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Hot side vs Cold side thermostat info

Started by EcoPowerParts, April 01, 2014, 12:51:12 PM

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From Reische on another forum:
Posted this in another thread but thought you guys might be interested:

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So in the hot-side system the thermostat is placed pre-radiator: coolant flows in from the side (GREEN/RED) and, depending on it's temp, coolant  is directed either up to the radiator to be chilled or if the coolant  is not hot enough, the thermostat stays closed and the coolant is  directed down through the bypass to recirculate.  Of course the thermostat will often run partially open, directing a little coolant to both paths.

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In the cold-side system coolant flows the opposite direction and the thermostat is post-radiator:  Unlike a hot-side thermostat, the bypass control (brass bottom) is not attached to the upper assembly/diaphragm and does not move when the thermostat opens.  It maintains contact so the bypass coolant can only flow up through the inside of the pipe, keeping the heat motor in direct contact with the bypass coolant temperature so the thermostat can function properly at all times. When the bypass coolant is hot enough the thermostat opens (bringing in chilled coolant from the radiator - BLUE); this also pushes the heat motor further down into the pipe which closes off the holes in the pipe for the bypass (RED) and shields it from the chilled coolant.  However a small amount of bypass coolant is allowed to  flow across the heat motor at all times so it can still monitor and  respond to changes in the coolant temp.

A hot-side thermostat can function in a cold-side setup to a large degree but there are some drawbacks:   When the thermostat opens some of the chilled coolant will mix in and expose the heat motor to cooler temps then it should be seeing to operate properly.  Cooler temps then force the thermostat to start closing prematurely and once this happens,   the hot bypass coolant will then start to make it open back up... and   the cycle repeats.   Another issue is the thermostat will always   struggle to stay fully open because as soon as the bypass is completely   shut off, the heat motor will no longer be exposed to hot coolant,   forcing it to close again.  The LMS/Even Flo thermostat attempts to   address this by placing 4 holes in the bypass valve but then you always   have a good amount of coolant recirculating through the bypass instead   of being directed through the radiator as it should be.

In my own real world testing with a hot-side thermostat in a cold-side application I found the primary drawback was the way it handled changing   conditions.  You could see a nice stable temp cruising down the  freeway  but as soon as you exited and started slowing down to a stop  the temp  would immediately spike up and it took a little time for it to   re-stabilize and cool back down.
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Larrylu

Very interesting Mike. Thanks for posting!
2010 Loaded, Non PP, Steel Blue Metallic, Livernois Stage 4+, Blacked out grill, Nexus 7 Tablet running Torque Pro

SwampRat

2013 SHO  ....  not mine anymore

2021 Edge ST

mjhpadi

Thanks for posting. What thermostat does the Ecoboost engine use?
2010 Candy Red SHO, Livernois Stage 4 Tune, Airaid CAI, Tinted Headlamps & Tails, LED Interior Lighting, LED Running Lights, LED Puddle and License Plate Lamps, LED DRL's, Window Tint, Rear Window Spoiler, V3 Triton Switchback Running Lights, Colgan Bra, Ford Racing Gauges (oil pressure, oil temperature, boost/vacuum)
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EcoPowerParts

From Joel:
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Hey guys Joel Miller from Reische here. Let's make one thing absolutely clear, we still remain the only company that currently produces a low temp thermostat that is specifically designed for 3.5L EcoBoost transverse applications. LMS thermostat is made for a hot-side application (not a true direct replacement at all), it will function but not as well as a proper cold-side thermostat. I'm also going to disagree about the use of 160* thermostats for street use. We chose 170* as the best overall compromise for all season use. A 160* may cause problems in cooler weather depending on the tune programming, definitely wouldn't try it stock.

As far as special gaskets, only our Ford-50 unit (F150 EcoBoost) does not use the OEM o-ring but a (Stant 25282 or Gates 33619) comparable gasket which should be available at most auto parts suppliers. Gaskets are included in our thermostat kits so I don't see why this would be an issue anyway.

I believe LMS has made these substitutions based primarily upon profit margin, our thermostats are modified by hand and not cheap. I personally stand behind our products 100% and am willing to offer a lifetime warranty to the members of this forum who have purchased a genuine Reische product. Thank you for your support and any of you are welcome to call us at 661-414-2116 with any questions or concerns.
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wasinger3000

#5
This cleared things up for me. http://www.reischeperformance.com/tstatinfo.html

13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.

panther427

Good read and nice visual aid.  Wonder why water wetter isn't recommended for coolant mixes over 40% antifreeze?
2013 SHO

wasinger3000

Quote from: panther427 on May 28, 2014, 12:11:25 PM
Good read and nice visual aid.  Wonder why water wetter isn't recommended for coolant mixes over 40% antifreeze?

I was wondering the same thing. I've had good results with Lucas coolant additive. I tested it on aluminum and flash point before I used it.
13' SHO, Non-PP, Tuned by Torrie, Meth injection, 3 bar, 170* stat, custom axle back exhaust, Prosport Boost gauge.
15' F150 Lariat Sport, all the options, 3.5L Eco. (fiancée ride.)
13' GTCS, will be missed.