Thanks for the warm welcome.... Drove a low mile white one w/out nav last night... NICE car, was a little louder than I expected, maybe it had cat backs or something. I liked it. Overall outstanding and beautiful. Love the white color. Hope to drive a black one tonight with nav. It's kinda down to the two of them....but the black car is gonna have to be nice to beat last night's intro. I am familar with the nav system, the Raptor has nav. I like it, but i think Garmins and the like probably have the Sync beat purely from a nav perspective, but nav clearly adds at least $1000 to the aftermarket price. In the truck, on a road trip, I am glad I can turn off the display, the screen can actually be distracting.... Now, if only someone only made a nav/dvd player/radar dectector combo unit..... any ideas?