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Torque Knock PID - may have some progress...

Started by ecoboostsho, November 08, 2013, 09:47:16 AM

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ecoboostsho

#15
I updated this thread.  I would recommend you change your knock formula in Torque to the following:

{Modified 8/8/2014 based on current knowledge of PID
Signed(A)/2+(B/512)

this will result in knock values measured in 1/4 degree increments. 
2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

glock-coma

I updated the pic formula as posted to 2 instead of 4 in the signed area.
Now I'm seeing +7 on the max.... Before the update I never went above + 3.5
Is this normal? It's pulling way too much timing if that's correct


2010 RCM non PP
K&N panel filter
sp534 @ 30
unleashed 93 performance+boost
more to come.....
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

ecoboostsho

I'm barely seeing any positive knock running the new formula. Always less than a degree...makes sense it doubled. You could double check with forscan if you have a laptop handy...

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2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

glock-coma

I only see the knock in 5th or 6th gear while Rpm is pretty low.
Unfortunately I do not have a  laptop. Only desktop , ipad , iPhone and android tablet
2010 red candy metallic non PP 402B
AJPTURBO 2 BAR Tune Stock 14.1@100.3 / Tuned 12.83@107.7
K&N panel, RX OCC, Sp-534 @.30 Tint 50%F-35%R BOV bypass
1997 SHO silver frost (sold)
1990 SHO triple black 5-speed (saved my life)

ecoboostsho

If it isn't at full throttle it shouldn't be nearly as concerning. Cylinder pressures would be much lower. You could have Torrie pull some timing in that rpm range if you are really worried about it. I get some part throttle knock as well...

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2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

ShoBoat

I tried this today, I got 0. The entire time while driving. I will confirm with Forscan. I know that I had a bit of a variance in the past when logging with Forscan.


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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

Larrylu

I have never gotten a reading with this PID. Even after altering the formula. I took advantage of the screen shot and matched item by item with mine. IDK?
2010 Loaded, Non PP, Steel Blue Metallic, Livernois Stage 4+, Blacked out grill, Nexus 7 Tablet running Torque Pro

ShoBoat

I did some logging with Forscan, and the knock sensor was doing it's thing. Ranging from +2 to -4, under WOT I had zero. It only pulled timing when under moderate load before downshifting. I will see if I can mess with the PID and equation a bit to get it working.
2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

ecoboostsho

This works for me in Torque. Weird. Do you guys get a response at all? Is there a tiny flashing green dot on the gauge showing that it is reading data? How fast is it blinking? Maybe your logging so many pids the refresh rate is very low. I only have 6 or less gauges on my screen at one time.

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2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

Larrylu

Yes I have a flashing green dot on all gauges including the knock retard.
2010 Loaded, Non PP, Steel Blue Metallic, Livernois Stage 4+, Blacked out grill, Nexus 7 Tablet running Torque Pro

ecoboostsho

Can you post a screen shot of the gauge config?

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2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

ShoBoat

Yup, the green light is on mine also. Here is the screen shot.




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2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.

Larrylu

Not sure if you wanted my screen shot but in case here it is.



My other gauges seem to be refreshing quickly enough.... No visible lags...
2010 Loaded, Non PP, Steel Blue Metallic, Livernois Stage 4+, Blacked out grill, Nexus 7 Tablet running Torque Pro

ecoboostsho

Mine looks just like that and works great...not sure what is going on.

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2013 White SHO w/PP, Gearhead Tuned, 3 Bar, 160T, Plugs...Mess with the Bull and you'll get the Horn. :)
Previous 2011 Tuxedo Black SHO w/PP - 12.89 1/4 Mile

ShoBoat

I got mine to work, I looked at your screenshot on the first page and and entered everything exactly the same. For some reason there was a space between signed and the (. Weird?
2012 Pearl White CTS-V Stock
2016 Fusion Titanium 2.0 EB Stock
2013 SHO Black on Black (Gone) PP, Unleashed Custom Tune, 170 TStat, SP534 Plugs, 3 Bar, Airaid Intake, PPE catted downpipes, Corsa Cat-back, H&R Springs. Focal 165KR Front Stage,2 JL W6 10 with Focal 800.1. 12.62 @ 110 mph.