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Ecoboost Performance => Datalogging and Gauges => Topic started by: ecoboostsho on June 07, 2014, 04:59:06 PM

Title: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 07, 2014, 04:59:06 PM
I finally spent some time this weekend trying out an idea I had and I believe it is working so far.  I am reverse engineering a few of the PIDs with a serial protocol analyzer and a scan tool that requests the information.  I basically request a parameter one PID at a time and capture the response from the car which includes the original PID and the value.  As such I am fairly confident in the PID however the "math" part of the equation is more challenging.  Here is what I have confirmed so far...

*Disclaimer - While these were originally done on my 2011 SHO I have since purchased a 2013 SHO model and have tested almost all of them and they are the same with notable exceptions (AWD, Tire Pressure). That said you should verify they will work with your car first. The 2013+ cars have a BCM (in lieu of a smart junction box) which may require different PIDs for some parameters. Additionally, I see no reason why they shouldn't be the same for the Flex, MKS, and possibly even other EcoBoost platforms.  As always do not tweak these while moving. ;)

Instructions for adding the PIDs to Torque are at the bottom of this post. 

For Anyone interested in trying this yourself here is how I am approaching this:

First you will need an OBDII adapter...I highly recommend the MX adapter because of its speed and ability to access the HSCAN AND MSCAN buses.  Although torque can't explicitly access the MSCAN bus other software such as http://forscan.org (http://forscan.org) can.  I purchased my MX from http://scantool.net (http://scantool.net)  I got the Bluetooth model and use it with my Android Phone.

Torque can be downloaded from the App store.  There are two versions - one is free and the other is "paid" but it's only like $5 and well worth it as I don't think you can add custom PIDs with the Free version.

If you are willing to you can download a free serial port sniffer - I used this one.  http://freeserialanalyzer.com/ (http://freeserialanalyzer.com/)

It has some limitations (30 minute max session time) but works really well and even sees Bluetooth COM port data.  You basically install that on the same laptop as you have your Scanning Software (Forscan works great).  You start Forscan and connect it to the car.  Then select the PID you are after (and just that PID).  Now before you hit the "start" button in Forscan you want to fire up the serial analyzer and then "connect" to the COM port that Forscan is using (this will vary).  Select "Packet View" and then "start" capturing data.  Switch back to Forscan and then start capturing the PID.  You literally need a couple of seconds of data as it will create a lot of lines in the serial analyzer very quickly.

Now comes the fun part.  Using the serial analyzer you can look at the data captured line by line.  You should see alternating Reads and Writes.  When the scantool is requesting a PID it will always start with "22xxxx" where the xxxx is the actual PID for whatever you were scanning.  The response will always be "62xxxx" which will include the same PID.  The next several bytes include the response from the car and they are always in Hexidecimal. 

In some cases you may need to determine the "Module" (i.e. ECU, BCM, 4x$) address.  If you go back to the very beginning of the lines in the serial analyzer you will see a set of ASCII codes it sends to the car to set up the PIDs it is requesting.  You are looking for a line right a the beginning that includes the following:
STCAFCP761, 726.  In this example the 761 is the module address of the AWD unit in a 2011 Taurus.  726 is the address of the scantool I believe.  If you find this command look for the 3 digits right after the STCAFCP...  That should be the module address you are after.  You take this and plug that 3 digit number in to the "Header" portion of Torque.  Add your PID and equation and you should be good to go.

I know that is a lot of info to digest but it isn't as complicated as it sounds once you get in to it.  The hard part is actually figuring out the equation.

2010+ Taurus pids

Knock 

Notes on how this PID works: This PID will vary from -4 to +7.5 although we have some people that say they've seen a -5.  If the number is negative then it is adding timing in real time (this is good)...if it is positive it is knocking (this is bad).   A couple of degrees isn't a big deal and the general consensus seems to be under 5 should be okay if you aren't highly modified.  The ECU is supposedly able to subtract a maximum of 7.5 degrees of timing and won't read any higher (not verified by me personally and may be tune dependent).

Most of the knock I see is at part throttle (less than 2 degrees) and isn't a big deal unless you are maxing out the gauge then something worth looking in to may be going on.  Knock at WOT is more important to monitor.

One note:  Do NOT use spaces in the equation and pay careful attention to the () or you will get weird results.

PID 2203EC
Torque Equation -  ((signed(A)*256)+B)/512 

Note: Many people find the logic Ford used "backwards" and think that a positive number should be adding timing and a negative number should mean knock.  This is a totally valid approach and you can easily change the formula to accommodate that by using the following formula:

Torque Equation -  ((signed(A)*256)+B)/-512

You can think of this as Cylinder Ignition correction - If it is positive then it is adding timing (good) if it is negative is subtracting timing (Bad)

Whatever way you decide to use it is just fine but make sure you remember :)  For the record I have switched to the second way as i find it more intuitive.

Transmission Temperature
"OBD2 Mode and PID"  =  221E1C
"Long Name" = Trans Temp
"Short Name" = Trans T
"Minimum Value" = -40
"Maximum Value" = 260
"Scale Factor" = 1
"Unit Type" = deg
"Equation" = (((signed(A)*256)+B)*(9/8)+320)/10

Gear Selection Indicator (GEAR_OSC officially) Tells  you what Forward gear you are in i.e. 1-6
PID 221e12
Torque Equation    A

Gear Ratio
PID 221E19 
Torque equation: ((A*256)+B) / 4096
1st 4.484
2nd 2.872
3rd 1.842
4th 1.414
5th 1.000
6th 0.742
Reverse -2.882 (not sure Reverse really works yet but it shows "0")

Trans Gear
PID 221e23
70 indicates "Park"
60 Indicates "R"
50   Indicates "N"
46 Indicates "D"
10 Indicates "M"

Fuel Pump pressure "desired" Fuel pump PID discussion starts on page 10 (This probably isn't terribly interesting until you compare it against measured fuel pressure (which is already available in Torque).  Most of us won't have an issue with this unless you are running Ethanol blends and are worried about running out of pump capacity.  I'm venturing a large discrepancy between Desired and Measured would be "bad".

Name:  High Pressure Fuel Pump Desired
PID:  2203dc
torque Equation: ((256*A)+b)*10*.145  readout in PSI.
Unit: PSI

High Pressure Fuel Pump Rail Actual  (Already in Torque but I am calling it out specifically)
Name: Fuel Pump Rail Pressure2
PID: 22F423
Equation:  ((256*A)+b)*10*.145  readout in PSI.
Unit: PSI

Differential Fuel Pump Pressure (Uses two previous PIDs to calculate a Torque "Virtual PID" and display the results!)
PID:
Name: Fuel Pressure Differential
Equation:  (VAL{High Pressure Fuel Pressure Desired})-(VAL{High Pressure Fuel Pressure Actual})
Unit: PSI

IAT1 (temp sensor directly after airbox/filter)  Temperature sensor discussions occur on pages 2,4 and 6.
PID: 22F40F
Equation: (A-40)*1.8+32
Deg.: Farenheit

Intercooler (CAC) - I believe this equation is fairly accurate at this point but it was "Interpreted" so it may be off a tiny bit.  This sensor is right before the throttle body and after the intercooler.  It is also a stock 3 BAR pressure sensor.

Charge Air Cooler PID 220461
Torque Equation (((signed(A)*256)+B)/64)*1.8+32


IAT2 This sensor is on top of the intake manifold and is also a pressure sensor.  This is the sensor that many people are swapping out for a "3 Bar".

PID 2203CA
Equation (A-40)*1.8+32  in Deg. F

Waste Gate % Discussion occurs on page 2, and 18.
PID 220462
Equation: A/128*100

AWD module PWM Modulation of rear clutch %   Discussion occurs on pages 4, 9, and 14.
Returns a number that indicates how much the rear clutch is being directed to lock up and thus send power rearward.  Note this PID is not available on some 2013+ cars as apparently the PIDs weren't loaded from the factory.  There is a TSB to add them 12-7-3 that can be performed at the dealer. Discussion is on pages 22 and 23.

Note that the header and PID values will need to be changed from 2010-12 models to the 2013+ models.

2011 Info
PID 22D128
Formula A/256*100
Header  761

2013 Info
PID 22D1e63
Formula A/256*100
Header:  (leave it blank for 2013+)

2011 only:
AWD Status (1=on/0=off)
PID: 22191C
Equation: ((265*A)+B)/32768
Header: 761

Learned Octane ratio  (See this thread for Explanation)
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=4675.msg73674#msg73674 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=4675.msg73674#msg73674)

Another note on LOR - It appears to only look at knock seen under 4k RPM and 1.5 load (Credit to AJPTurbo) in other words at part throttle conditions.  It won't look at WOT knock and adjust the LOR directly however if your LOR does change it is believed to affect your WOT timing.

PID 2203E8
Formula - (Signed(A)*256+B)/16384

Fuel level {Already in Torque, but this did work for me}
22f42f
(A/255*100)

ACC PEDAL POSITION % 

PID  22032B
Formula = "A/256*100" <-- try this formula it works. (FF = 256.. so if 256/2 = 128 points)
note that this value = 0 when you are using cruise control as it measure actual pedal position of the accelerator. This position % is the raw read of the pedal position.  Note that this will not ever exceed 80% as that is considered fully open.  I thought this was silly since it's accelerator pedal position (and not throttle body) so I use a formula of A/2 which gets you a decimal range from 0 to 100 when fully open.  It isn't technically correct but makes more sense to my brain. :)

Variable Camshaft Actual advance (there are actually two of these - one for each cam.  This is #1)
PID: 220318
Equation: Signed(A)/16 

RPM (Already in Torque but this is the Ford PID which may respond faster and eliminate lag?)
PID: 22F40C
Equation: A/4
Units: RPM

DTC Count (Note this includes DTC's that don't light the MIL lamp)
PID:22D137
Equation: A

Knock Sensor 1 Raw Data
PID: 220403
Equation: A

Knock Sensor 2
PID: 220404
Equation: A


Desired Boost Discussion on pages 13 and 14
I've been messing with the "Desired Boost" PID and it has been driving me crazy, but I think I've finally figured it out for anyone that cares!  It was never matching the boost gauge in Torque and didn't seem linearly related at all so I couldn't figure out the equation.  Then I stumbled on a PID called "Throttle Inlet Pressure Sensor".  If you remember our cars have (at least) two pressure sensors (there is an additional one for barometric pressure as well someplace) - one sitting on top of the manifold (also combined with IAT2) and one right before the throttle plate.  I figured out the throttle plate PID (22033E) and watched that and sure enough that is what tracks to "Desired Boost".  It makes sense actually since there would be a pressure drop across the throttle plate depending on how far it was open (and max is only 80% anyway).  So bottom line is the MAP sensor on top of the manifold will probably never match "Desired Boost" - although it should get close at WOT. I'm also guessing manifold pressure will be lower since air is being sucked out of the intake manifold and in to the valves - that and the combined larger volume of the manifold.

Application: You could create a differential gauge as discussed previously to see if your turbos were keeping up with the requested boost - could be useful to discover boost leaks etc...

Desired Boost
(This won't read vacuum but does vary slightly with barometric pressure - note I am manually subtracting 14.7 psi from this equation so zero boost is actually 0 and not atmospheric pressure of 14.7 psi.  You can keep these in kpa by deleting the *.145-14.7 you just need to be consistent with all of your formulas)

PID: 220466
Equation: ((256*A)+B)/128*.145-14.7
Deg: PSI

Throttle Inlet Pressure Sensor
PID: 22033E
Equation: ((256*A)+B)/128*.145-14.7
Deg: PSI

Intake Manifold pressure - i.e. Boost Gauge Discussed on page 14 (already in Torque with a different PID.  I would actually recommend using Torque's built in boost gauge over this one as I believe the one in Torque is correctly compensating for actual barometric pressure.  If you knew the correction factor for your elevation you could adjust the 14.7 number in the equation below and it should close enough.  In MN at my elevation it was off by about a 1/2 PSI)
PID: 22F40B
Equation: A*.145-14.7

Catalyst Temp (Already in Torque)
PID:  22F43C
Equation: ((((256*A)+B)/10)-40)*1.8+32
Units: Deg. F

Torque Control Requested (Used during shifting to reduce torque...aka torque management.)
2203AF  returns 0 with car off...Determined this just tells you where the torque reduction request came from...i.e. Transmission, Lean Decel, Tip in...not terribly interesting so I'm leaving it alone for now.

Misfire Monitor
PID 220700
Response of "0" is interpreted from a scan tool response of 00820000 - need to figure this one out but my car never misfires...so may be challenging.

Misfire Trips  This is an incremental counter that will keep counting up (larger value) as long as you don't have any significant misfire events during the current drive cycle.  If it sees too many misfires then it will reset to 0.  I use this to make sure the car is running properly and this way you only have to check it every so often rather than catch misfires as they happen (although severe misfires will set other codes and you will probably notice them)
PID 2216DC
Equation: (256*A)+B

Current Misfires
PID 220345
Equation (256*A)+B  ?? (still investigating as this may return 4 bytes of data which would require the use of the C and D variables in the equation)  Car isn't misfiring so it is difficult to test...

Injector Fault (Note this is "bit encoded" so it will need interpretation...) May have to create a separate gauge for each injector...
PID: 220394
Equation: {Still working on it}  It returns 00000000 which I believe represents up to 8 cylinders (we obviously only have six) so a 00000001 means cylinder 1.  00000010 means 2 etc...?

Tire pressures: Discussed in detail on page 5.

6/12/14 update on Tire Pressures:  We can't get Torque to respond to these PIDs for the 2011 as I believe they are in a different module that it refuses to access...the 2011's are on MSCAN which may be preventing it and the 2013's have a BCM on the HSCAN which means the address is probably different.  No luck for now...

2013+ tire pressures (psi):

LFTP
PID: 222813
Equation: (((256*A)+B)/3+22/3)*0.145

LRTP
PID: 222816
Equation: (((256*A)+B)/3+22/3)*0.145

RFTP
PID: 222814
Equation: (((256*A)+B)/3+22/3)*0.145

RRTP
PID: 222815
Equation: (((256*A)+B)/3+22/3)*0.145

Why can't I see ....?
Many people have asked for certain gauges such as oil pressure, oil temperature, and exhaust gas temperature.  They aren't available via any scan tool for one simple reason.  The physical sensors don't exist on the SHO.  If the ECU doesn't have a sensor to read there definitely won't be a PID to grab for it.

PID Installation Instructions:

{Updated file 9/9/2015}
Bulk Import: (Note I’m not sure this will really be easier for someone that isn’t a little familiar with windows and basic computer functions.  You may be better off manually entering them one at a time – see procedure below.)

The following will let you add all of the PIDs defined in this post to Torque via the “Import” feature on Torque.

Your first step is to hook up your phone to your computer via a USB cable (the one you more than likely charge your phone with).  You can do this in other ways as well but you need to put the attached “Ford EcoBoost Ext PIDs.csv” file in the proper Torque directory on the phone. Open up a file explorer and then navigate to the drive letter that is your phone.  You should see some directories (varies by phone and number of storage cards).  Torque should be on your internal SD card (Unless you told it to go someplace else or your phone directed it there) and the directory you are looking for is labeled “.torque”.  If you don’t see .torque you are going to have to “show hidden files” in windows explorer – this varies by version so I suggest you Google it.  You then select the “Extended PIDs” directory.  Copy the attached file in to that directory and then disconnect your phone.

Once that file is there you can select the “settings” menu off the main screen…scroll down to “Custom PIDs” and then “Import”.  You should see “Taurus PIDs” listed in the menu.  Select them and then go add them to your screen!

WARNING: You may choose to “clear the list” of the existing custom PIDs to keep things cleaned up, but keep in mind this will strand any gauges you already have on the screen unless they are named exactly the same as in the import file.  This means you will have to add them back to the screen one at a time and you may be “irritated”. :)


Adding a single PID:
Add a custom PID in Torque by going to the "Settings" section off the main screen.
Enter the following for the fields it prompts you for:
"OBD2 Mode and PID"  =  221E1C
"Long Name" = Trans Temp
"Short Name" = Trans T
"Minimum Value" = -40
"Maximum Value" = 260
"Scale Factor" = 1
"Unit Type" = deg
"Equation" = (((signed(A)*256)+B)*(9/8)+320)/10
Leave the OBD Header blank

Adding gauges to your Torque Screen:

Go to the Realtime Information display from the main menu and then find a place on the screen you’d like to put your new gauge.  Long press and then “Add Display”.  Pick a gauge type and then scroll to find your new PIDs.  Position it on the screen and then repeat the whole process until your gauges are all populated on the screen.

*Final note.  If you open the .CSV file in Excel be careful as it will immediately interpret two of the PIDS as “exponential notation” and hose them up…You can open the file without issue just don’t save it unless you know what you are doing!  Your safest bet is to open it with Notepad :)

12/31/2015 Update: Fixed the Knock formula one last time to be consistent with other threads.  Also updated attached file to include both 2010-12 and 2013+ specific PIDs.  You will obviously only be able to use the PIDs that correspond to your year.

Title: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: glock-coma on June 07, 2014, 05:02:38 PM
ecoboostsho,
once again your the man.  Thank you for working on this.


Edit: subscribed!!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 07, 2014, 05:45:09 PM
Really great work! Awesome!


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 07, 2014, 08:08:05 PM
Any chance someone would know the equations for C instead of F?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 07, 2014, 08:09:38 PM
Just drop off the "*1.8+32" part. They are inherently in C.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 07, 2014, 08:10:46 PM
Sweet thanks!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 07, 2014, 08:20:39 PM
Great work!  Can't wait to try some of these. Tomorrow for sure. Thank you,thank you!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 08, 2014, 06:31:59 AM
Wish I could be of more help in this project cause I'm sure enjoying the results. In that spirit it seems the best I can do is try plugging the PID's in ASAP and giving you back my observed results for what ever aid that can be. My extended testing results on the knock PID is just non responsive. Tough because a non response is the desired reading, but a hick up once in a great while would be reassuring that it indeed was functioning.
I will try the edit on the knock PID, and I'll try the Cyl head temp, the charge air temp, maybe the IAT2 (especially neat if we find out where that sensor is residing)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 08, 2014, 07:17:33 AM
Larry - The Knock pid should give you values if you just drive around on the interstate at light throttle.  You should see negative numbers which means it is adding timing...positive numbers are what you want to avoid during WOT.  That said I never see those much either.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 08, 2014, 07:21:12 AM

Larry - The Knock pid should give you values if you just drive around on the interstate at light throttle.  You should see negative numbers which means it is adding timing...positive numbers are what you want to avoid during WOT.  That said I never see those much either.

