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Mulling over rim choices

Started by Frozen Taurus, January 14, 2014, 08:47:27 PM

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MeanKS

any recommendations for acceptable weight ranges for a 20 in wheel for our cars...

also, does anyone know the 'standard' weight for the 20 in SHO and MKS factory wheels?
MKS-EB...

BiGMaC

Quote from: DRII on January 21, 2014, 01:24:10 AM
any recommendations for acceptable weight ranges for a 20 in wheel for our cars...

also, does anyone know the 'standard' weight for the 20 in SHO and MKS factory wheels?

As far as the flower wheel's weight: You might go to the ford parts site. if it doesn't say then there will be a shipping weight.

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

shoman04

Quote from: Frozen Taurus on January 19, 2014, 06:50:49 PM
I am not giving up on this, I just don't see how a 22x9 265 tire fits but no way in Hell a 20x10 275 tire will. I will run a bit of negative camber up front if I have to to get the rim to tuck into the fender.

I will measure this spring and see what I am working with before I order for sure

Thanks to those have helped out
Here are my 275x40x20 on 20x8.5 they fit GREAT!!!!
2011 KONA BLU SHO,Livernois Tune,AIRAID CAI,DYNOMAX MUFFLEs,Newest member of the 12sec CLUB 12.669sec @ 107mph    2011 Ford Taurus SHO: 12.669 @ 105.050 MPH NEW FOR 2013LMS down-pipe,Magnaflow X-pipe,and Custom 2.5"exhaust pipe!! Meth and stage 5 next to be install!!!!!! METH DYNO TUNE today 405AWHP!!!WOW LMS track day 12.4209sec   :mike1:

Frozen Taurus

That's what I can't wrap my mind around ....a 275 tire is fine in the wheel well on a 8.5 inch rim ....but as soon as you add 3/4 of an inch on each side of the rim there is no way it can fit  :evilmad:
2011 Tuxedo Black SHO non PP, K&N drop in, TCE Big Brake Kit, Megan Racing Coilovers
My other car is a 447 awhp Talon

SHOdded

#64
Talk to Joe (?) at Detroit Wheel & Tire.  I am sure he can supply you with accurate weight information on any of these OEM wheels.  Website is at https://detroitwheelandtire.com/contact and EBay store is http://stores.ebay.com/Detroit-Wheel-and-Tire.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Frozen Taurus

Quote from: shoman04 on January 21, 2014, 05:21:40 AM
Quote from: Frozen Taurus on January 19, 2014, 06:50:49 PM
I am not giving up on this, I just don't see how a 22x9 265 tire fits but no way in Hell a 20x10 275 tire will. I will run a bit of negative camber up front if I have to to get the rim to tuck into the fender.

I will measure this spring and see what I am working with before I order for sure

Thanks to those have helped out
Here are my 275x40x20 on 20x8.5 they fit GREAT!!!!

What offset did you go with Shoman?
2011 Tuxedo Black SHO non PP, K&N drop in, TCE Big Brake Kit, Megan Racing Coilovers
My other car is a 447 awhp Talon

Lanson

#66
Quote from: DRII on January 21, 2014, 01:24:10 AM
any recommendations for acceptable weight ranges for a 20 in wheel for our cars...

also, does anyone know the 'standard' weight for the 20 in SHO and MKS factory wheels?

The lighter the better!

I would be very happy with 25-28 lb wheels on a car like that.  30 lbs would probably be my ceiling.

BTW, if you do a wheel like a 2 or 3 piece or a forged barrel, the math is not quite the same.  There's a part that nobody measures (except perhaps race scientists) where even with a heavy center section, the barrel is very light.  Thus the rotational intertia of the wheel is less.  Same with rotary forged wheels like the TSW Nurburgring and Interlagos. 

Here's a rule of thumb I was taught, and it has never left me:

Less weight = good
Less unsprung weight = better
Less rotational mass = even better
Less unsprung weight with less rotational mass = do it already

Here's some light reading, taken from a decidedly heavier reading article
http://www.camaroz28.com/forums/lt1-based-engine-tech-9/sprung-weight-vs-unsprung-wieght-vs-rotational-mass-63883/
I don't have an EB but I am an avid modder and happy to help the community and learn/grow.  Pretty good with audio and wheels, my build and discussion threads are here in the forum.  2013 Flex AWD N/A

Audio:  Dayton Reference home speakers in front stage, incl. 2-way passive custom pillars 2.5" mid, 3/4" tweet, 2-way passive custom center channel 5" mid, 3/4" tweet, 8" midbass in doors, Vibe UK amps, JBL MS8 processor, Optima Yellow-top custom-wired, Exile subs in spare tire well

Mods: H&R, K&N, 22x9 & 22x10 3 piece forged wheels 265/35-22 Toyos, SCTX4 w/ 91 oct. Torrie tune

Lanson

Quote from: Frozen Taurus on January 21, 2014, 08:40:47 AM
That's what I can't wrap my mind around ....a 275 tire is fine in the wheel well on a 8.5 inch rim ....but as soon as you add 3/4 of an inch on each side of the rim there is no way it can fit  :evilmad:

IDK what to tell you.  The wheel contacted the strut during fitment check.  Wheels aren't 10" wide when they say 10" wide.  They are 11".  It is an extra 1/2" per side for a bead to mount the tire.  A 275 wide tire isn't 275mm wide.  It is as wide as mounted on the wheel.

BTW Shoman should be running a +34 offset there, if memory serves.

