Upgraded HPFP on its way!

[68_GT]

yes to be clear you can make more power in your tune if you run E85 to support the much increased timing. A pretty significant 50-60 hp. I saw it over and over agin on the SVTPerformance forums with the supercharged Cobras.

[SwampRat]

FoMoCoSho has been playing around with E85 blends for a while now . THERE is a lot of potential in blending , but NO MORE than a 30% E85 blend ..

learning as I go ..

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=354.0



Kinda scary but on my SHO's fuel inlet it is printed E85/E20 .... it think this is a part that should have been put on the base  Taurus models that are Flex Fuel ?!?!

[68_GT]

inside my fuel door it says no E85 / E10. It has the numbers with a red circle around them with a going diagnally line across it. Crossed out like don't use it. Of course we know what we can do. Seems like a simple big gain possibnle for us. I wonder if the DI injectors that are supposed to come out of they would be big enough for 100% E85 ? I dont want to mess with trying to blend it and keep it right. My wife drives mine frequently too.

[Josephm]

Regardless 100% percent E85 has caused issues to the HPFP in the mazda 2.3 DI that ford designed. 50% seems to be the sweet spot where there is no issues.

The added benefit from E85 is it has more octane and burns cooler. On my laptop"(on wifes) i have a ethanol calculator from FoMoCo thread to show you the increased octane from mixes of E85

[EcoPowerParts]

Regardless 100% percent E85 has caused issues to the HPFP in the mazda 2.3 DI that ford designed. 50% seems to be the sweet spot where there is no issues.

The added benefit from E85 is it has more octane and burns cooler. On my laptop"(on wifes) i have a ethanol calculator from FoMoCo thread to show you the increased octane from mixes of E85

Different animal I was on full E85 with no problems with my HPFP as our pump is sealed, Mazda is not.
Some misinformation here from crash I need to address:
1. If you're getting 18 mph you're going to lose about 30% so you'd be around 12.6 MPG  (I think around 6-8MPG in the V now on E85 but it's SO WORTH IT!)
2. It's more than the octane it's the ethanol content and the ability to cool the cylinders when it's sprayed, there's huge benefits to FI setup with E85.

I posted many technical documents about E85, running E85 in non E85 cars, power, tuning etc previously. There's also a ton of documentation on the web concerning it, heck even Ford prototyped a dual system, gas for fuel economy and E85 for times when at WOT for massive power increases.
I suggest you guys start doing the research on the topics, so much out there. Read up for a few days (or months like I did) and then revisit the idea.

In a nutshell, you can't run full E85 without at least the dual in tank pump setup, and that would only work on stock turbos.
You could run E48 (1/2 and 1/2 E85 and E10 regular gas mixed) on dual in tank pumps and stock DI setup, in my experience it will support around 500WHP.
You can mix to around E30 on stock turbos and a mild tune, E30 would be equivalent to driving around on 100 octane without having to pay the $7 a gallon I did.
I did run only 100 octane in my car for about 2 months ( I work from home so no DD required) and it was awesome, car LOVES octane but it loves E much better. Went from around 18 degrees of timing to 26 degrees on E85.
Long term to get big power and run E85 you'll have to go back to the aux injectors to make it happen, no way even with an upgraded DI pump and upgraded DI injectors to support 500 WHP on E85, not enough volume.

I wish we could figure out how to do a flex fuel sensor like my Caddy, if I put in E85 it reads it and adjusts timing/fuel automatically, put in 91 and it adjust again, any mix between E100 and E0 and the car knows via the sensor how much E content and will adjust. It's nice in case I'm on a trip and can't find E85 (wouldn't want to drive long distances on E85 - gas mileage in the V is horrible) but I do lose 50-60WHP on 91 octane so it's a tradeoff

[SHOdded]

A flex fuel sensor that would report to you on Torque or whatever scanner would be nice, especially since there is no telling about the actual ethanol content of fuel that you are filling up with.  Is it mounted in the fuel tank on the V?

[EcoPowerParts]

I've never seen below e70 in the Winter so we tune for that bit you can do a fast test at the pump if you carry your test kit with you.  Almost everyone tunes for e70 and if you have anything above it's not an issue

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[SHOdded]

Any recommended vendors for the test kit?  hint hint

[EcoPowerParts]

I am still trying to find a way to make a plug and play system.
I can offer the fuel pumps/install kit for the tank but you'll need to do the following:
Source a boost referenced fuel pressure regulator (any will work)
-6 line for front to rear and FPR to HPFP
connectors to adapt quick connect to -6
Here's the sucky part you'll have to tap into the factory harness, we cut it entirely on mine but you can tap into the wires to activate the relays needed to run the pumps.
This is why I haven't released it yet and I can't find the harness to make it plug and play. Maybe somebody can help me source the factory fuel pump connectors to be able to put it in line.
I highly suggest a fuel pressure sensor on the line as well and would work with the Aeroforce gauge. BTW, for Flex guys I believe it would be a clean fit loaded where the clock is in the center console (that's where I put my FPR gauge)

[SwampRat]

I am still trying to find a way to make a plug and play .