Must be something wrong with my set up because I never see any activity ....at all!
Will recheck everything.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 08, 2014, 07:25:05 AM
IAT2 is reading after the CAC at least that's the way it is in Forscan. I have done data logging with both IAT and IAT2 the second is always higher than the first. I also forgot to reconnect the sensor just before the throttle body and I got a 0 reading and error code to go with it.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 08, 2014, 07:26:50 AM
Cool. That would be the more critical temp I would think...not that it isn't interesting to see the  intercooler in action.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 08, 2014, 07:33:51 AM

Cool. That would be the more critical temp I would think...not that it isn't interesting to see the  intercooler in action.

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Exactly, I will try to work out the delta between the 2. I would guess this would have an impact at the track. What would be really cool if we had a way to trig the fans to high speed when in the line for a run at the track. I had noticed how the IAT2 temp climbed like crazy before a run when I was data logging with my lap top last year. This is also true as my best time was doing back to back runs with minimal time before the next run. 


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 08, 2014, 07:41:04 AM
Come to think of it, I recall speaking to a fellow at the track with a 300SRT8 (2013?) and his hand held tuner was able to turn on the fans at will.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 08, 2014, 07:43:12 AM
We could do this via the PCM if we knew the PID and the bits to set...assuming we had a program that could transmit that on the CAN bus. I know Torque can do that for predefined tests and such but I don't know about individual PIDs...

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 08, 2014, 08:24:10 AM

IAT2 is reading after the CAC at least that's the way it is in Forscan. I have done data logging with both IAT and IAT2 the second is always higher than the first. I also forgot to reconnect the sensor just before the throttle body and I got a 0 reading and error code to go with it.
If IAT2 is after the CAC, what is the difference between that and the Charge Air Temp?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 08, 2014, 08:58:24 AM


IAT2 is reading after the CAC at least that's the way it is in Forscan. I have done data logging with both IAT and IAT2 the second is always higher than the first. I also forgot to reconnect the sensor just before the throttle body and I got a 0 reading and error code to go with it.
If IAT2 is after the CAC, what is the difference between that and the Charge Air Temp?

I would assume that it's the temp of the CAC it's self. I dunno if there is a sensor there. I believe that that the map sensors can also read temperature. Hence the 0 temp reading I got above when I disconnected the map sensor right before the TB. Now that you mention it. The sensor before the TB could be CAC temp and the one in the top of the intake could be IAT2.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 08, 2014, 09:48:30 AM
Torque has advanced plugins for just about every other manufacture out there. See below for the Nissan adv plugin. But not ford?

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/09/hamaguge.jpg)

The IAT2 seems to be working correctly. However ambient was acting weird. Ambient was 17C but I was getting a reading of 13C?

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/09/jy5ymeme.jpg)


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 08, 2014, 02:15:01 PM
I can confirm that IAT1 is the sensor in the air box, CAC is just after the CAC just before the TB and IAT2 is the one on top of the intake manifold. Readings as follows IAT1 21C CAC 33C a and IAT2 41C ambient was 18C. At the time of the sample. According to Forscan.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 08, 2014, 02:33:11 PM
Well I added a couple of gauges to my display and tweaked/rearranged. It will take a while to get used to the new arrangement.
About the ambient, you can see that the OE displays a temp at the top of the NAV screen. That NAV temp is almost always cooler than the Torque Ambient. Must be two sensors/locations. I think one is right side in front of the radiator. That is the only one I have found.
I'm still puzzled by the CAC reading. It seems to read a temp unrelated to the two IAT's although cooler so it must be reading the CAC temp rather than the air going through it. I would have imagined air temp readings at all three points. Actually four points if you count the ambient.
The Cyl head temp appears to be reading the exact same as the coolant temps for me too. Makes me wonder which of the readings is in error.

(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/larry114/d49d539568d15687afeb477e33b7a2a9_zps0ea03af9.jpg)

Couple of hours of messing with the Nexus and a whole new look. Gotta love it!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on June 08, 2014, 04:22:15 PM
Kolk1 had hardwired a switch to control the fans at the track some time ago.  Hope he will chime in with his experience.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 08, 2014, 06:11:27 PM
Something like this?

http://www.allfordmustangs.com/Detailed/499.shtml


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 05:46:48 AM
That's a lot of gauges Larry!  I like it. :) 

I figured out the wastegate status %:
PID 220462
Formula A/128*100

I also found the PID for the PWM modulation of the rear clutch.  PWM = Pulse Width Modulation...it sends more current to the rear clutch to tell it to "lock up" more and engages the AWD.  0% is not engaged and 100% is obviously full engaged.  I haven't tried to see if Torque can actually read the 4x4 module or not as this parameter isn't in the PCM.  Still have to figure out the formula but since its a percentage it shouldn't be hard.

AWD PWM Clutch Status
PID  22D128
Formula TBD
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 05:47:56 AM
I also don't know that the CAC and IAT2 readings don't make sense...the air would be at its coolest right out of the intercooler.  IAT2 is literally sitting on top of the hot intake/motor and the air has to travel in a pipe (no matter how short) to get there which will cause additional heating.  I actually think it is probably pretty close.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 05:53:09 AM
Misfire Monitor
PID 220700

Returns a very long response of "00820000"  indicating 0 misfires on the scantool.  Need to think about this one for a bit.

I am also updating the original (1st) post so you don't have to go hunting through all of the individual posts to pull everything together.

I have an excel CSV file I am working on that will just let you import all of these in Torque as well.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 09, 2014, 07:04:50 AM

I also don't know that the CAC and IAT2 readings don't make sense...the air would be at its coolest right out of the intercooler.  IAT2 is literally sitting on top of the hot intake/motor and the air has to travel in a pipe (no matter how short) to get there which will cause additional heating.  I actually think it is probably pretty close.

I'm not sure about this one, when taking the readings with Forscan CAC is higher than IAT1 and then IAT2 is a bit higher than that, maybe someone on here can give us some more info on this. Which to me makes sense, I believe that the CAC cannot cool the air after the turbos even close to ambient.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 07:41:51 AM
Okay I actually agree with you - I just didn't state it very well.  I guess I meant to say the CAC should be the coolest of the two readings between CAC and IAT2.  I did not mean to imply it would be ambient.  That said if you aren't creating boost then the air isn't being compressed and therefore very little heat would get added by the turbochargers.  I can see the CAC temp being close to ambient in this situation.  Now if you are getting on the car then the temp should definitely rise above ambient (and it seems to?).
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 09, 2014, 08:06:19 AM
This morning test ride at one point showed ambient at 68, IAT 1 at 79, CAC at 35, and IAT 2 at 116.  Hate to add my confusion to the mix but my IAT readings all make sense to me but the CAC seems way cool. Like way lower than ambient. Now if the CAC was chilled and we were reading CAC chiller temp and not CAC air temp, all my readings would be making perfect sense. The CAC is not chilled....right?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 08:30:41 AM
Larry.  CAC is in degrees C. Multiply by 1.8 +32

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 09, 2014, 08:39:48 AM
I see. OK I'll change that right now!  Thanks for the assist!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 08:50:15 AM
I should have been consistent but forgot to convert that one. Apologies.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 09, 2014, 08:52:45 AM
No apology needed. If were more adept at this I'd have seen that myself. Still it was kind of neat wondering if we had a chiller...if only for a moment. LOL,
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: QuickSilver on June 09, 2014, 09:21:25 AM
Larry, when you say you 'added a couple of gauges' how did you do that? My Torque Pro app doesn't offer CAC or IAT2.  Did you add the PID's or what was the process?  Keep it 5th grade level if you can, I'm a hardware/pull a motor kinda guy not a software/write code kinda guy :-[
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 09, 2014, 09:43:22 AM
QuickSilver I'm the student in this thread just following instructions.   One of the first thing you run into with Torque Pro is the lack of some of the cool gauges that other Mfgs seem to have out there but not for us Ford folks. It seems Ford PID's are very hard to come by. Then ecoboostsho decides to singlehandedly make some PID's available for the rest of us grateful users by reverse engineering. He has already put out some very good instructions for using the "add custom PID" menu in Torque and you should be able to easily find it.  If not ...speak up. Someone will help. I will pause to let more knowledgeable people handle your questions
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: EcoPowerParts on June 09, 2014, 09:46:51 AM
Great job on this! Next step will be to make a csv file so people can easily import the PIDs into Torque
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
PID Installation Instructions: (also updated in first post)

Bulk Import: (Note I’m not sure this will really be easier for someone that isn’t a little familiar with windows and basic computer functions.  You may be better off manually entering them one at a time – see procedure below.)

The following will let you add all of the PIDs defined in this post to Torque via the “Import” feature on Torque.

Your first step is to hook up your phone to your computer via a USB cable (the one you more than likely charge your phone with).  You can do this in other ways as well but you need to put the attached “Taurus PIDs.csv” file in the proper Torque directory on the phone. Open up a file explorer and then navigate to the drive letter that is your phone.  You should see some directories (varies by phone and number of storage cards).  Torque should be on your internal SD card (Unless you told it to go someplace else or your phone directed it there) and the directory you are looking for is labeled “.torque”.  If you don’t see .torque you are going to have to “show hidden files” in windows explorer – this varies by version so I suggest you Google it.  You then select the “Extended PIDs” directory.  Copy the attached file in to that directory and then disconnect your phone.

Once that file is there you can select the “settings” menu off the main screen…scroll down to “Custom PIDs” and then “Import”.  You should see “Taurus PIDs” listed in the menu.  Select them and then go add them to your screen!

WARNING: You may choose to “clear the list” of the existing custom PIDs to keep things cleaned but keep in mind this will strand any gauges you already have on the screen unless they are named exactly the same as in the import file.  This means you will have to add them back to the screen one at a time and you may be “irritated”. :)


Adding a single PID:
Add a custom PID in Torque by going to the "Settings" section off the main screen.
Enter the following for the fields it prompts you for:
"OBD2 Mode and PID"  =  221E1C
"Long Name" = Trans Temp
"Short Name" = Trans T
"Minimum Value" = -40
"Maximum Value" = 260
"Scale Factor" = 1
"Unit Type" = deg
"Equation" = (((signed(A)*256)+B)*(9/8)+320)/10
Leave the OBD Header blank

Adding gauges to your Torque Screen:

Go to the Realtime Information display from the main menu and then find a place on the screen you’d like to put your new gauge.  Long press and then “Add Display”.  Pick a gauge type and then scroll to find your new PIDs.  Position it on the screen and then repeat the whole process until your gauges are all populated on the screen.

*Final note.  If you open the .CSV file in Excel be careful as it will immediately interpret two of the PIDS as “exponential notation” and hose them up…You can open the file without issue just don’t save it unless you know what you are doing! :)

(I removed the file from this post and am going to just leave it on the first post so I only have to update it one place.  Just click on the "1" to get to the first page of the post.)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 09, 2014, 11:12:47 AM
For those of you who see a smiley face with sunglasses in the above formula, (like me) be advised that the correct replacement for that smiley face is the number 8. LOL
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 09, 2014, 11:19:05 AM
Has anyone had any luck with oil pressure? I can't seem to get it to work.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 09, 2014, 11:21:37 AM
QuickSilver you might want to just add one custom formula at a time by following the above "add a single PID" instructions. I think it's easier to start with.  After inputting all the info at the bottom of the screen you will see a test button press that and if you get a "result" you can press the save button. Then go to your gauge display to where you can add a gauge and when you scroll the list of available gauges you will find the one created by your new custom PID.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 09, 2014, 11:24:49 AM

Has anyone had any luck with oil pressure? I can't seem to get it to work.
We don't have the PID for that one in torque. So far that's not one of the custom PID's ecoboostsho has succeeded with. Maybe someday....
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 11:41:15 AM
Hmmm...I don't remember seeing Oil Pressure as an option anywhere in my existing scantool.  If it is I could certainly figure it out.  Let me see if it's there and I will get back to you.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 09, 2014, 11:51:50 AM

Larry.  CAC is in degrees C. Multiply by 1.8 +32

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Thanks ecoboostsho. That tweak to the formula worked like a charm. Now I'm showing a steady progression of IAT's warming as they wend their way through the hot plumbing.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on June 09, 2014, 12:11:24 PM
A video of your new setup would be awesome, Larry!  Hint, hint :D
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 12:13:21 PM
It doesn't look like oil pressure is available...

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 09, 2014, 12:19:46 PM

A video of your new setup would be awesome, Larry!  Hint, hint :D
I've posted pics but never videos. Do I use the same procedure to post a video?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 12:40:11 PM

A video of your new setup would be awesome, Larry!  Hint, hint :D
I've posted pics but never videos. Do I use the same procedure to post a video?

You'd probably be better off sending it to youtube and then just including a link to it.  I don't know if the site handles video and you wouldn't have to worry about getting  the proper encoding etc...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 12:47:18 PM
I don't know if it will help anyone but I also use an App called "Smart App Locker". I utilize an older Droid phone as my permanent Torque screen. It doesn't have cell service enabled (or even a SIM chip).  I've always been worried someone will swipe it and then technically have access to my Google account (email, etc...)

The app lets you put a password on all the apps on the device and essentially locks every app including the app store.  You can't uninstall anything either.  I lock everything out but Torque and maps/navigation.  At least if someone gets the device they won't get my data.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 09, 2014, 01:15:18 PM

It doesn't look like oil pressure is available...

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It looks that way, I went through Forscan and I couldn't find it. There is Engine Low oil pressure. But no # to go with it. Weird?. I did find a few other ones that were cool, mostly useless but I found them interesting. Tire pressure is available, also the temp for the heated steering wheel (if equipped) and the seat cushions.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 01:17:20 PM
Lol...well if you really want to known on Torque how cool/warm your rear end is I suppose I can dig out the PID! There is a ton of stuff in there for sure! Those would only be available with the MX or equivalent adapter that can read MSCAN though.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 09, 2014, 02:47:16 PM
The tire pressure I think would be cool to have, on a separate screen in torque. I wouldn't have to break out the tire gauge to check my tires.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2014, 03:11:38 PM
I will see if I can grab it!

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 09, 2014, 03:31:33 PM
Sweet! Thanks!


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: glock-coma on June 09, 2014, 09:26:47 PM
I found this pic of the intercooler and associated piping.

It explains about IAT and CAC temp sensors.
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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 10, 2014, 04:49:35 AM
Thank you. Nice to have confirmation of the labels and locations. I did believe that the sensor to measure boost was the one on top of the manifold which we have been swapping out from 2BAR to 3BAR. Very interesting to learn that it is the sensor upstream of the T/B that has that chore. Interesting also because that sensor is already a 3BAR.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 10, 2014, 07:59:57 AM
It would make sense that the CAC sensor is a 3 Bar. Considering the spike in pressure when the TB snaps shut. I was surprised to learn that they are both Temp and pressure.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 10, 2014, 11:24:20 AM
Figured out the formula...It's kind of fun to watch it move the power rearward so to speak.  The higher the percentage the more the clutch is locking up and driving the rear end.

AWD module PWM Modulation of rear clutch
PID 22D128
Formula A/256*100
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 10, 2014, 11:27:21 AM
I am sort of making progress on the tire pressure.  I can see the PIDs....left rear is 224141 but I get a pretty crazy response from the car that is going to take some time to decode.  I will probably have to let the air out of one of the tires and see how the computer responds but apparently it can take up to 6 hours for the sensors to 'ping' the ECU and update the value.  May take awhile...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 10, 2014, 11:31:59 AM
I am sort of making progress on the tire pressure.  I can see the PIDs....left rear is 224141 but I get a pretty crazy response from the car that is going to take some time to decode.  I will probably have to let the air out of one of the tires and see how the computer responds but apparently it can take up to 6 hours for the sensors to 'ping' the ECU and update the value.  May take awhile...
6 Hours? Holy crap. I know that with previous GM's I had, just changing the pressure caused the sensor to "ping" the ECU. for example. Let out 10 psi and add it back in. I will check with Forscan to see if this is the case with Ford.

Great work on the rear clutch! Can't wait to see that in action.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on June 10, 2014, 01:27:12 PM
I am sort of making progress on the tire pressure.  I can see the PIDs....left rear is 224141 but I get a pretty crazy response from the car that is going to take some time to decode.  I will probably have to let the air out of one of the tires and see how the computer responds but apparently it can take up to 6 hours for the sensors to 'ping' the ECU and update the value.  May take awhile...
On mine it just takes a few seconds of driving to clear the light once it has set. So I'm pretty sure its looking every keycycle.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 10, 2014, 01:28:24 PM
Well that's good. Was going to give it a shot either way.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: dalum on June 10, 2014, 01:52:48 PM

It looks that way, I went through Forscan and I couldn't find it. There is Engine Low oil pressure. But no # to go with it. Weird?.

Low oil pressure is just a physical switch that gets toggled at a set pressure.  IE above x psi = open switch | below x psi = closed switch = dummy light saying "low oil" turns on.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 10, 2014, 02:03:45 PM


It looks that way, I went through Forscan and I couldn't find it. There is Engine Low oil pressure. But no # to go with it. Weird?.

Low oil pressure is just a physical switch that gets toggled at a set pressure.  IE above x psi = open switch | below x psi = closed switch = dummy light saying "low oil" turns on.

Interesting, there is no oil pressure read, but there is a sensor that can tell you how hot your but is lol.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 10, 2014, 06:31:44 PM
Okay - progress on the tire pressures.  Not there quite yet though.  It is an interesting one as it was only giving me two PIDs back for all four tire pressures.  It turns out that one of the PIDs is for either the left side or the right side...or possibly both front tires or both back tires together.  In other words they are in pairs.  Each PID returns 2 values for two tires. So 2 PIDs gets you 4 tires. 

The PIDs are 224140 and 224141.  They return a decimal value that gets divided by 3 and that gives you the pressure in KPA.  At least I think...I am trying to verify all this.  The challenge is two fold.  First my scan tool pretends it knows which tire is the "front left" etc...well that is great until you rotate them a few dozen times...then they don't match up so it's made correlating the values challenging.  The next issue is that I have to figure out which variable in the formula to use for individual tires.  It might be as simple as A/3 and B/3 (multiply each of those 0.145 if you want PSI).

As soon as I have time to verify all this I will but if you get bored you could try it and see if the results make sense to you!  :)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 10, 2014, 06:45:15 PM
I will give it a go, and report back. Thanks!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 10, 2014, 06:52:28 PM
Actually if that doesn't work you may need to try this:

((A*256)+B)/3 for one tire   and ((C*256)+D)/3 for the other.  You would create two gauges each with the same PID but each gauge would use the different formula.  I don't think the first set of formula's I gave you will work since they have to be numbers bigger than 256 but give it a try both ways.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 11, 2014, 05:06:48 AM
Is it like one PID for the front pair and one PID for the back pair, or is it a left and right thing?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 11, 2014, 05:27:14 AM
I don't actually know yet since my tires have all been rotated. I should he able to tell from the scan tool tonight if I have time. I also let the air out of one but that doesn't really help this issue. I am currently stuck at work!