I don't have an EB but I am an avid modder and happy to help the community and learn/grow.  Pretty good with audio and wheels, my build and discussion threads are here in the forum.  2013 Flex AWD N/A

Audio:  Dayton Reference home speakers in front stage, incl. 2-way passive custom pillars 2.5" mid, 3/4" tweet, 2-way passive custom center channel 5" mid, 3/4" tweet, 8" midbass in doors, Vibe UK amps, JBL MS8 processor, Optima Yellow-top custom-wired, Exile subs in spare tire well

Mods: H&R, K&N, 22x9 & 22x10 3 piece forged wheels 265/35-22 Toyos, SCTX4 w/ 91 oct. Torrie tune

Lanson

#68
Frozen just roll 20x9 on a 275/40-20 all around if you want.  That'll work perfectly with the right offset.  Immediately a wheel that comes to mind is the XXR 968 that is on its way here.

http://www.nlmotoring.com/XXR-968-Wheels-20x9-Flat-Black-p/96809652f.htm

No idea if it will fit over the brakes or not, but otherwise should be perfect.  A +35 on a 20x9 is a sweet fit, and meets your goal standard back and front.  Oh yeah you can look at the XXR 526 as well.  Again don't know if it will fit the caliper, but otherwise should be good. 
I don't have an EB but I am an avid modder and happy to help the community and learn/grow.  Pretty good with audio and wheels, my build and discussion threads are here in the forum.  2013 Flex AWD N/A

Audio:  Dayton Reference home speakers in front stage, incl. 2-way passive custom pillars 2.5" mid, 3/4" tweet, 2-way passive custom center channel 5" mid, 3/4" tweet, 8" midbass in doors, Vibe UK amps, JBL MS8 processor, Optima Yellow-top custom-wired, Exile subs in spare tire well

Mods: H&R, K&N, 22x9 & 22x10 3 piece forged wheels 265/35-22 Toyos, SCTX4 w/ 91 oct. Torrie tune

Frozen Taurus

2011 Tuxedo Black SHO non PP, K&N drop in, TCE Big Brake Kit, Megan Racing Coilovers
My other car is a 447 awhp Talon

Frozen Taurus

#70
Well after lots of thought I have decided to go with a staggered fitment of 20x10 rear with 275/40 and 20x8.5 front with 255/45 in the TSW Panorama

Weight of 20x8.5 is 23 lbs
weight of 20x10 is 26 lbs
2011 Tuxedo Black SHO non PP, K&N drop in, TCE Big Brake Kit, Megan Racing Coilovers
My other car is a 447 awhp Talon

DJE624

Way to go man! I'm sure you'll love them.

shoman04

#72
Quote from: Frozen Taurus on January 21, 2014, 09:17:53 AM
Quote from: shoman04 on January 21, 2014, 05:21:40 AM
Quote from: Frozen Taurus on January 19, 2014, 06:50:49 PM
I am not giving up on this, I just don't see how a 22x9 265 tire fits but no way in Hell a 20x10 275 tire will. I will run a bit of negative camber up front if I have to to get the rim to tuck into the fender.

I will measure this spring and see what I am working with before I order for sure

Thanks to those have helped out
Here are my 275x40x20 on 20x8.5 they fit GREAT!!!!

What offset did you go with Shoman?
Bnoon (a Flex guy) sold them to me. I had to go find this thread to know what the offset is.

General Information / New wheels
« on: April 12, 2013, 12:32:53 PM »
I know wheels would normally be an aesthetic upgrade, but these are only 25.2 pounds each, so they're a performance upgrade as well!  :biggrin: They are 20x8.5 36 offset black Bullitt Motorsport replicas from American Muscle. They are so much lighter than the regulat Bullitt wheels even, let alone lighter than the stock wheels. I want to see.if 2754020 will fit, but that will have to wait since my current tires were brand new when I got this rig in January. Pics once I get them on!
2011 KONA BLU SHO,Livernois Tune,AIRAID CAI,DYNOMAX MUFFLEs,Newest member of the 12sec CLUB 12.669sec @ 107mph    2011 Ford Taurus SHO: 12.669 @ 105.050 MPH NEW FOR 2013LMS down-pipe,Magnaflow X-pipe,and Custom 2.5"exhaust pipe!! Meth and stage 5 next to be install!!!!!! METH DYNO TUNE today 405AWHP!!!WOW LMS track day 12.4209sec   :mike1:

BiGMaC

Woah Mama!... another inch of tread width without spacers!

•2013 Taurus SHO nonPP - All Ford factory options, 3BAR MAP, LMS v8 tune (mods for 3BAR, DPs, and T-stat), Paint & plastic correction, CQuart finest all exterior surfaces, limo black window tint,VLED Triton switchbacks, Daytime BrightLites switchback DRLs, full interior and exterior LED conversion, Lamin-X charcoal blackout tail lights and reflectors, PPE catted and coated downpipes, EBPP coated hotpipes with BoVs VTA, MDesign CAI
•2013 F250 CC Lariat 6.7EB Diesel -stock

shoman04

#74
Quote from: Frozen Taurus on January 21, 2014, 08:00:26 PM
Well after lots of thought I have decided to go with a staggered fitment of 20x10 rear with 275/40 and 20x8.5 front with 255/45 in the TSW Panorama

Weight of 20x8.5 is 23 lbs
weight of 20x10 is 26 lbs
IS YOU FINAL CIRCOMFERENCE THE SAME?!?! If they are not the same you will have problem with the AWD going in to limp home mod at the track.
http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/infoTireMath.do

2011 KONA BLU SHO,Livernois Tune,AIRAID CAI,DYNOMAX MUFFLEs,Newest member of the 12sec CLUB 12.669sec @ 107mph    2011 Ford Taurus SHO: 12.669 @ 105.050 MPH NEW FOR 2013LMS down-pipe,Magnaflow X-pipe,and Custom 2.5"exhaust pipe!! Meth and stage 5 next to be install!!!!!! METH DYNO TUNE today 405AWHP!!!WOW LMS track day 12.4209sec   :mike1: