHOdded

True.  Maybe boost multiplies the problem.  Maybe we should instead be looking at a PCV atomization-direct injection system to burn all this stuff in the combustion chamber!  I mean if Mercedes can have 2 spark plugs per cylinder, why can't we have 2 injectors, right?
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

68_GT

great just another thing to worry about ha ha !
2013 PP SHO LMS 93V10 tune, 170* T stat, 3bar, K&N drop in, plugs re-gapped, 4in exhaust tips.
UPDATE - 130K miles =blown engine. Unleashed tune and EBPP upgrade turbo billet wheels / Turbo Smart WGA's on a bran new long block. Let's get this SHO on the road !

2013 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB daily driver ;) - LMS 93 tune and CPE intercooler

ShoBoat

Let's keep in mind that the turbo seals on the EBs and every other turbo engine out there are known for leaking. At least a little bit, that may not all be from the PVC system. It seems a bit much just from the PVC, if that was the case these engines would not run for long at all lol.
2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

Tuner Boost

So far, the cars do not seem to have anywhere near the amount caught as the trucks, and I suspect the intercooler has something to do with that as the truck gets a ton of air flow past and seems larger capacity, and that video is in below zero weather and anything below 45* F results in much more water as part of the mix. The shop truck we track we are still getting app 4-5 oz's a 1000 mile week out of, but were here in FL and temps are mild. In the 40 degree weeks we had in Jan/Feb we got twice the amount per drain, so until we have more results from the cars (have over 250 on ecoboost trucks, but only a handfull on the cars) we cant judge the severity of  or amount on average caught. You want NO oil ingestion on a DI engine, but I am suspecting the cars will have far less of the water, and there are stories from techs at Ford dealers seeing trucks hydrolock, but I have yet to hear of a car doing it (unless a low mount CAI scooped up water in a deep puddle).

Tuner Boost

Quote from: ShoBoat on April 10, 2014, 06:55:19 PM
Let's keep in mind that the turbo seals on the EBs and every other turbo engine out there are known for leaking. At least a little bit, that may not all be from the PVC system. It seems a bit much just from the PVC, if that was the case these engines would not run for long at all lol.

Some times we see small seepage from turbo seals, but the 250 plus EB's we have the RX system on the past 3 months have zero oil now (or water) in their CAC's (the ones checking) and the amount they keep catching is substantial. 4-8 oz's a 1000 miles or so. Also, oil leaking from a turbo seal wont be routed through the can to catch so it would be both in the CA and as when a seal fails, it is generally hot and cold sides due to shaft play, exhaust smoke is a sure give away, but not always. 

BiGMaC

Quote from: Tuner Boost on April 10, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
Quote from: ShoBoat on April 10, 2014, 06:55:19 PM
Let's keep in mind that the turbo seals on the EBs and every other turbo engine out there are known for leaking. At least a little bit, that may not all be from the PVC system. It seems a bit much just from the PVC, if that was the case these engines would not run for long at all lol.

Some times we see small seepage from turbo seals, but the 250 plus EB's we have the RX system on the past 3 months have zero oil now (or water) in their CAC's (the ones checking) and the amount they keep catching is substantial. 4-8 oz's a 1000 miles or so. Also, oil leaking from a turbo seal wont be routed through the can to catch so it would be both in the CA and as when a seal fails, it is generally hot and cold sides due to shaft play, exhaust smoke is a sure give away, but not always. 

...and don't confuse the sooty exhaust tips that all ourn SHOs have with smoking exhaust....

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

ShoBoat

In the vw diesels they put drain plugs in them lol. There is a vid on YouTube of a guy draining 1/2 a quart of oil from the cac from leaky turbo seals and that is normal.
2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

FoMoCoSHO

Quote from: BiGMaC on April 10, 2014, 10:11:24 PM
Quote from: Tuner Boost on April 10, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
Quote from: ShoBoat on April 10, 2014, 06:55:19 PM
Let's keep in mind that the turbo seals on the EBs and every other turbo engine out there are known for leaking. At least a little bit, that may not all be from the PVC system. It seems a bit much just from the PVC, if that was the case these engines would not run for long at all lol.

Some times we see small seepage from turbo seals, but the 250 plus EB's we have the RX system on the past 3 months have zero oil now (or water) in their CAC's (the ones checking) and the amount they keep catching is substantial. 4-8 oz's a 1000 miles or so. Also, oil leaking from a turbo seal wont be routed through the can to catch so it would be both in the CA and as when a seal fails, it is generally hot and cold sides due to shaft play, exhaust smoke is a sure give away, but not always. 

...and don't confuse the sooty exhaust tips that all ourn SHOs have with smoking exhaust....

Not mine...

BiGMaC

Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on April 10, 2014, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: BiGMaC on April 10, 2014, 10:11:24 PM
Quote from: Tuner Boost on April 10, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
Quote from: ShoBoat on April 10, 2014, 06:55:19 PM
Let's keep in mind that the turbo seals on the EBs and every other turbo engine out there are known for leaking. At least a little bit, that may not all be from the PVC system. It seems a bit much just from the PVC, if that was the case these engines would not run for long at all lol.

Some times we see small seepage from turbo seals, but the 250 plus EB's we have the RX system on the past 3 months have zero oil now (or water) in their CAC's (the ones checking) and the amount they keep catching is substantial. 4-8 oz's a 1000 miles or so. Also, oil leaking from a turbo seal wont be routed through the can to catch so it would be both in the CA and as when a seal fails, it is generally hot and cold sides due to shaft play, exhaust smoke is a sure give away, but not always. 

...and don't confuse the sooty exhaust tips that all ourn SHOs have with smoking exhaust....

Not mine...
you alchy!    LOL

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

SHOdded

That's another thing to look out for.  Does the catch can system cut back/eliminate the chimney-smoked/coal-mined look?
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!