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 11, 2014, 05:38:49 AM
Working sucks!  Someday when you get to retire, you can do what you want ...when you want. Within the limitations of married life of course. Sigh...truth is there is always a boss!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 11, 2014, 05:40:20 AM
Lol. Yes there is. I am also raising one year old twins and a 4-1/2 year old. My wife is pretty understanding however there are limitations... :)

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 11, 2014, 06:25:04 AM
I will give it a go, and report back. Thanks!
Any luck yet? :)  Since the tire pressures are only available out of module that hangs off the MSCAN bus (as opposed to the HSCAN the PCM is on) I am actually most curious if Torque can read them at all.  Forscan can do this which is why we can see them with that tool.  As mentioned before if you don't have an MX or equivalent adapter you probably won't be able to get to the MSCAN bus to read anything.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 11, 2014, 06:38:19 AM
Not yet, I am going to try this today

http://youtu.be/kMkSfgyCCDI

It's how to train your TPMS. I wanted to ensure that they are in the correct locations. I believe that this will make it easier. I will give it a shot today.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 11, 2014, 06:44:42 AM
Nice find!  BTW definitely start with that second set of formula's....I'm convinced the first one I listed is "crap".
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 11, 2014, 06:51:59 AM
Good video!  I learned something there!  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 11, 2014, 08:00:41 AM
I gave the formulas a try, I didn't get a response on Torque. I will try a few more things tonight.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 11, 2014, 09:03:21 AM
I gave the formulas a try, I didn't get a response on Torque. I will try a few more things tonight.


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Thanks for trying it!  If it didn't respond at all that doesn't bode very well - that said Torque does let you specify the module manually.  You could try entering the module name (look it up in Forscan) and see if that helps...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 11, 2014, 09:43:44 AM

I gave the formulas a try, I didn't get a response on Torque. I will try a few more things tonight.


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Thanks for trying it!  If it didn't respond at all that doesn't bode very well - that said Torque does let you specify the module manually.  You could try entering the module name (look it up in Forscan) and see if that helps...

Where would I enter the module in Torque?


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 11, 2014, 09:47:59 AM
That would be in the "Header" section I believe it is called within the gauge configuration itself.  It defaults to "Auto" if you leave it blank but you can specify the module if you know it. i.e. PCM, TCM
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 11, 2014, 09:49:02 AM
Cool I'll give that a try


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 11, 2014, 06:35:52 PM
No dice, the name for the module is BdyCM which is short for body control module. torque will not accept the header. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/12/utezu5ep.jpg)

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 12, 2014, 06:11:15 AM
No joy here either.  I did determine that the PIDs are in pairs and it is a "front" and "rear" grouping.  I just realized you have a 2013...the 2011 doesn't have a BCM...we have a "Smart Junction Box" which is indeed on the MSCAN.  The BCM in your car is on the HSCAN so I would think it would be more likely yours would work but maybe the address changed.  I was hoping this was the reason you weren't getting a response and maybe I still could, but I've tried everything including trying to figure out the hex address of the module so I could plug that right in to Torque but it doesn't look like it is going to happen.

Also I figured out the "Torque Control Requested" PID and it is actually just an indicator of what function requested the Torque Control not the value itself.  Values ranged from "Transmission" to "Tip In" to "Lean Decel".  I can map them if anyone is terribly interested but I don't see a ton of value in them from a performance standpoint so I'm going to let that die on the vine...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 12, 2014, 06:20:03 AM
Are these the Hex addresses? Can I just enter them as is? If that's the case I may be of more use. I can read these from my laptop.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 12, 2014, 06:20:19 AM
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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 12, 2014, 06:26:52 AM
Yes they are just Hex addresses.  Your screen shot is the hex address of the PID itself not of the module...You could use a serial sniffer and find it out in theory.  Unless there is another screen in OBDWiz (haven't seen that one before) that gives it to you.  Send me a PM if you are interested and I can get you set up...it really isn't hard to figure out the addresses with the right tool.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 12, 2014, 05:18:42 PM
Just a little feedback on the air temps. I noticed that starting from cold, at first all the temps were pretty close to ambient. As it warmed up, IAT stayed very close to ambient but CAC and IAT2 started to warm as expected.  What was puzzling to me is that for a short period of time, maybe 4 or 5 minutes the CAC was running about 6 degrees warmer than IAT2. Is there any explanation that you can think of that would explain the CAC being warmer than IAT2?  A little later in the warm up process, the IAT2 exceeded the CAC and it looked normal to me from that point on. Wonder if coolant flow or closed  T-Stat could cause CAC sensor to warm faster than intake manifold?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 13, 2014, 05:11:17 AM
Hmm...good question.  I paid attention to it this morning and while CAC was close to IAT2 just after start up it never actually exceeded it.  I'm guessing if you got on the turbocharger it would heat the air up quickly...showing a higher CAC reading...I would only expect IAT2 to be lower if the manifold was still "heat sinking" because it wasn't warmed up yet but I don't know after 4 or 5 minutes I would expect it to be pretty warm?  It is also definitely possible that the CAC temp is a little off...it was interpreted where as the IAT2 formula was very straightforward to figure out.  I would definitely trust IAT2 over CAC when in doubt at this point.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 13, 2014, 05:15:12 AM
I don't usually monitor the CAC temp. Just IAT1&2. I will check it out this morning.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 13, 2014, 05:22:40 AM
FWIW...I was not into the turbos at all during this monitoring process as she was still pretty cool. Short haul suburban driving grandpa style LOL!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 13, 2014, 09:06:27 AM

FWIW...I was not into the turbos at all during this monitoring process as she was still pretty cool. Short haul suburban driving grandpa style LOL!

Were you running the AC? I wonder if that would have any impact? I believe that the CAC is sandwiched between the rad and the AC.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 13, 2014, 09:38:06 AM
Climate control was engaged but outside temps were low to mid 60's. I repeated the trip and the results this am. I noticed that after the initial odd differential ( the CAC being warmer than the IAT2 by about 5 degrees), as they moved to a more normal readings that both readings were in motion simultaneously. The CAC was cooling as the IAT2 was warming. This happened pretty rapidly so that in a matter of a minute or less the CAC was reading cooler than the IAT2. I am running the 170 degree stat. What if the CAC warms more quickly than the IAT2 while T-Stat is closed then cools quickly as the stat opens and normal circulation begins. Possibility??
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 13, 2014, 10:02:54 AM
That would actually make sense, the turbos are heated by the exhaust, the intake manifold is a big hunk of aluminum. It would be reasonable that the air in the CAC for a short time be higher than the intake manifold. As the intake manifold is working like a big heat sink.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 13, 2014, 10:12:41 AM
It makes sense that the heat from the exhaust is the driving force here and not the T-Stat.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 14, 2014, 07:50:25 PM
I have been doing some data logging with Torque and Forscan, just to double check the accuracy of torque vs Forscan. For the most part it looks like the PIDs are really close with the exception of boost? On torque there is the Boost/Vac gauge, I get a max  boost of 16psi of Forscan I get 14.5 as my max. that is quite a bit of difference. I am wondering which is correct. I know that from some of the guys on here they are seeing more than 15psi of boost. I have the 3 bar sensor. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 14, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
Curious what elevation you are at?

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 14, 2014, 08:25:22 PM
246ft above sea level.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 14, 2014, 09:13:38 PM
Well never mind then. Thought maybe one of the readings was barometrically compensated...

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 15, 2014, 05:09:55 AM
Even though I don't have an ecoboost engine (2011 German built Ford Focus Titanium) in Australia, my search on the web for torque PID have led me here, and it is here that I have found the most help. So I would like to return in kind with a few PIDs that may help:

If anyone can get the equation or verify them, it will help the community tremendously.

steering wheel angle
223302
HEADER = ABS
FORMULA = "((signed(A)*256+b)/10-780"


lateral angle (g)
222b0c
HEADER = ABS
"SIGNED(A)"

BFLHP Brake fluid line hydraulic pressure 9kpa)
222b0d

Transmission Gear Engaged
221e1f
Tells you which gear is engaged (this jumps because we have dual clutch system i am guessing)

Gear command by Output state
221e12
GIVES GEAR RESULT 0,1,2,3,4,5,6

In Gear?
221e04
- 621e0400000000 = No

cataylst temp
22f43c
"((A*256)+B)-40"

fuel level
22f42f
(A/255*100)

torque control request
2203af
- 6203af0c = anti-theft

maX diff btw TP1 AND TP2
2203A7
6203A700 = 0 DEG

INLET AIR TEMP FAULT
220700
0800000 = NO FAULT

ENGINE TOTAL DIST (STARTUP?)
22DD01

LEARNED RELATIVE OCTANE ADJUST
2203E8
DCEC = 54.81%
"A/256*100"

CLUTCH A SLIP  (REV/MIN)
221EBB
"((A*256)+B)*(1/4)"

CLUTCH B SLIP
221EBC
"((A*256)+B)*(1/4)"

TRANS AXLE (GEAR RATIO) MEASURED
221E16
F143 = 15.079:1
((A*256)+B) / 4096

726 Header - for battery stuff
BATT AGE
224027
"((A*256)+B)"

BATT CHARGE
224028
"A"

BATT TEMP (c)
224029
"A-40"

IN CAR TEMP (BCM)
22DD04
HEADER = 726
FORMULA = "A/8"

OUTTEMP
22DD05

LATERAL G
222B11
HEADER = ABS
"((signed(A)*256)+B)*0.02"

LONGATUDE G
222B0C
HEADER = ABS
"((signed(A)*256)+B)*0.02"


CLUTCH A OPEN
221EA0
1 = YES
621EA000010001

ACC COMP STATE
22099B
0000= OFF

ACC PEDAL POSITION %
22032B
"A/256*100"
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 15, 2014, 05:22:34 AM
A few more for reading speed on each wheel

ABS Wheel Speed 1   "ABS RFW"   "222b06"   "A"         "KM/H"   "ABS"
ABS Wheel Speed 2   "ABS LFW"   "222b07"   "A"         "KM/H"   "ABS"
ABS Wheel Speed 3   "ABS RRW"   "222b08"   "A"         "KM/H"   "ABS"
ABS Wheel Speed 4   "ABS LRW"   "222b09"   "A"         "KM/H"   "ABS"
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 15, 2014, 06:53:27 AM
Wow that's quite the list! Thanks! There's a few in there I'd like to try.

On the Torque vs Forscan I'm going to remove my profile from Forscan and reset the history and give that a shot. I'm going to compare Map sensor readings only and see what that gets.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on June 15, 2014, 06:59:42 AM
Very interested in learned relative octane adjust......

Seems that could be a handy pid for e-85 testing.

I wonder what value it is calculating.....hmmm.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 15, 2014, 07:01:04 AM
Only two remain from my original wish list....namely EGT and transmission gear indicator. Looks like one of those might be on this list- transmission gear engaged. Quite a list indeed!  Thank you!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 07:19:37 AM
Larry...when you say gear indicator do you mean 1,2,3...? Because you can infer the gear you are in easily with the gear ratio PID we found already.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 15, 2014, 07:22:25 AM
Only two remain from my original wish list....namely EGT and transmission gear indicator. Looks like one of those might be on this list- transmission gear engaged. Quite a list indeed!  Thank you!

Ill See if I can pull the PID from Forscan.

Here are the PIDs for the TPMS

LF 228131
RF 228141
RR 228151
LR 228161

I get a response from the car but the equations are not working at all. Any help with this one would be great!

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 07:23:58 AM
If you just use the equation (256*A)+B what values do you get? What is the corresponding value in kpa? (Or psi)

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 15, 2014, 07:24:42 AM
If you just use the equation (256*A)+B what values do you get? What is the corresponding value in kpa? (Or psi)

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I will give that one a try.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 15, 2014, 07:45:26 AM

Larry...when you say gear indicator do you mean 1,2,3...? Because you can infer the gear you are in easily with the gear ratio PID we found already.

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Yes but I'm thinking that the gear number must be available because it is displayed in the speedo cluster as "1,2,3...." when in manual. I'd like to display that in Torque while driving in "D". Reminds me of a Suzuki bike I had years ago which had a digital gear indicator for the six speed. I liked it!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 07:49:32 AM
Understood. If there was a way in Torque to display a value based on a number...I.e. 4.84=1 then we could do it. So far none of the pids give you a direct number....I tried some of the ones millennium listed and they didn't work for my car or weren't what you are after.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 15, 2014, 08:01:54 AM
I saw a Torque add on that offered the gear result based on a calculation of MPH and RPM. Seemed a little clunky though.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 08:18:12 AM
Larry. Just found it in For scan. Should have it for you shortly! :)

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 15, 2014, 08:20:35 AM
WOW!  That is too cool! Thanks for checking for me!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 08:54:14 AM
Gear Selection Indicator. (GEAR_OSC officially) Drumroll please...the equation was the hard part...not.  I haven't tested it yet in torque, but it looks like it should work.

Gear indicator PID 221e12
Torque Equation    A
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 08:59:45 AM
Learned Octane ratio...found something to compare it to...
PID was correct-  2203E8
Formula - still need to verify but looks like it might be ((256*A)+B)/49152*100)  as a %

My car indicated "100%" on my scan tool.  Not sure what this exactly measures or what it does with it but it would definitely be interesting.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 09:00:59 AM
Torque converter slip ratio
PID 221E15
Still working on the formula...a "1:1: ratio yields 0FFF in hex so it is probably /256?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 15, 2014, 09:03:59 AM

Gear Selection Indicator. (GEAR_OSC officially) Drumroll please...the equation was the hard part...not.  I haven't tested it yet in torque, but it looks like it should work.

Gear indicator PID 221e12
Torque Equation    A

Will test in a few minutes. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 09:08:54 AM
Even though I don't have an ecoboost engine (2011 German built Ford Focus Titanium) in Australia, my search on the web for torque PID have led me here, and it is here that I have found the most help. So I would like to return in kind with a few PIDs that may help:

If anyone can get the equation or verify them, it will help the community tremendously.

steering wheel angle  {No Data}
223302

lateral angle (g)  {No Data}
222b0c
"SIGNED(A)"

BFLHP Brake fluid line hydraulic pressure 9kpa) {No Data}
222b0d

Transmission Gear Engaged {No Response}
221e1f

Gear command by Output state {Response but give me a hex 10 or 8 depending on gear shift selector position...not sure what to do with this one.}
221e12

In Gear? {Didn't Test}
221e04
- 621e0400000000 = No

cataylst temp {Already in torque?}
22f43c
"((A*256)+B)-40"

fuel level {Already in Torque ? but this did work for me}
22f42f
(A/255*100)

torque control request {Had this on my front page...wasn't terribly interesting.  Just told you what was requesting Torque reduction not the actual amount.}
2203af
- 6203af0c = anti-theft

maX diff btw TP1 AND TP2 {Got a response but it was only every 0 or 1 degree.  Would not expect it to vary much unless something was broken?}
2203A7
6203A700 = 0 DEG

INLET AIR TEMP FAULT {Didn't test. MIL would Light}
220700
0800000 = NO FAULT

ENGINE TOTAL DIST (STARTUP?) {Didn't test}
22DD01

LEARNED RELATIVE OCTANE ADJUST {Works but formula is potentially different...see previous post}
2203E8
DCEC = 54.81%
"A/256*100"

CLUTCH A SLIP  (REV/MIN) {No Data}
221EBB
"((A*256)+B)*(1/4)"

CLUTCH B SLIP {No Data}
221EBC
"((A*256)+B)*(1/4)"

TRANS AXLE (GEAR RATIO) MEASURED {Already have this on first page}
221E16
F143 = 15.079:1
((A*256)+B) / 4096

726 Header - for battery stuff  {No Data}
BATT AGE
224027
"((A*256)+B)"

BATT CHARGE {No Data}
224028
"A"

BATT TEMP (c) {No Data}
224029
"A-40"

IN CAR TEMP (BCM) {No Data - although my car doesn't have a BCM. 2013+ does}
22DD04
"A/8"

OUTTEMP {No Data}
22DD05

LATERAL G {No Data}
222B11
"((signed(A)*256)+B)*0.02"

LONGATUDE G {No Data}
222B0C
"((signed(A)*256)+B)*0.02"


CLUTCH A OPEN {No data}
221EA0
1 = YES
621EA000010001

ACC COMP STATE {didn't test}
22099B
0000= OFF

ACC PEDAL POSITION %  {worked but formula for me was just A/2 to get a 99.9% value...there are a ton of these in Torque already although none of them get me to 100%...}
22032B
"A/256*100"

Thanks a ton for posting this.  I did some quick checking and got the following results which I will Post in {} above so I don't have to retype every PID.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 09:10:13 AM
If it works let me know and I will update the first post.  I will be occupied for a bit with Father's Day festivities...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 15, 2014, 10:15:24 AM

If it works let me know and I will update the first post.  I will be occupied for a bit with Father's Day festivities...
Gear indicator works!  YEHAW!  I was a bit leery at first as it did not register Park, then it did not register Reverse. It sat there and was stuck on 1. But from that moment on it was faultless. Went up and down the gears just like hoped it would. It makes a stellar addition to my primary page of gauges which by the way would look not nearly as impressive if not for your tireless efforts. Great job ecoboostsho. Above and beyond. I'm gonna nominate you for Forum Contributor of the Year....as soon as they establish the event. Thank you sir and have a happy Fathers Day!
 
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 10:23:32 AM
Glad to hear it! This has been fun and is a team effort!

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 15, 2014, 11:13:24 AM
Learned Octane ratio...found something to compare it to...
PID was correct-  2203E8
Formula - still need to verify but looks like it might be ((256*A)+B)/49152*100)  as a %

My car indicated "100%" on my scan tool.  Not sure what this exactly measures or what it does with it but it would definitely be interesting.

It measures the relative learned curve of the current octane that you are using I believe. For example if you change gas grades it will drop to a lower number. Or if you like playing with ethanol this would be useful as you could tell if the car has adjusted fully to the new gas. I believe that the car might pull more timing until it has fully "learned" the octane value of the gas you are currently. If you pull the battery to reset, it will drop to 50%. It may take up to 2 full tanks of gas to full learn. I messed around with this in Forscan in the past.   
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 15, 2014, 12:39:04 PM
Good info. Thanks!

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 15, 2014, 07:50:00 PM
Knock retard is working now. What a fun gauge to have. So far I have only registered negative readings of 1 or 2 and no positives.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 15, 2014, 08:58:05 PM
Very interested in learned relative octane adjust......

Seems that could be a handy pid for e-85 testing.

I wonder what value it is calculating.....hmmm.

Some reader gauges show this as -1.0 to 1.0 (-1 being high octane),
FORScan represents it as 0% - 100%, totally not sure what it means though. Could directly mean what the ECU thinks the Octane of the fuel is or it is a compensation %
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 15, 2014, 08:59:16 PM
Larry...when you say gear indicator do you mean 1,2,3...? Because you can infer the gear you are in easily with the gear ratio PID we found already.