Here's the sucky part you'll have to tap into the factory harness, we cut it entirely on mine but you can tap into the wires to activate the relays needed to run the pumps.
This is why I haven't released it yet and I can't find the harness to make it plug and play. Maybe somebody can help me source the factory fuel pump connectors to be able to put it in line.

I am unclear as to the harness and plug location .
Are you wanting to T or Y into the plug in point to make it plug and play ?
Is it a Waterproof  Deutsch , Molex or some other funky Ford Proprietary connector ?
A pic would would be good  and I'll try to help ...

[EcoPowerParts]

I am still trying to find a way to make a plug and play .

Here's the sucky part you'll have to tap into the factory harness, we cut it entirely on mine but you can tap into the wires to activate the relays needed to run the pumps.
This is why I haven't released it yet and I can't find the harness to make it plug and play. Maybe somebody can help me source the factory fuel pump connectors to be able to put it in line.

I am unclear as to the harness and plug location .
Are you wanting to T or Y into the plug in point to make it plug and play ?
Is it a Waterproof  Deutsch , Molex or some other funky Ford Proprietary connector ?
A pic would would be good  and I'll try to help ...

The plug on top of the factory fuel pump.
I'm running a wrestling tournament so can't think about it now. I'll look at it sometime later.

[FoMoCoSHO]

A flex fuel sensor that would report to you on Torque or whatever scanner would be nice, especially since there is no telling about the actual ethanol content of fuel that you are filling up with.  Is it mounted in the fuel tank on the V?

All you have to do is find the MSDS sheet for the brand you are using. Speedway is 75/85 winter/summer

[FoMoCoSHO]

Funny story. When I went and filled up last week, my trims went a bit crazy, (25-27LTFT) then I realized it was march and they must've switched back to summer blend. Car was able to trim it out in a day so I'm back down to high teens now.  When I reran the calc #'s I was was a tad over 33% and 98 octane. FPR max is down to 2300ish. NO CEL! My fuel mileage has also recovered, I'm back over 19MPG which is up from the mid 17's when I bumped to E-29

I personally think Ford knows (at least with 2013's) that the SHOs are fine with E-85 blends but they know they can be turned into monsters with it and they don't want to deal with warranty and liability issues.

Strip opens 3/22 so we will see what happens. Ran 13.70 @ 102.39 with 93 so it will be interesting to see if Torque is lying about HP and TQ numbers with E-85.

I have no interest running 100% E-85 as I believe the law of diminishing returns is in play here.

At 30% I'm seeing timing advance where 4dr was at E100 (26 degrees)

Torrie is going to tune my car for the blend when I get my cutout back. I will report back on the blend sweet spot whenever that happens.

2010-2012 owners BE CAREFUL. 2013 have a beefed up LPFP so we have more PSI to start with.

[BiGMaC]

I personally think Ford knows (at least with 2013's) that the SHOs are fine with E-85 blends but they know they can be turned into monsters with it and they don't want to deal with warranty and liability issues.

Torrie is going to tune my car for the blend when I get my cutout back.

Interesting research FMCS!

As I understand it Ford is among a group of 10+ auto manufacturers that have publicized that the use of greater than recommended ethanol blends will void the warranty... They outlined their positions in press releases (I found it Googling after the vid here was posted)

A question if you will.... You know I want a cutout for my ride... have you discussed with Torrie about whether you'll need separate tunes for open and closed cutout to maximize performance?... It's the last pice of that saga that I wonder about.

[FoMoCoSHO]

I personally think Ford knows (at least with 2013's) that the SHOs are fine with E-85 blends but they know they can be turned into monsters with it and they don't want to deal with warranty and liability issues.

Torrie is going to tune my car for the blend when I get my cutout back.

Interesting research FMCS!

As I understand it Ford is among a group of 10+ auto manufacturers that have publicized that the use of greater than recommended ethanol blends will void the warranty... They outlined their positions in press releases (I found it Googling after the vid here was posted)

A question if you will.... You know I want a cutout for my ride... have you discussed with Torrie about whether you'll need separate tunes for open and closed cutout to maximize performance?... It's the last pice of that saga that I wonder about.

I have not and I've been asking myself the same.

My suspicion is no because all it does is make the engine super efficient while open. Hence the higher dynos at same boost PSI. Same boost, same fuel requirements.

Of course as I have said before, I could be completely wrong on some or ALL accounts.