XV1 requiring meth

[staged_sho]

http://www.ecoboostownerforums.com/forum/ecoboost-taurus-sho-mks-forum/ecoboost-sho-mks-general-discussion/53706-livernois-xv1-tune#post53706

Didn't see this mentioned here, FYI.

[DJE624]

Yeah, it's here somewhere.  Too bad.  But they say they will keep working on a version that doesn't require it.  It's kinda like waiting for the new model car.  We all want it now.   

[SwampRat]

Livernois posted this earlier in another thread

Unfortunately as to the release of XV1, it is going to require more ancillaries than originally thought. With the unique issues that have come to light with the cold weather, it has shown that we are at the limit of safe fuel delivery with our performance tunes already. Because of this, Xv1 will require methanol injection to utilize. We are working on other avenues for this to be able to be achieved without the use of methanol, but those are a long way off unfortunately. I understand the want and the frustration for the delay, but we would rather release XV-1 after its been complete and safe. One thing I am proud to say about our company is we will not just rush a tune out to the public without going over it with a fine tooth comb and test and retest to make sure it gets the most power out of the vehicle, yet still be 100% safe! It will require meth for the Explorer Sport, and the Taurus SHO and related vehicles (Flex, MKS, MKT). As for the F150, it is still in development, but as stated before, is only going to be released when perfect. I know it is frustrating, but please be patient. We just want to get everyone the best tune available, anything less would be a disservice to our customers.

[steve142857]

I have meth etc. I have been ready for almost a year (actually I am the one that asked for a tune like the XV1) and nothing yet, still the conservative tune... If they experience issues for non-meth, I wish they could release a meth XV1 to start.
After all, XV1 is the mkst aggressive at our own risks for tracking purposes... At that point, someone that is serious about tracking his SHO should consider meth. For the others, stage 4+ is already fun!
Just my .02... Come on LMS! You can do it... I give you until mid March before my tracking season starts again...

[DJE624]

I agree Steve.  4+ is a ball!  Mine just got a little tweak from my dyno pulls when I was out there so I am completely satisfied with it.  Not to say, I won't be keeping my eye out for the non-meth Xv1 someday.

[futat2]

Come on LMS! You can do it... I give you until mid March before my tracking season starts again...

Why don't you call him up and ask for a sponsorship? Maybe he can build you a XV1 tune and data log during races to help tweak it in real world applications. (AKA test mule with a benefit to you.)

[steve142857]

Come on LMS! You can do it... I give you until mid March before my tracking season starts again...

Why don't you call him up and ask for a sponsorship? Maybe he can build you a XV1 tune and data log during races to help tweak it in real world applications. (AKA test mule with a benefit to you.)

I already advertised for them with a windshield banner for more than two years... I already offered to be their guinea pig... I already went in person (20 hours drive) to have it dyno tuned and yet, 8 months later, they still haven't been able (and I'm ok with that... frustrated a bit at the beginning but better late than sorry) to tweak my conservative tune.
So not much more I can do. My conclusion is that they are very professional and want to maintain their solid reputation. But, XV1 is not their priority. They only have Dan as a tuner... they already offer good and safe tunes for ecoboost. That older tune is now profitable and XV1 is an extra for a bunch of us which won't bring them much extra business... They offer performance improvements for a lot of North American cars, not only ecoboost vehicles...
For the time that Dan can work, it is more profitable for LMS that he works on other things... That is why it is taking so long... Combined to the fact that 2013's EBs are more difficult to tweak.
So I am still hopeful that they can offer a XV1 with methanol for March, but I wouldn't bet on it...

[Darkside]

With this news, I wish they would then charge less than 3500 to install a meth setup.

[steve142857]

With this news, I wish they would then charge less than 3500 to install a meth setup.

You can always order them the kit (I believe they charge around 900$) and then have a local speed shop do the install if you can't do it yourself.
There is a how-to thread and the kit comes with instructions. It should take anywhere from 10-20 hours for the install. Around here, speed shop charge around 75$ per hour... probably a bit cheaper in the States, depending where you are... So you are looking at a 750-1500$ for the install, so all-in it should come to less than 2,500$, probably closer to 2,000$.
Since you already purchased a tune from LMS, they will send you an adapted file considering your new mod... By experience, no need to have it dyno tuned. The two times I drove 20 hours, it was worthless. The first time the can tune was already optimal apparently and the second time, Dan couldn't tweakt it too much, so he gave me a conservative tune which I am still running...
So I would suggest you to pull the trigger on the meth kit if you are intesrested and have it installed... There is a lot of power available after that mod...
I test drove a tuned SHO with intake and it felt very sluggish compared to mine with methanol. So really Worth the extra money, but gotta agree with you that their 3,500$ is a bit exagerated imo.
Cheers!

[DJE624]

I test drove a tuned SHO with intake and it felt very sluggish compared to mine with methanol.

Wow!  I can't imagine my SHO being considered sluggish.  It wails like a banshee. True you are a second faster than me.   

[BiGMaC]

I test drove a tuned SHO with intake and it felt very sluggish compared to mine with methanol.

Wow!  I can't imagine my SHO being considered sluggish.  It wails like a banshee. True you are a second faster than me.   

It's the meth!  You're getting spoiled Steve.  LOL

[Fast SHO]

There is a reputable shop in MD doing the kit install for $500.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Revolution-Automotive/150497078319630

[68_GT]

why don't they simply address the problem that goes along with the XV1 ? Fuel delivery ?

different fuel pumps, boost-a-pump etc

seems like a simple solution as a requiremment to run the XV1.

I already wonder if my SHO would benefit from a boost-a-pump with a stage 4 LMS tune in.

Sometimes it feels like its running out of gas. It gets stuck at 5K rpms and want accelerate past that rpm and almost feels like a rev limiter. Also sometimes it hesitates that I thoguht was spark blow out but I regapped my plugs to .28 and it's the same. Mainly happens on downshifts to 2nd.

[EcoPowerParts]

why don't they simply address the problem that goes along with the XV1 ? Fuel delivery ?

different fuel pumps, boost-a-pump etc

seems like a simple solution as a requiremment to run the XV1.

I already wonder if my SHO would benefit from a boost-a-pump with a stage 4 LMS tune in.

Sometimes it feels like its running out of gas. It gets stuck at 5K rpms and want accelerate past that rpm and almost feels like a rev limiter. Also sometimes it hesitates that I thoguht was spark blow out but I regapped my plugs to .28 and it's the same. Mainly happens on downshifts to 2nd.

Boost a pump won't do much as the pressure is set at 50 psi, doing a return system and upping the pressure makes a huge difference.
I have a solution, working on plug and play.

[68_GT]

why don't they simply address the problem that goes along with the XV1 ? Fuel delivery ?

different fuel pumps, boost-a-pump etc

seems like a simple solution as a requiremment to run the XV1.

I already wonder if my SHO would benefit from a boost-a-pump with a stage 4 LMS tune in.

Sometimes it feels like its running out of gas. It gets stuck at 5K rpms and want accelerate past that rpm and almost feels like a rev limiter. Also sometimes it hesitates that I thoguht was spark blow out but I regapped my plugs to .28 and it's the same. Mainly happens on downshifts to 2nd.

Boost a pump won't do much as the pressure is set at 50 psi, doing a return system and upping the pressure makes a huge difference.
I have a solution, working on plug and play.

how does one do that and how to get the benefit ? how do you up the pressure ? are you saying this is something you are working on for yourself, and the EB community ?

modding these cars can be frustrating..... I guess it's an ecoboost thing thanks to Ford making it so difficult !