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Gear command by Output state
221e12
GIVES GEAR RESULT 0,1,2,3,4,5,6
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 15, 2014, 09:01:25 PM

Larry...when you say gear indicator do you mean 1,2,3...? Because you can infer the gear you are in easily with the gear ratio PID we found already.

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Yes but I'm thinking that the gear number must be available because it is displayed in the speedo cluster as "1,2,3...." when in manual. I'd like to display that in Torque while driving in "D". Reminds me of a Suzuki bike I had years ago which had a digital gear indicator for the six speed. I liked it!

Gear command by Output state
221e12
GIVES GEAR RESULT 0,1,2,3,4,5,6
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 15, 2014, 09:19:06 PM
Even though I don't have an ecoboost engine (2011 German built Ford Focus Titanium) in Australia, my search on the web for torque PID have led me here, and it is here that I have found the most help. So I would like to return in kind with a few PIDs that may help:

If anyone can get the equation or verify them, it will help the community tremendously.

steering wheel angle  {No Data} - use header ABS
223302
formula = "((signed(A)*256+b)/10-780"

lateral angle (g)  {No Data} - use header ABS
222b0c
"SIGNED(A)"
Formula = i not sure

BFLHP Brake fluid line hydraulic pressure 9kpa) {No Data}
222b0d

Transmission Gear Engaged {No Response}
221e1f

Gear command by Output state {Response but give me a hex 10 or 8 depending on gear shift selector position...not sure what to do with this one.}
221e12
Formula = A (direct convert to decimal)

In Gear? {Didn't Test}
221e04
- 621e0400000000 = No

cataylst temp {Already in torque?} - my torque cataylst temp goes up to 760 deg celcius.. was suspicious so i went and find the PID
22f43c
"((A*256)+B)-40"

fuel level {Already in Torque ? but this did work for me} - yep
22f42f
(A/255*100)

torque control request {Had this on my front page...wasn't terribly interesting.  Just told you what was requesting Torque reduction not the actual amount.} - yeah it is just the mode it is requesting
2203af
- 6203af0c = anti-theft

maX diff btw TP1 AND TP2 {Got a response but it was only every 0 or 1 degree.  Would not expect it to vary much unless something was broken?}
2203A7
6203A700 = 0 DEG

INLET AIR TEMP FAULT {Didn't test. MIL would Light} - just gives a bit encoded result ("yes"/no")
220700
0800000 = NO FAULT

ENGINE TOTAL DIST (STARTUP?) {Didn't test}
22DD01

LEARNED RELATIVE OCTANE ADJUST {Works but formula is potentially different...see previous post}
2203E8
DCEC = 54.81%
"A/256*100"

CLUTCH A SLIP  (REV/MIN) {No Data} - this one works for me, might be just need header for you guys
221EBB
"((A*256)+B)*(1/4)"

CLUTCH B SLIP {No Data} - this one works for me, might be just need header for you guys
221EBC
"((A*256)+B)*(1/4)"

TRANS AXLE (GEAR RATIO) MEASURED {Already have this on first page}
221E16
F143 = 15.079:1
((A*256)+B) / 4096

726 Header - for battery stuff  {No Data}
BATT AGE
224027
HEADER = 726
"((A*256)+B)"

BATT CHARGE {No Data}
HEADER = 726
224028
"A"

BATT TEMP (c) {No Data}
224029
HEADER = 726
"A-40"

IN CAR TEMP (BCM) {No Data - although my car doesn't have a BCM. 2013+ does}
22DD04
HEADER = 726
Formula = "A/8"

OUTTEMP {No Data}
22DD05

LATERAL G {No Data} - use header ABS
222B11
"((signed(A)*256)+B)*0.02"

LONGATUDE G {No Data} - use header ABS
222B0C
"((signed(A)*256)+B)*0.02"

CLUTCH A OPEN {No data}
221EA0
1 = YES
621EA000010001

ACC COMP STATE {didn't test} - this just tells if air cond compressor is on/off
22099B
0000= OFF

ACC PEDAL POSITION %  {worked but formula for me was just A/2 to get a 99.9% value...there are a ton of these in Torque already although none of them get me to 100%...}
22032B
Formula = "A/256*100" <-- try this formula it works. (FF = 256.. so if 256/2 = 128 points)
note that this value = 0 when you are using cruise control as it measure actual pedal position of the accelerator. This position % is the raw read of the pedal position.

Thanks a ton for posting this.  I did some quick checking and got the following results which I will Post in {} above so I don't have to retype every PID.

You guys are very welcomed!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on June 16, 2014, 05:04:23 AM
You guys (ecoboostsho, ShoBoat, Larrylu) are relentless!  Hats off to you all.  Also a big thanks to the latest contributor, millinnium :thumb:
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 16, 2014, 05:07:29 AM


Larry...when you say gear indicator do you mean 1,2,3...? Because you can infer the gear you are in easily with the gear ratio PID we found already.

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Yes but I'm thinking that the gear number must be available because it is displayed in the speedo cluster as "1,2,3...." when in manual. I'd like to display that in Torque while driving in "D". Reminds me of a Suzuki bike I had years ago which had a digital gear indicator for the six speed. I liked it!

Gear command by Output state
221e12
GIVES GEAR RESULT 0,1,2,3,4,5,6

I will have to go back and see if any of the entries I made are possibly not permitting my 0 reading. So far I've seen 1 through 6.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 16, 2014, 05:35:30 AM
I don't get a zero either...

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 16, 2014, 06:35:03 AM
Quote
ACC PEDAL POSITION %  {worked but formula for me was just A/2 to get a 99.9% value...there are a ton of these in Torque already although none of them get me to 100%...}
22032B
Formula = "A/256*100" <-- try this formula it works. (FF = 256.. so if 256/2 = 128 points)
note that this value = 0 when you are using cruise control as it measure actual pedal position of the accelerator. This position % is the raw read of the pedal position.

I did try the formula you mentioned and my Max value was 77.7% with the car floored.  I simply found this varied from 0 to 200 (decimal) on my car so I just divided by 2 so I could get an actual 0-100% pedal position.  I realize the car is commanding all sorts of throttle values at the throttle body itself so I like this PID...just got weird results with the formula you mentioned.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 16, 2014, 07:04:53 AM
I was wondering about this the other day. I don't believe I have ever seen a value of close to 100% at the TB. Does it ever get to fully open?


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: EcoPowerParts on June 16, 2014, 08:47:46 AM
I was wondering about this the other day. I don't believe I have ever seen a value of close to 100% at the TB. Does it ever get to fully open?


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No if you go beyond around 80% it's past open and closing.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 16, 2014, 08:56:20 AM
Makes sense. So the original formula is valid I just think the logic is dumb.  80% shouldn't mean all the way open. Doh!

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 16, 2014, 08:58:50 AM
I was wondering about this the other day. I don't believe I have ever seen a value of close to 100% at the TB. Does it ever get to fully open?


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No if you go beyond around 80% it's past open and closing.
Thanks Mike

It's not the formula, in FORScan it is also like that. I think the max I have ever seen is 77% and it only gets that far by 3 gear in a WOT run from a dead stop.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 16, 2014, 09:27:04 PM
Quote
ACC PEDAL POSITION %  {worked but formula for me was just A/2 to get a 99.9% value...there are a ton of these in Torque already although none of them get me to 100%...}
22032B
Formula = "A/256*100" <-- try this formula it works. (FF = 256.. so if 256/2 = 128 points)
note that this value = 0 when you are using cruise control as it measure actual pedal position of the accelerator. This position % is the raw read of the pedal position.

I did try the formula you mentioned and my Max value was 77.7% with the car floored.  I simply found this varied from 0 to 200 (decimal) on my car so I just divided by 2 so I could get an actual 0-100% pedal position.  I realize the car is commanding all sorts of throttle values at the throttle body itself so I like this PID...just got weird results with the formula you mentioned.

Hi Ecoboost, i have double check and your A/2 formula is actually the correct formula. Note that this PID gives the accelerator pedal reading, and should show 0-100% range or 99.9% to be precise. It will also show 0% when you are on cruise control since you are not pressing the accelerator pedal itself.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 17, 2014, 05:36:51 AM
Thanks Millinnium! 

I also spent some time this morning with the AWD modulation % (engages the rear wheel clutch as required) and couldn't get the previous PID to work.  I then realized you need a "Header" address of 726 plugged in.  Works like a charm now.  Will update the first post.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on June 17, 2014, 06:58:28 AM
Keep up the good work guys, and THANK YOU!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 17, 2014, 07:00:43 AM
Great collaboration!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 17, 2014, 08:09:13 PM
For what it's worth I've been running with a working Knock Retard gauge for a couple of days, and not in a WOT situation but in more moderate and varied driving I've racked up a -5 and a +4.   Sounds exactly like what was previously reported.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 18, 2014, 04:55:34 AM
You guys want more?? :)

Knock Sensor 1
220403
Knock Sensor 2
220404
A7 = 167

KNOCK CONTROL SPARK ADJUSTMENT
KNOCKSPRK (DEG)
2203EC

Rear O2 Fuel Trim (RO2FT1)
2203BD

YAW RATE (RPM) ABS
222B0B
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on June 18, 2014, 05:22:42 AM
This is an awesome thread right here....really excites me and is motivating me to get some monitoring device up and running...

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 18, 2014, 05:45:47 AM
New PID Found:

Need equation figured out though.

1FA4 = -5.75A

Battery Current   BATT CUR   224090   ((signed(A)*256)+b)/4   -600   600   Amp   726
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 18, 2014, 05:48:38 AM
Those that are interested in the Learned Octane Adjust,

the readings in HEX and the result converted to % are:

DCEC = 54.81%

D145 = 73.01%

but i can't figure out the maths behind it. HEX converted to Decimal will make DCEC > D145 but the % result intepreted is the opposite...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 18, 2014, 05:59:31 AM
Those that are interested in the Learned Octane Adjust,

the readings in HEX and the result converted to % are:

DCEC = 54.81%

D145 = 73.01%

but i can't figure out the maths behind it. HEX converted to Decimal will make DCEC > D145 but the % result intepreted is the opposite...

If you look up a few threads we've got it figure out I believe on Page 8.  On my car if I flash a new tune in it the LROA starts at 0 and after a long pull in 3rd and 4th at WOT jumps to 100% and then on my car it has slowly backed down to 75% over time.   I'm guessing I could use a little more octane but it is still on the positive side...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on June 18, 2014, 06:13:11 AM
Makes my brain hurt a little though...

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 18, 2014, 07:55:07 AM
New PID Found:

Need equation figured out though.

1FA4 = -5.75A

Battery Current   BATT CUR   224090   ((signed(A)*256)+b)/4   -600   600   Amp   726

I will have to see if I can get that PID on my car.  We can get 100's more of these pretty easily (I am just using a serial sniffer and watching the CAN bus using a Scan tool) the tricky part is always the equation.  If you can get me two points and two hex values we can calculate a potential formula assuming it is a linear response. 

i.e. if you know 1FA4 is -5.75 then just get me another value pair and we can plug it in to a basic line/slope equation and try it out.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 18, 2014, 11:59:33 AM
Figured out something kind of cool today with Torque.  I was watching the Fuel pump Desired gauge and trying to compare it to the "Actual" to see how close they were.  It then occurred to me that it would be ideal to have this calculated and displayed as a gauge.  The idea being if you are at the track and/or running E85 you could start to see if your pump was getting behind and fuel pressure was dropping - which would be bad.  I then stumbled across an interesting way to subtract two PIDs in Torque (on a Prius site of all places!). 

You just create a new custom PID but you leave the "PID" field blank and then enter the PIDs in the formula section.  The trick is you have to reference each PID EXACTLY by name...no typos allowed.  We had figured out "Desired" earlier and while the "Actual" is already available in Torque I found out the PID ID the usual way figuring sometimes the Ford PID is actually better than the standard one due to more frequent updates.

So first make sure the following two custom PIDs are already defined in Torque.

Fuel Pump pressure "desired"
Name:  Fuel Pump Desired Pressure
PID:  2203dc
torque Equation: ((256*A)+b)*10*.145  readout in PSI.
Unit: PSI

Fuel Pump Rail Pressure2  (Already in Torque but I am calling it out specifically)
Name: Fuel Pump Rail Pressure2
PID: 22F423
Equation:  ((256*A)+b)*10*.145  readout in PSI.
Unit: PSI

Then add another custom PID in torque but as stated leave the actual PID field blank.  The PID name you are referencing is what is in between the {}  and as stated above the long names need to match exactly.

Differential Fuel Pump Pressure (Uses two previous PIDs to calculate a Torque "Virtual PID" and display the results!)
PID:
Name: Fuel Pressure Differential
Equation:  (VAL{Fuel Pump Desired Pressure}) - (VAL{Fuel Pump Rail Pressure2})
Unit: PSI

I did this and it works great!  the only thing I'm not sure of is the order the PIDs are all being scanned...If one PID was at the beginning of a scan and the other was at the end of scan this could create a larger "discrepancy" than is really there.  Still fun to watch though!

You could do the same thing with requested Air/Fuel vs Commanded Air/Fuel to see how far off the car is...kind of cool!

As always I updated the first post so you don't have to search through all this.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 18, 2014, 01:28:41 PM
This new functionality reminds me of the process one had to go through to get a boost gauge with the MyCal Touch. Makes Torque a pretty powerful and flexible tool.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 18, 2014, 05:17:47 PM
Those that are interested in the Learned Octane Adjust,

the readings in HEX and the result converted to % are:

DCEC = 54.81%

D145 = 73.01%

but i can't figure out the maths behind it. HEX converted to Decimal will make DCEC > D145 but the % result intepreted is the opposite...

If you look up a few threads we've got it figure out I believe on Page 8.  On my car if I flash a new tune in it the LROA starts at 0 and after a long pull in 3rd and 4th at WOT jumps to 100% and then on my car it has slowly backed down to 75% over time.   I'm guessing I could use a little more octane but it is still on the positive side...

Hi Ecoboost, i have tried your formula  ((256*A)+B)/49152*100) but not getting the same result as what FORScan is showing.

For example:

Hex DCEC which FORScan calculated to 54.81% if plugged to your formula = 56556/49152*100 = 115.06%

Hex D145 which FORScan calculated to 73.01% if plugged to your formula = 53573/49152*100 = 108.99%

This is why i say the formula is not correct since Hex DCEC is mathematically smaller than Hex D145, yet the calculated percent value from FORScan shows it as a larger percentage.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 18, 2014, 05:19:16 PM
I think it is calculated differently between our two ecu's. I will try and post some raw values. The formula seems to work for the Taurus.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 18, 2014, 05:42:34 PM
 Has anyone else tried the octane adjust? Can you post your results?

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 18, 2014, 08:44:50 PM
Those that are interested in the Learned Octane Adjust,

the readings in HEX and the result converted to % are:

DCEC = 54.81%

D145 = 73.01%

but i can't figure out the maths behind it. HEX converted to Decimal will make DCEC > D145 but the % result intepreted is the opposite...

If you look up a few threads we've got it figure out I believe on Page 8.  On my car if I flash a new tune in it the LROA starts at 0 and after a long pull in 3rd and 4th at WOT jumps to 100% and then on my car it has slowly backed down to 75% over time.   I'm guessing I could use a little more octane but it is still on the positive side...

Hi Ecoboost, i have tried your formula  ((256*A)+B)/49152*100) but not getting the same result as what FORScan is showing.

For example:

Hex DCEC which FORScan calculated to 54.81% if plugged to your formula = 56556/49152*100 = 115.06%

Hex D145 which FORScan calculated to 73.01% if plugged to your formula = 53573/49152*100 = 108.99%

This is why i say the formula is not correct since Hex DCEC is mathematically smaller than Hex D145, yet the calculated percent value from FORScan shows it as a larger percentage.
Okay - given the two data points you've given I did a little math and the equation you should be using is (not 100% positive here but give it a shot).

((256*A)+B)*(-0.0000610124)+3.998717499

Yes I went crazy with the precision after the decimal points...and note that is multiplying a negative number NOT multiplying and then minus.  It's just Y=mX+B format based on the points provided assuming I calculated it correctly.

Weirdly enough this formula and the one I figured out for the Taurus are not as far off as they might appear.  If you calculate out 100% in this formula it equates to roughly 49152 but yours has a negative slope so smaller values mean larger numbers (which is what you noted).

Try this and see if it works.  It's getting late here and my math may be off...the only other option is that your car is using the -1 to +1 referenced elsewhere and those values provided are actually signed binary numbers...but my brain hurts thinking about it right now so try this first. :)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 18, 2014, 09:09:35 PM

Only two remain from my original wish list....namely EGT and transmission gear indicator. Looks like one of those might be on this list- transmission gear engaged. Quite a list indeed!  Thank you!

Ill See if I can pull the PID from Forscan.

Here are the PIDs for the TPMS

LF 228131
RF 228141
RR 228151
LR 228161

I get a response from the car but the equations are not working at all. Any help with this one would be great!

Sorry it doesn't seem like EGT is possible on the Taurus. Not found in FORScan.

But I found this one

Transfer Case Temperature

PID 22070D

I am using the formula from the transmission temp on page one and it's not quite right. It's really close but not quite there.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 18, 2014, 09:54:16 PM
Those that are interested in the Learned Octane Adjust,

the readings in HEX and the result converted to % are:

DCEC = 54.81%

D145 = 73.01%

but i can't figure out the maths behind it. HEX converted to Decimal will make DCEC > D145 but the % result intepreted is the opposite...

If you look up a few threads we've got it figure out I believe on Page 8.  On my car if I flash a new tune in it the LROA starts at 0 and after a long pull in 3rd and 4th at WOT jumps to 100% and then on my car it has slowly backed down to 75% over time.   I'm guessing I could use a little more octane but it is still on the positive side...

Hi Ecoboost, i have tried your formula  ((256*A)+B)/49152*100) but not getting the same result as what FORScan is showing.

For example:

Hex DCEC which FORScan calculated to 54.81% if plugged to your formula = 56556/49152*100 = 115.06%

Hex D145 which FORScan calculated to 73.01% if plugged to your formula = 53573/49152*100 = 108.99%

This is why i say the formula is not correct since Hex DCEC is mathematically smaller than Hex D145, yet the calculated percent value from FORScan shows it as a larger percentage.
Okay - given the two data points you've given I did a little math and the equation you should be using is (not 100% positive here but give it a shot).

((256*A)+B)*(-0.0000610124)+3.998717499

Yes I went crazy with the precision after the decimal points...and note that is multiplying a negative number NOT multiplying and then minus.  It's just Y=mX+B format based on the points provided assuming I calculated it correctly.

Weirdly enough this formula and the one I figured out for the Taurus are not as far off as they might appear.  If you calculate out 100% in this formula it equates to roughly 49152 but yours has a negative slope so smaller values mean larger numbers (which is what you noted).

