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100% Methanol: Possible Benefit?

Started by SRT82ECOBOOST, October 21, 2013, 12:17:33 PM

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Outside the obvious performance oriented benefits of running 100% methanol compared to a 50% water/methanol mixture, is it also possible that a 100% methanol setup completely removes the chances of hydrolocking your engine that can occur with a 50% water/methanol mixture?
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You are missing my point.... I never had any issues until I both was running 100% denatured alcohol and LUGGING the vehicle to get some logs at low RPM.
This is not something one would ever experience unless you did what I did.  Effectively I got way too much fluid, gas and alcohol in the cylinders, relative to the amount that could be compressed without causing ring land fractures.  As I stated, my engine ran fine above 2500 rpm.  The fractures lowered the compression ratio at low rpm due to the air seaping by the rings.  At higher RPM the rings held the compression just fine.  One rod had a slight "S" bend that was almost invisible, unless you compared a straight one with it. Had some minor scuffing in that cyl on wall.

You are much more likely to fry a piston due to a lean condition, than what I did.

As for Methanol... anything 50% or more is flammable.  Obviously the higher the percentage, the higher the octane and the more flammability.  I had been running about 70% methanol, but I feel that the important thing is to be sure you are tuned for the % of methanol you are using.  50% - 75% -100% whatever...  The only reason one should consider 100% methanol is that we need more fuel if one is using a 3 bar sensor and seeing boost levels in the 17-19PSI or higher (depending on turbo output).

However, the 100% dentatured alcohol would have worked just fine had  I not lugged the engine.  It might not have performed as well as Methanol, but if tuned properly for it, it works almost as good, relative to it's octane.
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2009 Spt. Red G8 GT - modded. best time 12.074 & 114.02 MPH
2008 White G8 GT - mods... 8.32 1/8 mi.

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Fast SHO

I don't see any major benefit to running 100% v 50% other than cost and availability.

I ran a 50% solution of HEET and Windshield washer fluid in my Cobra.  Worked great and gave me exactly what I was looking for; lower intake temps and thus the ability to increase timing.
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BiGMaC

Quote from: EcoBrick Bob on October 21, 2013, 06:24:19 PM
You are missing my point.... I never had any issues until I both was running 100% denatured alcohol and LUGGING the vehicle to get some logs at low RPM.
This is not something one would ever experience unless you did what I did.  Effectively I got way too much fluid, gas and alcohol in the cylinders, relative to the amount that could be compressed without causing ring land fractures.  As I stated, my engine ran fine above 2500 rpm.  The fractures lowered the compression ratio at low rpm due to the air seaping by the rings.  At higher RPM the rings held the compression just fine.  One rod had a slight "S" bend that was almost invisible, unless you compared a straight one with it. Had some minor scuffing in that cyl on wall.

You are much more likely to fry a piston due to a lean condition, than what I did.

As for Methanol... anything 50% or more is flammable.  Obviously the higher the percentage, the higher the octane and the more flammability.  I had been running about 70% methanol, but I feel that the important thing is to be sure you are tuned for the % of methanol you are using.  50% - 75% -100% whatever...  The only reason one should consider 100% methanol is that we need more fuel if one is using a 3 bar sensor and seeing boost levels in the 17-19PSI or higher (depending on turbo output).

However, the 100% dentatured alcohol would have worked just fine had  I not lugged the engine.  It might not have performed as well as Methanol, but if tuned properly for it, it works almost as good, relative to it's octane.

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The only benefit  I see is the octane boost from the pure meth, you are loosing the heat disappating properties of the water mixed in though. I run 70/30 meth to water in my other car with great results. With our small IC core I would think some water mixed in would be ideal. Plus pure meth is corrosive and can wreak havoc on things that have rubber gaskets on the intake system. I have seen throttle position sensors rusted right out from meth/water gettings past rubber gaskets under boost on other cars.
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Diluting meth doesn't make it any less corrosive. At least that's what any classic car will tell you, as I hear how E10 ruins fuel systems in classic cars.

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Josephm

Quote from: crash712us on December 20, 2013, 10:44:27 PM
Diluting meth doesn't make it any less corrosive. At least that's what any classic car will tell you, as I hear how E10 ruins fuel systems in classic cars.

Methanol and Ethonal are different
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Quote from: Josephm on December 21, 2013, 02:37:51 AM
Quote from: crash712us on December 20, 2013, 10:44:27 PM
Diluting meth doesn't make it any less corrosive. At least that's what any classic car will tell you, as I hear how E10 ruins fuel systems in classic cars.

Methanol and Ethonal are different

Exactly!... Methanol and ethanol both get you drunk... but methanol makes you blind! :beer2:

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EcoBrick Bob

Ethanol for our vehicles has additives that will kill you...
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2009 Spt. Red G8 GT - modded. best time 12.074 & 114.02 MPH
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BiGMaC

EBB...   Can I borrow your stomach pump?  :icon_biggrin:

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mhenne4

As the resident ecoboost drunk, I can't condone drinking either meth or eth, that's bad mmmmmm-kay?

Stick with beer or if your feeling fancy crown royal.

Carry on

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EcoBrick Bob

Quote from: BiGMaC on December 21, 2013, 12:33:12 PM
EBB...   Can I borrow your stomach pump?  :icon_biggrin:

I shoulda used it Friday night... LOL  3 buck Chuck almost did me in!!!!
2010 Red Candy/White EB Flex.. World's first 12 second Brick.. 12.904 @ 106.85 MPH - October 2011
2009 Spt. Red G8 GT - modded. best time 12.074 & 114.02 MPH
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