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Outside Temperature inaccuracy

Started by Vortech347, October 27, 2016, 05:50:40 PM

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SHOdded

Hmmm.  Have to find what the FSM calls it, will chk later.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

SHOdded

Ok i think it is called the outside air temperature sensor possibly.  Anyway, found this discussion over on the Escape forum, might help here as well:
http://www.fordescape.org/forum/2013-2016-escape-general-discussion-forum/3362-external-temperature-reading-wrong-2.html?amp=1

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centex 01:18 PM 12-22-2013
Maybe more than you want to know about the outside air temp monitor, clipped from the 2013-2014 Ford Escape Workshop Manual, page 413-01:
Outside Air Temperature Display
The Ambient Air Temperature (AAT) sensor provides the Ambient Air Temperature (AAT) data used for the outside air temperature display in the IPC. The Ambient Air Temperature (AAT) sensor is hardwired to the PCM through separate input and return circuits. The PCM provides a reference voltage to the Ambient Air Temperature (AAT) sensor and monitors the change in voltage resulting from changes in resistance as determined by outside air temperature. The PCM filters the Ambient Air Temperature (AAT) input and sends the BCM the air ambient temperature filtered message over the HS-CAN. The BCM sends the air ambient temperature filtered message to the IPC over the MS-CAN.
Due to the location of the Ambient Air Temperature (AAT) sensor in the front grill area, it is greatly influenced by heat generated from the engine compartment at low vehicle speeds and at engine idle. For this reason the outside air temperature value displayed in the IPC does not update in the upward (hotter) direction under 33 km/h (20 mph). This update strategy is used because the PCM is unable to determine whether the increase in temperature is truly from an ambient temperature rise or by heat generated from the engine compartment.
The outside air temperature display in the IPC updates in the upward (hotter) direction under either of the following situations:
- if the vehicle is driven over 33 km/h (20 mph) continuously without the vehicle speed dropping below 33 km/h (20 mph) for approximately 90 seconds.
- if the vehicle is allowed to sit with the engine off for approximately 6 hours (the outside air temperature display in the IPC immediately updates to reflect the current ambient conditions since the engine has cooled sufficiently and no longer has an effect on the outside air temperature sensor reading).
NOTE: If the vehicle speed drops below 33 km/h (20 mph) before the outside air temperature display in the IPC begins to update, the PCM logic resets and the time starts over.
Because this filtering strategy exists, it may be necessary to drive the vehicle continuously above 33 km/h (20 mph) for approximately 90 seconds when observing the outside air temperature display operation. After the vehicle has been driven above 33 km/h (20 mph) for 90 seconds, the outside air temperature display in the IPC starts to rise (filter upward), increasing toward the actual outside air temperature. Depending on the difference between what the outside air temperature is displaying in the IPC and the actual outside temperature, it can take several minutes for the outside air temperature display in the IPC to reach the outside temp.
The outside air temperature display in the IPC does not filter in the downward (colder) direction and always displays the coldest temperature detected by the sensor even when the vehicle is stationary. When the outside Ambient Air Temperature (AAT) is lower than the temperature displayed in the IPC, the IPC immediately updates the displayed temperature downward to reflect the colder ambient air temperature, even at idle.
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Vortech347

Why in the F$@# Did they put it in such a stupid location when it's worked fine for 20 years in other spots?

This stuff is just aggravating.

I get in my car, it's 40* in the morning.  I start it.  Car says is 72*.  WHAT THE HELL.....
Matt H.
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2017 F150 XLT 5.0

SHOdded

Haven't pd attention to this phenomenon since it's been a while since I have had a vehicle that displays the ambient temp (tho I do see it while I log).  That said, I have not had an issue as far as I can remember with the AAT in the logs, always been very close to actual ambient, regardless of heat soak.  Maybe there is a ground issue, or like Z mentioned, a calibration issue?
2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

sholxgt

It wouldn't matter as much if it didn't affect the A/C.  They should not have tied the two together.  Driving for 10 minutes with the family complaining about the A/C not working while the car is reading that it's 70 outside when it's really 90 is BS!

Hitting the max A/C button gets the A/C working, but I should not have to do that.  Eventually it gets the temp right and the A/C returns to normal.

Dealer said it is normal and there's not a way to correct the issue.

Won't find that in a Honda, Toyota, etc.  These modern Ford's just seem to have way too many irritating issues.
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ZSHO

#20
I checked earlier and there are NO TSB or SSM'S related to the ambient temp sensor. :(  Z


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SHOdded

2007 Ford Edge SEL, Powerstop F/R Brake Kit, TXT LED 6000K Lo & Hi Beams, W16W LED Reverse Bulbs, 3BSpec 2.5w Map Lights, 5W Cree rear dome lights, 5W Cree cargo light, DTBL LED Taillights

If tuned:  Take note of the strategy code as you return to stock (including 3 bar MAP to 2 bar MAP) -> take car in & get it serviced -> check strategy code when you get car back -> have tuner update your tune if the strategy code has changed -> reload tune -> ENJOY!

Ramairetransam

my 13 mks eb is in the show for a vibration and got the driveshaft replaced . Picked it up stil have a vibration that i brought it there for and the temp sensor is screwed up . in the 8 restarts i did before i took it back to the shop monday night i only worked right twice .  So thats so annoying . Thursday morning and still no calls from the dealer if they fixed my issue .
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