Try this and see if it works.  It's getting late here and my math may be off...the only other option is that your car is using the -1 to +1 referenced elsewhere and those values provided are actually signed binary numbers...but my brain hurts thinking about it right now so try this first. :)

((256*A)+B)*(-0.0000610124)+3.998717499 EQUATION IS ACCURATE. Thank you and superb work
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 18, 2014, 09:55:41 PM
New PID Found:

Need equation figured out though.

1FA4 = -5.75A

Battery Current   BATT CUR   224090   ((signed(A)*256)+b)/4   -600   600   Amp   726

I will have to see if I can get that PID on my car.  We can get 100's more of these pretty easily (I am just using a serial sniffer and watching the CAN bus using a Scan tool) the tricky part is always the equation.  If you can get me two points and two hex values we can calculate a potential formula assuming it is a linear response. 

i.e. if you know 1FA4 is -5.75 then just get me another value pair and we can plug it in to a basic line/slope equation and try it out.

1FA4 = -5.75A
1FA3 = -5.81A
1F5F = -10.06A

Equation is: (((A*256)+B)/16)-511.7
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 19, 2014, 05:08:06 AM
New PID Found:

Need equation figured out though.

1FA4 = -5.75A

Battery Current   BATT CUR   224090   ((signed(A)*256)+b)/4   -600   600   Amp   726

I will have to see if I can get that PID on my car.  We can get 100's more of these pretty easily (I am just using a serial sniffer and watching the CAN bus using a Scan tool) the tricky part is always the equation.  If you can get me two points and two hex values we can calculate a potential formula assuming it is a linear response. 

i.e. if you know 1FA4 is -5.75 then just get me another value pair and we can plug it in to a basic line/slope equation and try it out.

1FA4 = -5.75A
1FA3 = -5.81A
1F5F = -10.06A

Equation is: (((A*256)+B)/16)-511.7
Cool...I still haven't tried this one out yet...although I should have.  Just replaced my battery yesterday!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 19, 2014, 05:34:39 AM

Transfer Case Temperature

PID 22070D

I am using the formula from the transmission temp on page one and it's not quite right. It's really close but not quite there.


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I haven't seen this one yet!  If its really labeled "Transfer Case" I'm assuming that would be the PTU?  I would love to have this.  Then again I keep forgetting you've got a 2013...I wonder if they added that temp on those models with all the PTU failures in the previous years.  Do you know what "module" was responding to this?  PCM/BCM/AWD4x4? etc... You can try and dig up the other formula we "were" using for the transmission...Or if you give me two values from the serial sniffer (the corresponding HEX responses) and the value at the same time in Forscan or another scan tool I can possibly figure out a formula for you if its a linear response to temp.  Anyone with a 2010-2012 you can try to put 761 in the "header" field to get a response from the 4x4 module to see if the temp is in there...or leave it blank for the PCM.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 19, 2014, 07:48:12 AM
It's in the PCM, I'll see if I can get the values tonight. I would be also interested if the pre 2013 have this ability.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 19, 2014, 10:39:46 AM
I tried to make a gauge based on a formula between 2 PID's. I think my efforts are mostly right. I wanted to replace my 4 air temp readings with 1 that would give the difference between IAT 2 And Ambient. Sort of a 1 gauge Heat Soak reading.  My result is reading the same as my IAT 2 which leads me to believe the problem in the formula is in the Ambient PID. One difference is that the Ambient PID is not a custom PID like the IAT 2. I wonder if this nice function is limited to just custom PID's and might not work with the ones packaged with Torque.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 19, 2014, 10:43:55 AM
That's possible. I made a custom PID for my previous example. That said I can easily get you the PID for IAT and you can create one with a different long name.

Also the transfer case PID didn't work on my 2011...

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 19, 2014, 10:47:29 AM
That would be a great test. Too bad about the transfer case....not surprised though. Would have been a great gauge!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 20, 2014, 05:16:29 AM
Larry - IAT is as follows:

PID: 22F40F
Equation (for degrees F): (A-40)*1.8+32

Name it something like "Intake Air Temperature 1" and give your custom calc PID a shot.  I didn't have time to try it myself. Obviously make sure both your PIDs are in the same units - either degree C or degree F.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 20, 2014, 05:19:02 AM

Larry - IAT is as follows:

PID: 22F40F1
Equation (for degrees F): (A-40)*1.8+32

Name it something like "Intake Air Temperature 1" and give your custom calc PID a shot.  I didn't have time to try it myself. Obviously make sure both your PIDs are in the same units - either degree C or degree F.

Is this for Ambient?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 20, 2014, 05:19:17 AM
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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 20, 2014, 05:19:52 AM
Well in the intake....not ambient. Is that what you wanted?

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 20, 2014, 05:20:48 AM
Yes I was thinking of using ambient
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 20, 2014, 05:21:45 AM
OK. Whoops. Let me see if I can get that.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 20, 2014, 06:00:15 AM

That's possible. I made a custom PID for my previous example. That said I can easily get you the PID for IAT and you can create one with a different long name.

Also the transfer case PID didn't work on my 2011...

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Unfortunately pre 2013 SHOs are lacking the PTU temp sensor,

2011 PTU

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/20/edy3u7an.jpg)

2013 PTU

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/20/e4e3y6a4.jpg)

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/20/7u2uta6y.jpg)


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 20, 2014, 03:21:22 PM
No go on the ambient temp...the PID is 229924 but it is in the HVAC module on the 2010-2012 so I can't get to it on the MSCAN bus with Torque...
Title: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 20, 2014, 03:38:15 PM
Too bad. Torque offers a built in Ambient. Do they have another way of accessing it?  Don't think we can "edit" the stock PID's.  Like we can't rename it.  I guess the closest that I can come is with your PID for IAT then. Depending on conditions IAT is 5 to 30 degrees warmer than ambient. What do you think about compensating for the average warmness of the IAT in the formula. Like adding a 15 degree factor. Bad idea??
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 20, 2014, 03:40:38 PM
I haven't completely given up yet. I know how to connect to the MSCAN bus via a serial terminal...if Torque can grab it elsewhere we should be able to....

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 20, 2014, 04:16:32 PM
I don't know if this is any help, but I have an ambient temp display above the NAV screen and I always wondered why that value was slightly different from the ambient Torque displays. Made me wonder if there were two ambient sensors. A bit strange in any case. Maybe one is HVAC and one is .....somewhere else?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on June 20, 2014, 08:41:09 PM
I'm pretty sure that temp sensor is on cooler equipped PP and PI models only.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 21, 2014, 04:35:46 AM

I don't know if this is any help, but I have an ambient temp display above the NAV screen and I always wondered why that value was slightly different from the ambient Torque displays. Made me wonder if there were two ambient sensors. A bit strange in any case. Maybe one is HVAC and one is .....somewhere else?

I have noticed the same thing, 2 different readings between torque and the dash reading.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 21, 2014, 09:04:29 AM

I don't know if this is any help, but I have an ambient temp display above the NAV screen and I always wondered why that value was slightly different from the ambient Torque displays. Made me wonder if there were two ambient sensors. A bit strange in any case. Maybe one is HVAC and one is .....somewhere else?

I have noticed the same thing, 2 different readings between torque and the dash reading.


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If you have ambient reading on your screen, that means there is a pid for it. Also the reading will be a bit off between torque and the car screen display because the ecu is averaging it out like your fuel gauge. (that is what I suspect at least) I have got equal readings on temperature stable days for both the car display screen and torque, and have since significant ambient temperature change taking awhile to register on the car display.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 21, 2014, 10:32:06 AM
Interesting theory about the averaging. New thought for me. I can see the benefit of averaging on the fuel, but so far not seeing an intended purpose for averaging the ambient though.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 21, 2014, 10:46:25 AM
He may be on to something...I am sure the outside temp would vary wildly once you are stopped etc. Since its only sending the temp for our viewing pleasure (I.e. the car is using the IAT sensors) it very well could be doing that to keep the outside temp going up 10-20 degrees just because you are at a light...interesting.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 21, 2014, 10:49:35 AM
Yep that makes sense..by averaging it would slow and smooth temp transitions.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 21, 2014, 03:04:42 PM
Ok I think I've got it.  Torque is just using the internal PID (standard) for ambient.  I didn't know there was one to be honest.  It's just [46]...

So...just create a new custom PID and leave the PID field blank.  Name it something you can remember like "Ambient".  The in the equation field put [46]...if you want Deg. F then use:

[46]*1.8+32

It should give you the value you are after.  You could then create another custom PID and subtract the IAT2 or CAC temp from ambient (or vice versa) to get the delta and monitor that all day long.

I haven't had time to test the whole thing so let me know if it works!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 21, 2014, 05:15:21 PM
Thanks bud. I will try tonight. I know the -32 is for degrees F but what is the *1.8 for?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 21, 2014, 05:18:09 PM
Also for degrees F. You take your answer and multiply by 9/5 (or 1.8) and add 32.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 21, 2014, 07:04:25 PM
Success I now have a display for Heat Soak. I did have to dink with the formula before I got it to work so you may want to modify your post....or correct me if I'm wrong, but I needed to do this before it would work to give me my ambient

([46]*1.8)+32

Then I just did as you instructed to create the "calculator PID", put both both air temps into it and subtract ambient from IAT2, and voila...total heat gain from ambient to intake manifold. Got to ride with that for a few days to get a sense of readings of open road, idle, city traffic and do on. I think it might be a useful gauge. Thank ecoboostsho for the roadmap all the way!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 21, 2014, 07:08:18 PM
That's with spaces added to avoid the emoticon:

( [ 46 ] * 1.8 ) + 32
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 21, 2014, 08:06:31 PM
Good catch!  I am going to claim too many adult beverages.  It's definitely +32. Glad it worked and I updated my posts.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 24, 2014, 11:54:14 AM
Few days of driving with the heat soak gauge and so far I'm liking it quite a bit. Still getting used to it but readings on the open road with ambient temps in the high 80's my soak reading was between 30 and 35 degrees. With some stop and go mixed in the soak reading rose about 10 degrees to 40 or 45 degrees. City driving went up to 50-55 degrees and the max reading do far was sitting in the garage idling went to 65 to 70 degrees. This is with the stock airbox and a K&N drop in filter and a 170 degree stat. Coolant temps ran from 178 to 185 degrees.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 24, 2014, 11:59:19 AM
Thanks Larry! I have the exact same setup (stock box / k&n / 170) and see exactly the same results. I may put my airaid back on and see if I get different results...

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 24, 2014, 12:08:28 PM
That would be interesting to see. I can't do that experiment anymore as I sold my Airaid some time ago. I really think as I get used to it, the new soak (for want of a better name) gauge will take the place of most of the other air temp gauges on my primary screen.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 26, 2014, 06:00:16 AM
Just keeping the topic alive!  Granted these probably get less interesting since we have the "big ones" figured out.

Catalyst Temp (Already in Torque but Millinium mentioned it might be different so I thought I would check)
PID:  22F43C
Equation: ((((256*A)+B)/10)-40)*1.8+32
Units: Deg. F

AWD Status (1=on/0=off)
PID: 22191C
Equation: A/32768

DTC Count (Note this includes DTC's that don't light the MIL lamp)
PID:22D137
Equation: A

Knock Sensor 1 (# jumping rapidly around...not sure if this is knock counts or what?)
PID: 220403
Equation: A

Knock Sensor 2
PID: 220404
Equation: A

Desired Boost Pressure  (Still working on the formula...not quite right yet.)
PID: 220466
Equation: A/128*.145
Units: PSI

Injector Fault (Note this is "bit encoded" so it will need interpretation...) May have to create a separate gauge for each injector...
PID: 220394
Equation: {Still working on it}  It returns 00000000 which I believe represents up to 8 cylinders (we obviously only have six) so a 00000001 means cylinder 1.  00000010 means 2 etc...?

Variable Camshaft Actual advance (there are actually two of these - one for each cam.  This is #1)
PID: 220318
Equation: Signed(A)/16  (Not verified yet)

RPM (Already in Torque but this is the Ford PID which may respond faster and eliminate lag?)
PID: 22F40C
Equation: A/4
Units: RPM

Turbo "overboost" condition
PID: 22070
Equation...not sure yet.  "No Fault" returns 00000000 so may be bit encoded?

I will get these on the main page eventually...


Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 26, 2014, 06:03:05 AM
Wow fantastic work. I know that our cars do not have a mass airflow sensor. But I wonder if there is a PID for airflow? Or a way to calculate it off other PIDs?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 26, 2014, 06:06:23 AM
Well I did find a Trim PID that calculated air flow in pounds per minute but I'm sure this is a calculated average of some kind and not instantaneous.  If you knew a bunch of variables like volumetric efficiency (which varies), pressure drop, and some others I don't pretend to know I'm sure you could calculate it as I'm guessing that is what the car is doing...I bet you'd like that for your intake testing...it would be awesome to know that!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 26, 2014, 06:35:17 AM
Exactly! I'll do some digging of my own and see what we can find


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 26, 2014, 06:58:59 AM
http://www.lightner.net/obd2guru/IMAP_AFcalc.html (http://www.lightner.net/obd2guru/IMAP_AFcalc.html)

This would do it.  Even if you just picked a number for the volumetric efficiency we could calculate all this on the fly in Torque and then you could pick up the delta's.  In other words it wouldn't be totally accurate with the VE but the difference between two intakes would show up.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 26, 2014, 09:26:50 AM
I would think this might be a good benchmark to keep tabs on intake valve carbon buildup since VE suffers.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 26, 2014, 09:55:09 AM
I would think this might be a good benchmark to keep tabs on intake valve carbon buildup since VE suffers.
I don't know how much it would vary but that is a really great idea!  You could baseline it and then have say the BG service done and see if it changed much.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 26, 2014, 10:05:28 AM
Or.....establish a baseline from a new and un compromised system, then slowly watch the VE drop. At some benchmark, say 5% loss, time for cleaning.  Have to get an idea of a correlation between % VE drop and % HP drop.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 26, 2014, 11:00:14 AM
It would also be a good indicator of when to clean your air filter.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 26, 2014, 06:12:57 PM
my way of keeping the thread alive.. :)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 26, 2014, 06:18:12 PM
Nice setup! What device are you running it on?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on June 26, 2014, 06:19:16 PM
Nice setup! What device are you running it on?

A Galaxy S4, mount it on the windscreen... does the job!

The other thing i will share with you guys is, if you have dashcommand on a Android Device with 4.4.2 and above, you guys can use the developer option, enable bluetooth HCI snoop , and get the PIDs from when DashCommand communicates with your ECU... freaking awesome.

After getting the snoop log file, get Wireshark to open the log file and read to your heart's content!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 27, 2014, 05:37:58 AM
Good to know!  I don't have Dash Command so I have been downloading a free serial analyzer/sniffer on my laptop and just watching it right on the screen...then translating to Torque.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 27, 2014, 05:46:00 AM
Cleaned up some of my work.  I have been working on a new upload file which I posted that contains some formula fixes.  Also if anyone was following along with my previous post on the AWD PIDS on a 2010-2012 the "Header" actually needs to be 761 NOT 726 as I had previously stated.  I updated everything so it should be accurate now...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 27, 2014, 07:09:27 AM
Sweet thanks Ecoboostsho!


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 27, 2014, 10:06:23 AM
Quick question, would it be possible to do your heat soak gauge with IAT1 and CAC? I am finding some interesting results when comparing the 2 readings at a glance. At times IAT1 is higher than the CAC temps.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 27, 2014, 10:38:58 AM
Sure why not. If you have two values and you are watching the increase/difference between the two readings, I thought it would be easier to have the gauge do the arithmetic. In my case I wanted to see the total heat gained by ambient air as it went through the process of being delivered to the intake manifold so I used the sensors at each extreme. I'm sure it would work just as well using the values of the two middle sensors.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 27, 2014, 10:54:17 AM
Just adding to your post above and more questions lol. I have also noticed on torque during the day the ambient temp is always higher than the dash reading. Sometimes by 10C. The dash reflects the current weather data without humidity. For example today it's 27C feels like 32C. The dash reads 27 and the ambient on torque is 34C The ambient is closer to the current weather data plus humidity? Is it possible that it's taking humidity into effect? Or could there be another explanation.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 27, 2014, 11:13:01 AM
Sweet thanks Ecoboostsho!


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If you downloaded it I suggest you do it one more time...I ended up typing a few additional things.  I need to find a better CSV editor than Excel.  It keeps converting my PIDs to scientific notation and breaking them...I fixed the Catalyst temp but it is exactly the same as Torque from what I can see.  The equation for "Desired Boost" is definitely wrong as well...still working on it.
Title: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on June 27, 2014, 11:13:42 AM
I don't have a favorite theory yet. There are times where I see the two temps a good 10 degrees apart and others where they are within one or two degrees. My first excuse was two sensors in different locations. That's a weak theory though I think. The averaging theory for the dash display is certainly interesting and it might be the reason.....just don't know. I hope by observing eventually a solid theory will emerge. Never heard any mention of a humidity sensor.....on the car or in the tablet. The car and the tablet each have GPS sensors and inertia sensors I think? ? ?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 02, 2014, 05:37:15 AM
I've been messing with the "Desired Boost" PID and it has been driving me crazy, but I think I've finally figured it out for anyone that cares!  It was never matching the boost gauge in Torque and didn't seem linearly related at all so I couldn't figure out the equation.  Then I stumbled on a PID called "Throttle Inlet Pressure Sensor".  If you remember our cars have (at least) two pressure sensors (there is an additional one for barometric pressure as well someplace) - one sitting on top of the manifold (also combined with IAT2) and one right before the throttle plate.  I figured out the throttle plate PID (22033E) and watched that and sure enough that is what tracks to "Desired Boost".  It makes sense actually since there would be a pressure drop across the throttle plate depending on how far it was open (and max is only 80% anyway).  So bottom line is the MAP sensor on top of the manifold will probably never match "Desired Boost" - although it should get close at WOT. I'm also guessing manifold pressure will be lower since air is being sucked out of the intake manifold and in to the valves - that and the combined larger volume of the manifold.

Application: You could create a differential gauge as discussed previously to see if your turbos were keeping up with the requested boost - could be useful to discover boost leaks etc...

Desired Boost  (This won't read vacuum but does vary slightly with barometric pressure)
PID: 220466
Equation: ((256*A)+B)/128*.145-14.7
Deg: PSI

Throttle Inlet Pressure Sensor
PID: 22033E
Equation: ((256*A)+B)/128*.145-14.7
Deg: PSI

Intake Manifold pressure  (already in Torque)
PID: 22F40B
Equation: A*.145
Deg: PSI
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 02, 2014, 06:06:02 AM
What's the difference between desired boost, and throttle inlet pressure?  Not quite seeing the tasks yet. Also is there a difference in readings between the built in boost (Torque) and the custom PID Intake Manifold Pressure?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 02, 2014, 06:06:45 AM
Great work! For anyone using the TB map sensor, keep in mind that you will see some spikes in the reading. If the TB snaps shut at a high boost level there is a slight lag before the BOVs kick in. I have seen readings on mine as high as 30psi in FORScan.


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Title: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 02, 2014, 06:11:32 AM
What's the difference between desired boost, and throttle inlet pressure?  Not quite seeing the tasks yet. Also is there a difference in readings between the built in boost (Torque) and the custom PID Intake Manifold Pressure?

Great question, desired boost is essentially the same as commanded boost. This is what the PCM is calling for. The throttle inlet pressure is the reading just before the TB and after the CAC.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 02, 2014, 06:21:50 AM
What's the difference between desired boost, and throttle inlet pressure?  Not quite seeing the tasks yet. Also is there a difference in readings between the built in boost (Torque) and the custom PID Intake Manifold Pressure?

Great question, desired boost is essentially the same as commanded boost. This is what the PCM is calling for. The throttle inlet pressure is the reading just before the TB and after the CAC.


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Yep!

Larry - as for any difference between Torque and the MAP sensor I don't know just yet.  I will have to track it for a bit and see.  Actual boost should take in to account the barometric pressure as well (the sensor above probably doesn't).  I don't know if Torque does or not.  Either way it would only change the values slightly unless you live in Denver/mountains etc...

I updated the file on the first page and included a differential pressure gauge for anyone that wants to mess with it.  As long as I didn't typo anything it should be good to go.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 02, 2014, 06:23:16 AM
So the differential reading would be subtracting the delivered (intake manifold) from the desired (PCM not sensor). Sounds like an interesting reading!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 02, 2014, 06:25:15 AM

What's the difference between desired boost, and throttle inlet pressure?  Not quite seeing the tasks yet. Also is there a difference in readings between the built in boost (Torque) and the custom PID Intake Manifold Pressure?

Great question, desired boost is essentially the same as commanded boost. This is what the PCM is calling for. The throttle inlet pressure is the reading just before the TB and after the CAC.


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Yep!

Larry - as for any difference between Torque and the MAP sensor I don't know just yet.  I will have to track it for a bit and see.  Actual boost should take in to account the barometric pressure as well (the sensor above probably doesn't).  I don't know if Torque does or not.  Either way it would only change the values slightly unless you live in Denver/mountains etc...

I updated the file on the first page and included a differential pressure gauge for anyone that wants to mess with it.  As long as I didn't typo anything it should be good to go.

OK. I'll check it out. Sounds like fun!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 02, 2014, 06:31:42 AM
Yup this one sounds like the most promising. Just the fact that you can tell at a glance is something is wrong with the car sounds really interesting. This might even work for detecting flow restrictions. In my case with the S&B filter or a dirty one?


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 02, 2014, 06:39:44 AM
Thanks to this thread and all the effort it represents, the modest project I undertook 2 years ago to run Torque on a dedicated Nexus 7 is still evolving and providing me with new and interesting facets. One of my best toys yet!  Thanks guys!!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 02, 2014, 07:30:46 AM
Thanks to this thread and all the effort it represents, the modest project I undertook 2 years ago to run Torque on a dedicated Nexus 7 is still evolving and providing me with new and interesting facets. One of my best toys yet!  Thanks guys!!

Agreed!  It has been fun and I honestly like that we keep finding new things to play with. 
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 02, 2014, 07:34:47 AM
So the differential reading would be subtracting the delivered (intake manifold) from the desired (PCM not sensor). Sounds like an interesting reading!

Almost...the only subtle difference is that it is subtracting the delivered pressure BEFORE the throttle plate (not the intake manifold) from the desired (PCM) pressure.  Same concept but intake manifold pressure (i.e. boost gauge pressure) will be lower due to above stated reasons.

If you've got a leaking hose this would show up as a differential pressure loss (number would be positive on the gauge though since it's desired minus actual).  It would be best to baseline your car with known good hoses and then compare it later if you think you have a boost leak to look for differences.
Title: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 02, 2014, 07:59:48 AM
Here is a find I made a month or so ago through pure blind luck. If I had had a working "Boost Leak" gauge I might have been suspicious enough to look harder sooner.

(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/larry114/eafb0345e2a4e73a969f6722a169181c_zps4584aa83.jpg)

This O ring has been broken all the time I've had the car as far as I know.  It's located in the "noise maker".
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 02, 2014, 08:02:19 AM

Here is a find I made a month or so ago through pure blind luck. If I had had a working "Boost Leak" gauge I might have been suspicious enough to look harder sooner.

([url]http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/larry114/eafb0345e2a4e73a969f6722a169181c_zps4584aa83.jpg[/url])

This O ring has been broken all the time I've had the car as far as I know.  It's located in the "noise maker".

That would do it. Good that you found it!



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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 02, 2014, 08:09:02 AM
Good you found that!  When I had my turbo going bad the hose on the front turbo was "Porous" according to the dealer and had to be replaced.  I'm not sure how bad it was as I never saw it but I'm pretty sure I had a boost leak as well...this potentially would have helped both situations!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 02, 2014, 10:54:49 AM
Just a heads up that I tweaked the formula's and the file a bit...I am subtracting 14.7 psi (atmospheric barometric pressure) from the pressure sensor equations so Desired boost is actually 0 when you aren't on the throttle. Same for Throttle Inlet.  I also corrected the Intake manifold pressure equation...it's just "A" multiplied by .145 for PSI.  You will get weird numbers when it is a vacuum reading but it should be useful to reference against the Torque Boost gauge.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 02, 2014, 10:58:34 AM
Can't you stipulate a number greater than 0 as a minimum reading in setting up the PID or in the torque gauge set up?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 04, 2014, 12:40:07 PM
I cant get my AWD % to work. All the inputs are correct. Maybe its just not supported on the 13?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 04, 2014, 12:42:39 PM
It could be a different module/address...did you try 761 in the header? If you did then Try leaving it blank or type in auto and see if that works.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 04, 2014, 01:33:04 PM
It could be a different module/address...did you try 761 in the header? If you did then Try leaving it blank or type in auto and see if that works.

Yeah i used the header 761. Ill try to use auto. Also is the octane PID supposed to read 100%?

All the others work perfectly and i really appreciate all the work you have done! Very impressive write up! Thank you for your time!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 04, 2014, 02:14:01 PM
Yes the octane PID should be 100% ideally. I was at 75% for a bit but then switched gas stations and it actually went up to 100...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 04, 2014, 02:22:55 PM

Yes the octane PID should be 100% ideally. I was at 75% for a bit but then switched gas stations and it actually went up to 100...
I could use a quick run down on the octane PID. I'm trying to envision the best way this could be used. It's learned octane right?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 04, 2014, 03:23:41 PM

Yes the octane PID should be 100% ideally. I was at 75% for a bit but then switched gas stations and it actually went up to 100...
I could use a quick run down on the octane PID. I'm trying to envision the best way this could be used. It's learned octane right?
Right off the top of my head, gas quality...


Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 04, 2014, 03:24:27 PM
Yes the octane PID should be 100% ideally. I was at 75% for a bit but then switched gas stations and it actually went up to 100...
Notice any difference in how the car ran?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 04, 2014, 03:26:35 PM
Lots of info here...

http://focusst.net/threads/want-to-data-log-or-monitor-your-focus-st-this-is-how.161/ (http://focusst.net/threads/want-to-data-log-or-monitor-your-focus-st-this-is-how.161/)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 04, 2014, 03:38:29 PM
Yes the octane PID should be 100% ideally. I was at 75% for a bit but then switched gas stations and it actually went up to 100...
Notice any difference in how the car ran?
Well I honestly thought it felt stronger but I have always been wary of seat of the pants testing...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 04, 2014, 04:13:17 PM
Now all I need is a ethanol PID hah. Wish we had a sensor stock.


Are there any flex fuel taurus versions? If so would it be possible for our ecu to recognize a ethanol sensor?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 04, 2014, 04:27:16 PM
Now all I need is a ethanol PID hah. Wish we had a sensor stock.


Are there any flex fuel taurus versions? If so would it be possible for our ecu to recognize a ethanol sensor?
There is a flex fuel Taurus I believe. Ecu could read the sensor if it had an input available, however the programming would have to be altered. So not likely it would be easy...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 04, 2014, 07:58:18 PM
Nobody uses sensors anymore, they use fuel inference. Aka deductive fueling logic.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 04, 2014, 08:04:25 PM
Apparently there Is a pid for this. But you will need to scan for it immediately after fill up as that is when the computer looks at the fuel.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 05, 2014, 04:11:27 AM
Not getting it.  What is "Learned Octane" and what does 75% or 100% of it mean? 
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Post by: ecoboostsho on July 05, 2014, 05:18:23 AM
Not getting it.  What is "Learned Octane" and what does 75% or 100% of it mean? 
So the best way I can explain it is that the car is designed to run on a wide variety of Octane from the factory.  It has to accommodate for Octane as low as 87 I believe.  It doesn't have an actual sensor to do this but "Learns" it from (going to speculate a little bit here) knock or maybe some other parameters.  If you put in 87 the car is going to knock more than when using 93....it sees the knock and probably pulls some timing, but I'm sure there is an algorithm that maybe adds it back in while it is learning to "test" it...if the knock is there under certain conditions then the ECU finally assumes you've put in lower octane gas and switches to a different timing table with lower numbers.  You lose power but the car is still happy.  It then sets the Learned Octane Ratio to a number that loosely corresponds to what it thinks the Octane of the gas is.  Note: If you car is tuned for 93 then use 93 etc....the tune isn't going to compensate appropriately for 87 Octane.  I believe anything over 91 or 93 octane should result in 100% while 87 may put you closer to 0%...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 05, 2014, 05:30:54 AM

Not getting it.  What is "Learned Octane" and what does 75% or 100% of it mean? 
So the best way I can explain it is that the car is designed to run on a wide variety of Octane from the factory.  It has to accommodate for Octane as low as 87 I believe.  It doesn't have an actual sensor to do this but "Learns" it from (going to speculate a little bit here) knock or maybe some other parameters.  If you put in 87 the car is going to knock more than when using 93....it sees the knock and probably pulls some timing, but I'm sure there is an algorithm that maybe adds it back in while it is learning to "test" it...if the knock is there under certain conditions then the ECU finally assumes you've put in lower octane gas and switches to a different timing table with lower numbers.  You lose power but the car is still happy.  It then sets the Learned Octane Ratio to a number that loosely corresponds to what it thinks the Octane of the gas is.  Note: If you car is tuned for 93 then use 93 etc....the tune isn't going to compensate appropriately for 87 Octane.  I believe anything over 91 or 93 octane should result in 100% while 87 may put you closer to 0%...

Thank you. That makes a lot of sense. Now I've got to add one more gauge. That would be really great to have displayed!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 05, 2014, 06:52:38 AM
First test showed my usual 93 Sunoco achieving a 100% on startup. It will be interesting now to log some miles and see what turns up!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 05, 2014, 07:03:34 AM
First test showed my usual 93 Sunoco achieving a 100% on startup. It will be interesting now to log some miles and see what turns up!
Excellent! If you ever want to see it in action you can pull your battery cable for a few minutes and watch it start over at 0...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 05, 2014, 07:07:32 AM
In theory if I got a tank of low octane, I could expect that I'd start to see some recalculations happening pretty quick.....right?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 05, 2014, 07:46:11 AM
I believe so. Mine reacts pretty quick...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 05, 2014, 09:40:08 AM
Finally loaded these up. Thanks again for all your hard work!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 05, 2014, 10:01:49 AM
What is our cars weight with a full tank?  A little over 4500?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 05, 2014, 10:05:28 AM
4341 + 119 in gas = 4460 plus or minus depending on options I suppose. Then add yourself!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 05, 2014, 11:24:11 AM
Thanks for the help! I'll see what i get with my e30 tune.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 05, 2014, 11:31:12 AM
I'm curious about your results, I think the highest I've seen is 346/338 TQ/HP from a 280-290ish baseline.

Torque calculates WHP/WTQ so the baseline correlates with the stock dynos I've seen.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 05, 2014, 11:34:17 AM
4341 + 119 in gas = 4460 plus or minus depending on options I suppose. Then add yourself!
When I had my car weighed, I was at 4690 with a full tank and me at 160 lBS.

If you have a trash dump that uses scales to calculate cost, the may give you your weight if you ask nicely.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 05, 2014, 11:35:04 AM
What is our cars weight with a full tank?  A little over 4500?

Did you have any luck with the AWD pid?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 05, 2014, 12:10:09 PM
4341 + 119 in gas = 4460 plus or minus depending on options I suppose. Then add yourself!
When I had my car weighed, I was at 4690 with a full tank and me at 160 lBS.

If you have a trash dump that uses scales to calculate cost, the may give you your weight if you ask nicely.

Was that with or without the spare tire? Spare weighs in at 39lbs. I replaced mine with fords performance pack tire fix kit.

No luck with the awd PID. Tired leaving it blank. Tried putting in AUTO but it still doesn't receive any data.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 05, 2014, 04:44:53 PM
Is it possible to have a PID that shows the temperature difference between the intake temp and the post CAC temp?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 05, 2014, 04:56:15 PM
Yes you can. The method is laid out in this thread. I did it subtracting ambient from IAT2 (charge temp). Works great.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 05, 2014, 11:52:32 PM
Yes you can. The method is laid out in this thread. I did it subtracting ambient from IAT2 (charge temp). Works great.

Ok i read pages 11 and 12 but i cant figure out what exactly needs to be done. How do i go about doing this?

I use this equation ( [ 46 ] * 1.8 ) + 32 and subtract it from? Kinda lost.. ha.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 06, 2014, 04:52:26 AM
You need to create 3 new PIDs as follows in the format of "Long Name", "Short Name", PID, Equation:

Intake Air Temp 2   IAT2   2203ca   (A-40)*1.8+32   
Ambient Temp   Ambient Temp      [46]*1.8+32   
Ambient to IAT2   Temp Diff      (VAL{Intake Air Temp 2})-(VAL{Ambient Temp})

Then add the gauge Ambient to IAT2 and that should get you the total "heatsoak"...The trick to the third gauge is that there isn't a PID...you leave it blank and then create an equation referencing the first two PIDs you created.

Hope that helps?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 06, 2014, 05:49:48 AM

You need to create 3 new PIDs as follows in the format of "Long Name", "Short Name", PID, Equation:

Intake Air Temp 2IAT22203ca(A-40)*1.8+32
Ambient TempAmbient Temp[46]*1.8+32
Ambient to IAT2Temp Diff(VAL{Intake Air Temp 2})-(VAL{Ambient Temp})

Then add the gauge Ambient to IAT2 and that should get you the total "heatsoak"...The trick to the third gauge is that there isn't a PID...you leave it blank and then create an equation referencing the first two PIDs you created.

Hope that helps?

So that's the method, and the example formula would get you my heat soak gauge, but you are looking for the differential between CAC and IAT2 right? So substitute your desired PID's into the "calculating" PID. Voila...you have a powerful gauge making capability. One limitation is that I don't think that the built in gauges in Torque work as internal PID's inside this calculating PID.  The custom PID's work great with it though!  Have fun and share your idea/result!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 06, 2014, 07:28:42 AM
I was trying a new program last night on my car. And it gave me a mass air flow rate? Any thoughts? I'll see if I can get the PID for it later today.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 06, 2014, 07:30:36 AM
It would have to he calculated since we don't have mass air flow sensors but definitely interested! I've got a calculated mass air flow gauge but it only reads less than a gram per second all the time which is ridiculously small...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 06, 2014, 08:39:52 AM
You need to create 3 new PIDs as follows in the format of "Long Name", "Short Name", PID, Equation:

Intake Air Temp 2IAT22203ca(A-40)*1.8+32
Ambient TempAmbient Temp[46]*1.8+32
Ambient to IAT2Temp Diff(VAL{Intake Air Temp 2})-(VAL{Ambient Temp})

Then add the gauge Ambient to IAT2 and that should get you the total "heatsoak"...The trick to the third gauge is that there isn't a PID...you leave it blank and then create an equation referencing the first two PIDs you created.

Hope that helps?
Ok I get it now. What I am looking to do is subtract the air temp by the filter box from the sensor temp right before the throttle body. Since that sensor isn't heat soaked on top of the intake it should give me a more accurate reading of what the intercooler is doing.

Would I just use the equations from page one in place of the ones you just made an example with?

Thank you for the help!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 06, 2014, 08:40:39 AM
Yep. That should do it.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 06, 2014, 11:24:14 AM
Can i use the already existing PID for intake air temp? Or do i need to create a new one? If i do what would the formula for that be?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 06, 2014, 06:16:31 PM
Is the waste gate % supposed to be showing a value while under throttle? Seems like it's opening under boost...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 06, 2014, 06:37:27 PM
Can i use the already existing PID for intake air temp? Or do i need to create a new one? If i do what would the formula for that be?
Sorry for the late reply but I couldn't grab this out of the car. 

IAT1

PID: 22F40f
Equation ((A-40)*1.8 )+32

...and yes you can just substitute that in for the formula and calculate the difference.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 06, 2014, 06:39:34 PM
Is the waste gate % supposed to be showing a value while under throttle? Seems like it's opening under boost...
Yes it will do that I believe.  It regulates the boost to a pre determined level based on throttle and boost level.  If it only wants 11 psi it will open under boost to keep that number.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 06, 2014, 07:00:34 PM
Can i use the already existing PID for intake air temp? Or do i need to create a new one? If i do what would the formula for that be?
Sorry for the late reply but I couldn't grab this out of the car. 

IAT1

PID: 22F40f
Equation ((A-40)*1.8 )+32

...and yes you can just substitute that in for the formula and calculate the difference.

Is the waste gate % supposed to be showing a value while under throttle? Seems like it's opening under boost...
Yes it will do that I believe.  It regulates the boost to a pre determined level based on throttle and boost level.  If it only wants 11 psi it will open under boost to keep that number.

Ok great! Thank you for the help!

It would make sense to moderate the boost that way. Under heavy throttle  sometimes I see 80%. Must be lots of boost left in these turbos.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 07:45:27 AM
EBPF Mad Scientists Thread ...you guys are awesome...getting ready to order my goods to set up Torque. ..is there a torque for dummies setup yet...lol....thx again
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 07, 2014, 11:34:10 AM
EBPF Mad Scientists Thread ...you guys are awesome...getting ready to order my goods to set up Torque. ..is there a torque for dummies setup yet...lol....thx again
Glad you are going to start monitoring! What are you going to run Torque on if I may ask?  I currently use a Droid Maxx but would like a little more screen real estate so I may move up to a 7" tablet. 
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 07, 2014, 11:53:02 AM

EBPF Mad Scientists Thread ...you guys are awesome...getting ready to order my goods to set up Torque. ..is there a torque for dummies setup yet...lol....thx again
Glad you are going to start monitoring! What are you going to run Torque on if I may ask?  I currently use a Droid Maxx but would like a little more screen real estate so I may move up to a 7" tablet.

AHRGH!!  What ever you got ......it's never big enough. I have a Nexus 7 and I wish it was bigger. Just like flat screen TV's I guess.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 11:54:07 AM
Just received free Samsung galaxy tab 2 (7") from Verizon last week with our new contracts...actually walked out only adding $7 to our monthly bill with cell service to both our tablets...we've had car for 3 months now and it's killing me to not be monitoring it...i see there's a couple different wires to hook the tablet up to car...haven't looked in last week so the names I don't remember. ..take it I need to buy the expensive one to achieve best results...was gonna order today but have been busy with sick animal to the vet all day...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 07, 2014, 12:06:47 PM
Guy on another forum has decided not to do the tablet thing and is selling his MX dongle. That's the one to get in my opinion.  I think I remember him asking $50. If interested PM me for contact info. Only one wire really. Just need to hook the USB charger cord to a hot on ignition fuse if you want auto on and off. If you don't mind plugging and unplugging, and you are not going to stealth your cord, then you don't even have to do that. I did though!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 12:18:38 PM
Am I looking at wrong harness...obdlink mx
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 12:20:25 PM
Larry, how tough was it to stealth the wire... i know it gets pretty messy under some dashboards
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 07, 2014, 12:20:49 PM

Am I looking at wrong harness...obdlink mx
That's the one you want. It's not a harness though. It's a dongle that plugs into the OBD port and hooks to the tablet using Bluetooth.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: glock-coma on July 07, 2014, 12:21:04 PM

EBPF Mad Scientists Thread ...you guys are awesome...getting ready to order my goods to set up Torque. ..is there a torque for dummies setup yet...lol....thx again

Glad you are going to start monitoring! What are you going to run Torque on if I may ask?  I currently use a Droid Maxx but would like a little more screen real estate so I may move up to a 7" tablet.


I highly recommend the asus memo pad hd7. It's basically a nexus minus the google name.  Asus actually make the nexus.
I did a lot of reasearch before I made my decision last year.
One of the main selling points for me was the micro sd slot (up to 32gb) which the nexus does not have.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00E0EY7Z6?pc_redir=1404612952&robot_redir=1
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 07, 2014, 12:27:03 PM

Larry, how tough was it to stealth the wire... i know it gets pretty messy under some dashboards
It's not bad really. It's pretty cramped under the dash drivers side where the fuse box is located. If you are young and flexible no prob. I'm not so I struggled.  I wired a female cig lighter connector to a hot on ignition wire I found on an unused fuse. Then I plugged in a car USB adaptor into that. Then ran the USB under the dash and the rest depends on where you decide to mount your tablet. I mounted mine over the Nav display so I came out with the USB cable from under the speaker grill.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 12:27:40 PM
My terminology will get better, I hope...so much to learn about these high tech rides nowadays. ..think I've just overstuffed my brain last few months with all the great info here...thx for all the tips and pointers, they are greatly appreciated...

Have the owners of torque approached you guys for job openings yet...lol
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 12:33:45 PM
That sounds doable. I have a 10 year old with skinny arms and a love for working with dad...sounds like a perfect job for us
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 07, 2014, 12:35:53 PM

My terminology will get better, I hope...so much to learn about these high tech rides nowadays. ..think I've just overstuffed my brain last few months with all the great info here...thx for all the tips and pointers, they are greatly appreciated...

Have the owners of torque approached you guys for job openings yet...lol

I'd make a good cheerleader cause I really like and enjoy working and learning with it, but I'm not a nerd so it takes me a while sometimes to solve problems. I've been playing with my Tablet with torque for close to a couple of years now and the enjoyment keeps ramping up as I learn more and do more. ecoboostsho in particular has done more to expand the usefulness of Torque in our vehicles than I could have ever envisioned. So I do encourage you and if I can help with advice or info, I'm glad to repay what I have received.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 12:36:15 PM
Thx for the advice glock-coma. Gonna run this freebie first.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 12:40:42 PM
The teamwork and selflessness in this thread is beyond words. I imagine that I will be a confused puppy looking for guidance shortly. Math I always loved, patience is still a work in progress. At some point I might have to offer up some drinks and dinner for a good tutorial! !!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 07, 2014, 12:48:25 PM
Definitely a team effort!  I may have figured out a way to get the PIDs but everyone on this thread has helped in many ways - either through testing or coming up with great ideas or even contributing their own PIDs etc...  It's been a lot of fun!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 07, 2014, 12:51:08 PM
I spent most of my initial efforts on the physical installation. Wiring and mounting because I'm fussy and I had a goal of how I wanted the tablet to work (auto on and off and self maintaining charge). Once I got that accomplished I thought I was done but I found out that Torque is pretty powerful and customizable so the work (or play) continues.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 12:57:42 PM
Can't wait to join you guys and by some miracle am able to contribute...vet just quoted us at 4-700 bucks...small price to pay to keep the family happy...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 07, 2014, 12:59:04 PM
Can't wait to join you guys and by some miracle am able to contribute...vet just quoted us at 4-700 bucks...small price to pay to keep the family happy...
Ouch...hope everything turns out all right!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 07, 2014, 01:00:14 PM
Hope you get stellar recovery.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 01:06:06 PM
Thx...from the sound of vet we should be ok...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 01:10:09 PM
Which one would be best? Bluetooth or wifi? I can accommodate either one. If there isn't a performance difference, I'm thinking Bluetooth to avoid extra data usage.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 07, 2014, 01:16:44 PM
You are only communicating from the MX to the tablet a couple of feet away. So data use is not a factor. Speed is important and the MX has proven to be one of the fastest so I think Bluetooth is the way to go. MX turns itself off when car activity stops...another big factor I think.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 07, 2014, 01:18:56 PM
Which one would be best? Bluetooth or wifi? I can accommodate either one. If there isn't a performance difference, I'm thinking Bluetooth to avoid extra data usage.

While you can get a MX to communicate over Wifi or Bluetooth I'm not sure if Torque will recognize the Wifi adapter...Bluetooth looks more like a serial port.

From a pure speed either should be more than adequate.  Bluetooth 3.0 is 24mbps and Wifi (depending on whether it is G or N) is capable of hundred of megabits per second.  However the CAN bus is only 500kbps so either technology is plenty fast enough.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 01:27:04 PM
Thx. As I try to order the Bluetooth model on scantool.net it keeps redirecting me to order the wifi version...next site here I come...

Any site you guys prefer? As I'm gonna purchase some aftermarket goods from ecopowerparts.com to support what happens here, I would buy from a site that's got good reviews from here to further SHO the family feel of owning a SHO
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 07, 2014, 01:34:31 PM
I ordered from scantool.net...just went out there now and it looks like I can order one?
http://www.scantool.net/obdlink-mx.html (http://www.scantool.net/obdlink-mx.html)

I was able to add it to a cart and proceed to checkout. 
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 01:37:40 PM
Gonna try cpu instead of phone then...getting excited!!!

By the way, is the fastest tune only SHO still the 12.669?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 07, 2014, 03:00:05 PM
Amazon also sells them.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on July 07, 2014, 03:44:55 PM
OBDLink MX is the best one, but it does cost $100 direct from Amazon.  I don't know if 4DR Mike has a line on any better deals.

BTW, was watching a couple of shows on House Hunters International.  Seems they have a good vet school out in St. Kitt's.  Maybe paying off those loans is just as much of a headache as med school!

Good luck with your pet.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 04:00:33 PM
Thx ...my better half racked up some nice school bills becoming a nurse, definitely paying off now...

Just ordered from scantool.net and am officially itching to get it going...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 05:16:15 PM
Larry, did you receive my pm back...doesn't show in my pm ' s for some reason...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on July 07, 2014, 05:28:38 PM
If you are looking for PMs you sent, you need to click on MY MESSAGES, then MESSAGES, then SENT ITEMS.  HTH.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 07, 2014, 06:16:47 PM
Anything look wrong with this? For some reason this is the only one that just will not work. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/08/a3a2u5av.jpg)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 07, 2014, 06:21:38 PM
Yeah, I wish I could get awd to work also. I'm also uncomfortable with the knock gauge. It was active in the negatives my entire way to work when cruise was lightly accelerating on slight grades. It was actually pulling timing, not adding. I guess it could be pulling less timing though.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 07, 2014, 06:22:40 PM
Anything look wrong with this? For some reason this is the only one that just will not work. ([url]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/08/a3a2u5av.jpg[/url])

Looks good. Do you get a response when you hit "test"?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 07, 2014, 06:24:27 PM
Anything look wrong with this? For some reason this is the only one that just will not work. ([url]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/08/a3a2u5av.jpg[/url])

Looks good. Do you get a response when you hit "test"?

It won't respond. Not sure what's going on. Maybe I'll delete it and recreate it.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 07, 2014, 06:26:20 PM
I unfortunately believe the module address is different. Do you have a laptop and Forscan by chance?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: dalum on July 07, 2014, 07:37:09 PM
The wifi vs bluetooth question is really if you're going to be using apple or android on the other end.  The apple's can't use the bluetooth for some technical rules reason so it needs the wifi.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: glock-coma on July 07, 2014, 08:01:31 PM
Anything look wrong with this? For some reason this is the only one that just will not work. ([url]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/08/a3a2u5av.jpg[/url])

I get a response with this. The % goes up on take off and turns but then goes back to 0% when cruising.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/08/qe3ura4u.jpg)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 07, 2014, 08:12:37 PM
The wifi vs bluetooth question is really if you're going to be using apple or android on the other end.  The apple's can't use the bluetooth for some technical rules reason so it needs the wifi.
This must be what I read somewhere that made me wonder. Thanks.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 07, 2014, 08:55:08 PM
I unfortunately believe the module address is different. Do you have a laptop and Forscan by chance?
I do. What should I look for specifically?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 08, 2014, 06:26:51 AM
I unfortunately believe the module address is different. Do you have a laptop and Forscan by chance?

I do. What should I look for specifically?

Well it depends on how comfortable you are trying this.  At some point I can hopefully find time to create some screen shots of the whole process.  If you are willing to you can download a free serial port sniffer - I used this one.  http://freeserialanalyzer.com/ (http://freeserialanalyzer.com/)

It has some limitations (30 minute max session time) but works really well and even sees Bluetooth COM port data.  You basically install that on the same laptop as you have your Scanning Software (Forscan works great).  You start Forscan and connect it to the car.  Then select the AWD PID you are after (and just that PID).  Now before you hit the "start" button in Forscan you want to fire up the serial analyzer and then "connect" to the COM port that Forscan is using (this will vary).  Select "Packet View" and then "start" capturing data.  Switch back to Forscan and then start capturing the PID.  You literally need a couple of seconds of data as it will create a lot of lines in the serial analyzer very quickly.

Now comes the fun part.  Using the serial analyzer you can look at the data captured line by line.  You should see alternating Reads and Writes.  When the scantool is requesting a PID it will always start with "22xxxx" where the xxxx is the actual PID for whatever you were scanning.  The response will always be "62xxxx" which will include the same PID.  The next several bytes include the response from the car and they are always in Hexidecimal.  For the AWD PID you would expect a Zero response and you should see a "00" come back.

For the AWD PID you also need to determine the module address.  If you go back to the very beginning of the lines in the serial analyzer you will see a set of ASCII codes it sends to the car to set up the PIDs it is requesting.  You are looking for a line right a the beginning that includes the following:
STCAFCP761, 726.  In this example the 761 is the module address of the AWD unit in a 2011 Taurus.  726 is the address of the scantool I believe.  If you find this command look for the 3 digits right after the STCAFCP...  That should be the module address you are after.  You take this and plug that 3 digit number in to the "Header" portion of Torque.  Add your PID and equation and you should be good to go.

I know that is a lot of info to digest but it isn't as complicated as it sounds once you get in to it.  The hard part is actually figuring out the equation but I think we've got that already for the AWD PID and I don't see why that would have changed in the 2013+ cars. 

Good luck if you try this! I will help how I can:)

Honestly even if you can capture the data stream from the serial analyzer I will decode it for you.  You can export it to a file from the menu.  PM me and I will set you up with my personal email to look at it.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 08, 2014, 06:54:32 AM
I'll try to tackle this tonight. It doesn't sound to bad. I've done worse hah. It will be interesting to see why my current pid won't work.

Thanks for the detailed how to. I appreciate it!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 08, 2014, 03:28:40 PM
What should I look for when looking for a PTU signal of some kind?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 08, 2014, 04:10:52 PM
Look at Forscan. Do you have a AWD module? If so check there. If not you will have to try and find it by looking at all the PID s.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 08, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Ok I have FORScan up and running. Anyone around to help? I found some cool stuff I d like to watch.  Like cylinder acceleration value of each cylinder.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 08, 2014, 07:56:32 PM
Interesting how it has airflow trim measurements for both a/c on and a/c off.

Combustion performace counter.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 08, 2014, 08:25:52 PM

Interesting how it has airflow trim measurements for both a/c on and a/c off.

Combustion performace counter.

Combustion performance counter? I'll have to check that one out. If you have the MX adapter. You can also do the self checks for each module and perform the adaptions reset. (Kinda like unplugging the battery). Just ensure that you follow the instructions on the screen when doing the maintenance operations.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 08, 2014, 08:27:49 PM
Can't find anything related to the AWD system. Its under the PCM correct?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 08, 2014, 08:29:28 PM

Can't find anything related to the AWD system. Its under the PCM correct?
Yes it should, it might be labeled transfer case ...


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 08, 2014, 08:37:48 PM
Can't find anything! So weird. There are hundreds of them but nothing drive related. If someone gets a chance could you get a picture of the actual PID name.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 08, 2014, 09:00:57 PM
Can't find anything! So weird. There are hundreds of them but nothing drive related. If someone gets a chance could you get a picture of the actual PID name.

Here you go.

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 08, 2014, 09:09:48 PM
This is all i have... Wonder if its just not there or if its cause im using a non MX obd. I dont think its adapter related if i am able to see so many others.

What is the PID for the AWD %?

Anyone else with a non PP 13 have any transfercase PID's?

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 08, 2014, 09:12:45 PM
I just checked our 2011 explorer and it wasn't there either. I guess they didn't install one on non liquid cooled PTUs.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 08, 2014, 09:23:56 PM
I just checked our 2011 explorer and it wasn't there either. I guess they didn't install one on non liquid cooled PTUs.


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Damn... Knew i should of got the PP.... hah.

Thanks for the late night help!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 08, 2014, 10:00:37 PM
Anytime.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 09, 2014, 04:37:49 AM
This is all i have... Wonder if its just not there or if its cause im using a non MX obd. I dont think its adapter related if i am able to see so many others.

What is the PID for the AWD %?

Anyone else with a non PP 13 have any transfercase PID's?
Some 13s didn't have the awd pids loaded from factory. You might check into that as mine had to have them added.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 09, 2014, 05:04:54 AM
This is all i have... Wonder if its just not there or if its cause im using a non MX obd. I dont think its adapter related if i am able to see so many others.

What is the PID for the AWD %?

Anyone else with a non PP 13 have any transfercase PID's?
Some 13s didn't have the awd pids loaded from factory. You might check into that as mine had to have them added.

Weird!?  Is that something the dealer would do?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 09, 2014, 05:15:13 AM
This is all i have... Wonder if its just not there or if its cause im using a non MX obd. I dont think its adapter related if i am able to see so many others.

What is the PID for the AWD %?

Anyone else with a non PP 13 have any transfercase PID's?


What modules can you see in total?  When Forscan connects initially it should list all of the modules you can see.  Do you just see the PCM?  You can click on a couple of tabs on the initial start up page and get a list.  If you don't have the MX (or something that can read MSCAN) then you won't see all of those modules but I would think the 4x4/AWD modules would be HSCAN (assuming you have the PIDs loaded from the factory.  You appear to be poking around the PCM module from the list of the PIDs displayed?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 09, 2014, 05:37:37 AM
Here is what loaded.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 09, 2014, 06:00:11 AM
This is all i have... Wonder if its just not there or if its cause im using a non MX obd. I dont think its adapter related if i am able to see so many others.

What is the PID for the AWD %?

Anyone else with a non PP 13 have any transfercase PID's?
Some 13s didn't have the awd pids loaded from factory. You might check into that as mine had to have them added.

Weird!?  Is that something the dealer would do?
Yup.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 09, 2014, 06:07:28 AM

This is all i have... Wonder if its just not there or if its cause im using a non MX obd. I dont think its adapter related if i am able to see so many others.

What is the PID for the AWD %?

Anyone else with a non PP 13 have any transfercase PID's?
Some 13s didn't have the awd pids loaded from factory. You might check into that as mine had to have them added.

Weird!?  Is that something the dealer would do?
Yup.

Good luck with that.... Unless you can give them the exact procedure.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 09, 2014, 06:16:32 AM
Hah. Yeah. I don't see that going smoothly. So if I don't have these PID's does that mean if I try to get my awd gauge activated ( one on the dash display) they would have to add these as well?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 09, 2014, 06:39:00 AM
Not only will your gauge not display but if there is an issue, the are no pids to communicate a problem.

There is a tsb, and its a pretty simple deal.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 09, 2014, 06:49:21 AM

Not only will your gauge not display but if there is an issue, the are no pids to communicate a problem.

There is a tsb, and its a pretty simple deal.

Would you happen to know the TSB number?


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 09, 2014, 07:29:48 AM

Not only will your gauge not display but if there is an issue, the are no pids to communicate a problem.

There is a tsb, and its a pretty simple deal.

Would you happen to know the TSB number?


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I have already contacted High Command and am waiting for her response...

I have all the reports for my car at home so if I don't hear anything I will post up this evening.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 09, 2014, 07:48:18 AM
Not only will your gauge not display but if there is an issue, the are no pids to communicate a problem.

There is a tsb, and its a pretty simple deal.
Well is that a load of crap.... so is it all SHO's without the PP. Or is it hit and miss? I want to know if my PTU is going to grenade and it would be nice if my car could give me a heads up before it goes. If it goes... I dont like uncertainties.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 09, 2014, 07:52:07 AM

Not only will your gauge not display but if there is an issue, the are no pids to communicate a problem.

There is a tsb, and its a pretty simple deal.
Well is that a load of crap.... so is it all SHO's without the PP. Or is it hit and miss? I want to know if my PTU is going to grenade and it would be nice if my catr could give me a heads up before it goes. If it goes... I dont like uncertainties.

True, I guess you could add that when you take it in to get the shaft fixed for the recall.

Just out if curiosity how would the average joe know that this is missing? We are in the PCM looking around and found it missing, if you weren't looking for it you would have no idea that anything was missing!


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 09, 2014, 08:08:39 AM

Not only will your gauge not display but if there is an issue, the are no pids to communicate a problem.

There is a tsb, and its a pretty simple deal.
Well is that a load of crap.... so is it all SHO's without the PP. Or is it hit and miss? I want to know if my PTU is going to grenade and it would be nice if my catr could give me a heads up before it goes. If it goes... I dont like uncertainties.

True, I guess you could add that when you take it in to get the shaft fixed for the recall.

Just out if curiosity how would the average joe know that this is missing? We are in the PCM looking around and found it missing, if you weren't looking for it you would have no idea that anything was missing!


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Haha. Yeah it is a bit conspicuous. If most of the dealers don't even know what It is or how to do it then I guess I might be asking for to much. 99% of the cars life I bet the PTU will do just fine weather I was looking at its data or not.

But I'm not the kind of person that just sits around and just goes with the flow. Trail blazing is more my speed.

Along with my washer fluid pump that's bad, the half shaft, license plate bulb housing, and now asking for them to add these PID'S. I don't  think I'm going to make any new friends this weekend.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 09, 2014, 08:10:39 AM

Not only will your gauge not display but if there is an issue, the are no pids to communicate a problem.

There is a tsb, and its a pretty simple deal.
Well is that a load of crap.... so is it all SHO's without the PP. Or is it hit and miss? I want to know if my PTU is going to grenade and it would be nice if my catr could give me a heads up before it goes. If it goes... I dont like uncertainties.

True, I guess you could add that when you take it in to get the shaft fixed for the recall.

Just out if curiosity how would the average joe know that this is missing? We are in the PCM looking around and found it missing, if you weren't looking for it you would have no idea that anything was missing!


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Haha. Yeah it is a bit conspicuous. If most of the dealers done even know what It is or how to do it then I guess I might be asking for to much. 99% of the cars like I bet the PTU will do just fine weather I was looking at its data or not.

But I'm not the kind of person that just sits around and just goes with the flow. Trail blazing is more my speed.

Along with my washer fluid pump that's bad, the half shaft, license plate bulb housing, and now asking for them to add these PID'S. I don't  think I'm going to make any new friends this weekend.
You should inquire about the pcv tsb too! With the absurd amount of recalls dealerships are currently dealing with you will be their bff, lol.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 09, 2014, 08:14:20 AM

Not only will your gauge not display but if there is an issue, the are no pids to communicate a problem.

There is a tsb, and its a pretty simple deal.
Well is that a load of crap.... so is it all SHO's without the PP. Or is it hit and miss? I want to know if my PTU is going to grenade and it would be nice if my catr could give me a heads up before it goes. If it goes... I dont like uncertainties.

True, I guess you could add that when you take it in to get the shaft fixed for the recall.

Just out if curiosity how would the average joe know that this is missing? We are in the PCM looking around and found it missing, if you weren't looking for it you would have no idea that anything was missing!


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Haha. Yeah it is a bit conspicuous. If most of the dealers done even know what It is or how to do it then I guess I might be asking for to much. 99% of the cars like I bet the PTU will do just fine weather I was looking at its data or not.

But I'm not the kind of person that just sits around and just goes with the flow. Trail blazing is more my speed.

Along with my washer fluid pump that's bad, the half shaft, license plate bulb housing, and now asking for them to add these PID'S. I don't  think I'm going to make any new friends this weekend.
You should inquire about the pcv tsb too! With the absurd amount of recalls dealerships are currently dealing with you will be their bff, lol.
Oh yeah! Forgot about that one too! Hah. I could have a weeks worth of work for them to do. Do you think I should put my BOV recirculation hoses back on before I take it in? I hate putting them back on all the time.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 09, 2014, 08:56:08 AM
Awd tsb

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 09, 2014, 08:58:38 AM

Not only will your gauge not display but if there is an issue, the are no pids to communicate a problem.

There is a tsb, and its a pretty simple deal.
Well is that a load of crap.... so is it all SHO's without the PP. Or is it hit and miss? I want to know if my PTU is going to grenade and it would be nice if my catr could give me a heads up before it goes. If it goes... I dont like uncertainties.

True, I guess you could add that when you take it in to get the shaft fixed for the recall.

Just out if curiosity how would the average joe know that this is missing? We are in the PCM looking around and found it missing, if you weren't looking for it you would have no idea that anything was missing!


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Haha. Yeah it is a bit conspicuous. If most of the dealers done even know what It is or how to do it then I guess I might be asking for to much. 99% of the cars like I bet the PTU will do just fine weather I was looking at its data or not.

But I'm not the kind of person that just sits around and just goes with the flow. Trail blazing is more my speed.

Along with my washer fluid pump that's bad, the half shaft, license plate bulb housing, and now asking for them to add these PID'S. I don't  think I'm going to make any new friends this weekend.
You should inquire about the pcv tsb too! With the absurd amount of recalls dealerships are currently dealing with you will be their bff, lol.
Oh yeah! Forgot about that one too! Hah. I could have a weeks worth of work for them to do. Do you think I should put my BOV recirculation hoses back on before I take it in? I hate putting them back on all the time.
IIRC vta mods are one of the specific issues they are looking for in that warranty ssb.

I would put them on.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 09, 2014, 09:09:04 AM
Awd tsb

12-7-3
Is there a way for me to find more Info on this? Something I can print off and hand to them or at least something I can explain to them.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 09, 2014, 09:15:49 AM
Awd tsb

12-7-3
Is there a way for me to find more Info on this? Something I can print off and hand to them or at least something I can explain to them.
I would be concerned if they couldn't handle a tsb they have the number for. All they have to do is hook up to IDS, see if the pids are there and if not, download them.

That being said, I will look at the report for my car when I get home tonight and post specific wording as I prefer not to press my luck with High Command when she is at work.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 09, 2014, 09:40:51 AM
Awd tsb

12-7-3
Is there a way for me to find more Info on this? Something I can print off and hand to them or at least something I can explain to them.
I would be concerned if they couldn't handle a tsb they have the number for. All they have to do is hook up to IDS, see if the pids are there and if not, download them.

That being said, I will look at the report for my car when I get home tonight and post specific wording as I prefer not to press my luck with High Command when she is at work.


I don't put much of any faith in the dealership anymore.. I usually have to facilitate every action. I would appreciate the specifics when you get time. I just know if i walk in there and say do this TSB they will say... why?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 09, 2014, 06:26:03 PM
AWD TSB
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 09, 2014, 06:50:15 PM

AWD TSB

Now that's service! Thanks!


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 09, 2014, 06:54:55 PM

AWD TSB

Now that's service! Thanks!


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You're welcome.

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 09, 2014, 06:56:48 PM
Wow...hats off to the quick retrieval
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 10, 2014, 06:49:46 PM
Jus checked the mail...to my surprise my OBDLink Mx Bluetooth was in there...didn't finalize order until like 10 pm Monday night and picked standard free usps ...3 day was like $20...came for free that fast...looks like it might be a long night
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 11, 2014, 06:19:55 AM
After thinking I copied the attachment over to my tablet in the right folder, still couldn't find it in torque so I just manually loaded some custom PID'S ...

Noticed a difference in the equations for the 2 fuel pump pressure PID'S. ..when lookin at those 2 on 1st page they have .145 compared to 1.145 in the attachment file...haven't got to test which one is right yet.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on July 11, 2014, 07:21:19 AM
Hi guys, i have been data logging, and finally, I found a situation where Learned Relative Octane Adjust will go negative, I have captured that HEX 1700 translate to -1.70% on FORScan.

This will mean that so far the 3 readings i have are:
HEX D145  = Decimal (53573) = 73.01%
HEX DCEC = Decimal (56556) = 54.81%
HEX 1700 = Decimal (5888) = -1.70%

The positive values the formula works, but it goes to 300+ when it is suppose to read -1.70%


Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 11, 2014, 08:26:27 AM
After thinking I copied the attachment over to my tablet in the right folder, still couldn't find it in torque so I just manually loaded some custom PID'S ...

Noticed a difference in the equations for the 2 fuel pump pressure PID'S. ..when lookin at those 2 on 1st page they have .145 compared to 1.145 in the attachment file...haven't got to test which one is right yet.

The PIDs on the first page show 10 * .145 which I just shortened mathwise in the csv file to 1.45.  This is in PSI...if you wanted kpa for some reason you would need to drop the .145 part on the first page OR modify the equation in the file to be just *10.

Hope that helps...

Actually now that you say that I did goof...it does say 1.145 in the file and should have been 1.45.  Nice catch.  The differential pressure still would have calculated correctly since I did it in both places but the value would be off.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 11, 2014, 08:32:23 AM
Roger that..thx....spent many hours loading and playing with it last night and am now waiting on the woman to get home with car...man I thought she was taking the truck today
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 11, 2014, 08:34:26 AM
Roger that..thx....spent many hours loading and playing with it last night and am now waiting on the woman to get home with car...man I thought she was taking the truck today

File has been updated!  Man that would stink!  Can't blame the wife for wanting to drive the SHO though.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 11, 2014, 08:37:15 AM
Happy wife = happy life... rough with them being masters of disguise and that silly thing called estrogen. ..lol
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 11, 2014, 09:07:14 AM
Hi guys, i have been data logging, and finally, I found a situation where Learned Relative Octane Adjust will go negative, I have captured that HEX 0117 translate to -1.70% on FORScan.

This will mean that so far the 3 readings i have are:
HEX D145  = Decimal (53573) = 73.01%
HEX DCEC = Decimal (56556) = 54.81%
HEX 0117 = Decimal (279) = -1.70%

The positive values the formula works, but it goes to 300+ when it is suppose to read -1.70%



Wow...that is going to be a tough one.  If I graph those values they look to be non-linear so I'm not sure what it is doing... Since you don't have a Taurus I am wondering your ECU and the associated PID/formula is trying to produce the -1 to +1 but Forscan is giving weird values.  I don't know why you would even get a negative percent...sorry but I'm stumped on this one.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 11, 2014, 09:29:13 AM
Hi guys, i have been data logging, and finally, I found a situation where Learned Relative Octane Adjust will go negative, I have captured that HEX 0117 translate to -1.70% on FORScan.

This will mean that so far the 3 readings i have are:
HEX D145  = Decimal (53573) = 73.01%
HEX DCEC = Decimal (56556) = 54.81%
HEX 0117 = Decimal (279) = -1.70%

The positive values the formula works, but it goes to 300+ when it is suppose to read -1.70%




HEX 0117, is this Short term fuel trim?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 11, 2014, 09:57:29 AM
Hi guys, i have been data logging, and finally, I found a situation where Learned Relative Octane Adjust will go negative, I have captured that HEX 0117 translate to -1.70% on FORScan.

This will mean that so far the 3 readings i have are:
HEX D145  = Decimal (53573) = 73.01%
HEX DCEC = Decimal (56556) = 54.81%
HEX 0117 = Decimal (279) = -1.70%

The positive values the formula works, but it goes to 300+ when it is suppose to read -1.70%




HEX 0117, is this Short term fuel trim?
I believe he is listing values or the learned octane PID not the PIDs themselves.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 11, 2014, 10:11:14 AM
Thanks, weird I have never seen a negative number for that.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 11, 2014, 10:12:29 AM
It seems to be much different than our car...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 11, 2014, 11:40:54 AM
So the awd pid shows up as active on my f350....
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 11, 2014, 09:48:26 PM
What kind of trans temps are you guys seeing usually? My highest so far has been 208. Seems a little hot.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 11, 2014, 09:53:10 PM
Just put Trans temp on the display about 10 minutes ago. Is there an advanced way to make gauges on torque?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on July 11, 2014, 09:55:02 PM
Hi guys, i have been data logging, and finally, I found a situation where Learned Relative Octane Adjust will go negative, I have captured that HEX 0117 translate to -1.70% on FORScan.

This will mean that so far the 3 readings i have are:
HEX D145  = Decimal (53573) = 73.01%
HEX DCEC = Decimal (56556) = 54.81%
HEX 0117 = Decimal (279) = -1.70%

The positive values the formula works, but it goes to 300+ when it is suppose to read -1.70%



Wow...that is going to be a tough one.  If I graph those values they look to be non-linear so I'm not sure what it is doing... Since you don't have a Taurus I am wondering your ECU and the associated PID/formula is trying to produce the -1 to +1 but Forscan is giving weird values.  I don't know why you would even get a negative percent...sorry but I'm stumped on this one.

yeah.. it is an odd one. but it does look like it is showing a possible range of -100% to 100%, note i quoted the wrong HEX, it should be 1700 not 0117 as posted earlier. So converted it is decimal 5888
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 12, 2014, 05:25:35 AM
What kind of trans temps are you guys seeing usually? My highest so far has been 208. Seems a little hot.
Depends on speed and ambient but 208 is pretty consistent going 75-80 on the highway. Sometimes higher. I have an alarm set at 230 but it doesn't get near that thankfully. I also tink that sounds a bit high though.
Title: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 12, 2014, 05:46:49 AM
The highest Trans temp I have seen is 194 (at the track). Typically mine is around 175 cruising on the expressway. PTU is typically a bit cooler than the Trans.

Mine is a PP though.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 12, 2014, 06:05:56 AM
I regret not buying a PP evey time I go on this forum! :(
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 12, 2014, 06:21:08 AM
I regret not buying a PP evey time I go on this forum! :(
Well I have a PP but its a 2011 so no trans cooler either. That is something you can easily add if you don't have the auto cruise control distance option. (ACC) I believe.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 12, 2014, 06:48:07 AM
Yup the Trans cooler is pretty easy to add. Several people on this forum have added it after the fact.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 12, 2014, 06:56:51 AM
Pretty cheap for what it does too...think I saw complete kit for just over $300
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 12, 2014, 07:23:10 AM
Torque ' s  oil temp gauge had no response...is this something we can monitor?

Also, torque ' s HP gauge tipping 695 HP, lol
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 12, 2014, 07:53:07 AM
I would snagle up a working oil temp or an exhaust gas temp PID but the ones built into Torque do not work, and no custom PID's for those values have been offered up so far at any rate to the best of my knowledge. 
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 12, 2014, 08:01:48 AM
I do not believe either of those sensors even physically exist on the SHO.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 12, 2014, 09:54:06 AM
Oil temp and pressure do not exist. Pressure is just a low switch.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 12, 2014, 01:13:57 PM
Oil temp would be nice...on a long term type log for changing intervals. ..thx
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 12, 2014, 04:57:32 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/13/y2u2y4a9.jpg)
My quick gauge set up...really liking the tiny box for gear selection on top of large MPH gauge...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 12, 2014, 05:03:24 PM
Quick question also...should I be using equation for boost gauge from 1st page or file
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 12, 2014, 05:04:23 PM
I would just use Torque's. That is just there for the differential pressure.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 12, 2014, 05:05:41 PM
Torque gauge seemed off
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 12, 2014, 05:07:31 PM
Thx...and there is a diff. in the equations by the way...just a heads up
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 12, 2014, 05:17:15 PM
([url]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/13/y2u2y4a9.jpg[/url])
My quick gauge set up...really liking the tiny box for gear selection on top of large MPH gauge...



Ahhhh you need to organize that screen!(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/13/u5y5yqyn.jpg)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 12, 2014, 05:31:53 PM
Little OCD also...lol
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 12, 2014, 05:33:13 PM
haha. Maybe just a bit.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 12, 2014, 05:38:22 PM
haha. Maybe just a bit.
Trust me those gauges are all exactly spaced...lol...better design to come...when I figure out what key ones to follow...adds a whole new element of happy to the SHO
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 12, 2014, 05:40:11 PM
You guys are both funny. :) I'm more on the OCD side myself but I do like your gauge on gauge idea. I think I've rearranged my gauges about 20 times.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 12, 2014, 07:19:50 PM
You guys are both funny. :) I'm more on the OCD side myself but I do like your gauge on gauge idea. I think I've rearranged my gauges about 20 times.
only 20...give me a couple days...lol...thx again for all the effort here...really adds another cool element to the enjoyment...

Can't believe the SHO hung with and slightly pulled on a 90k mercedes today!!!!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 12, 2014, 07:47:26 PM
haha. Maybe just a bit.
Trust me those gauges are all exactly spaced...lol...better design to come...when I figure out what key ones to follow...adds a whole new element of happy to the SHO
Haha I'm a fan of symmetry. Only took 30 min to get the space in close. Lol
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 12, 2014, 08:10:46 PM
Too funny...just got off the phone with the wife and she called me OCD for clay barring and waxing the SHO for 2nd time in 3 months
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 12, 2014, 08:16:55 PM
Too funny...just got off the phone with the wife and she called me OCD for clay barring and waxing the SHO for 2nd time in 3 months
Haha if that's OCD I should be locked up. I detail my car once a week. Usually.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 12, 2014, 08:19:21 PM
She thinks the clay barring is overkill...DOES SHE NOT UNDERSTAND MICHIGAN ROADWAYS...ok I'm better now
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 13, 2014, 03:57:52 PM
What kind of trans temps are you guys seeing usually? My highest so far has been 208. Seems a little hot.
In 87* heat today stop n go traffic with some heavy throttle (scared off a challenger srt8) had readings spike at 202 and gradually slip back slightly under 200...temp was a sitting mid 190's before WOT.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on July 13, 2014, 04:09:37 PM
Maybe do the 2013 cooler upgrade listed in the HowTo section to keep on beating back those other "challengers"!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 13, 2014, 04:15:21 PM
I am around 197 on interstate.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 13, 2014, 04:57:11 PM
Maybe do the 2013 cooler upgrade listed in the HowTo section to keep on beating back those other "challengers"!
Talking the Trans cooler? About to order the kit from unleashed!!! Must have before any other mods I think.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 13, 2014, 04:57:56 PM
Any PP guys with trans kit have temps to compare?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on July 13, 2014, 05:05:35 PM
Talking the Trans cooler? About to order the kit from unleashed!!! Must have before any other mods I think.
Yup!  Won't regret it :)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 13, 2014, 08:27:20 PM
Mine almost never goes above 175. Except at the track it will hit maybe 185-190 after a few back to back passes. Same goes for the PTU. I do have the PP.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 13, 2014, 08:59:14 PM
Mine almost never goes above 175. Except at the track it will hit maybe 185-190 after a few back to back passes. Same goes for the PTU. I do have the PP.


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That's an easy 20* difference, making this upgrade a no brainer. Time to read the how to, project time!!!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: dalum on July 14, 2014, 01:07:07 AM

That's an easy 20* difference, making this upgrade a no brainer. Time to read the how to, project time!!!
Links for the lazy? :D
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 14, 2014, 05:31:31 AM
Quick question also...should I be using equation for boost gauge from 1st page or file
BTW thanks for catching that.  I was working on a new file which I just uploaded.  The difference I believe was the -14.7 psi as the calculated boost was actually referenced to atmosphere so it read high.  I still recommend using Torque's boost gauge as it looks to be compensated to the actual barometric pressure reading thus it would be more accurate.  The equations we have are still valid for the boost differential pressure however since they are consistent.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 14, 2014, 05:34:01 AM

That's an easy 20* difference, making this upgrade a no brainer. Time to read the how to, project time!!!

Links for the lazy? :D

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,522.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,522.0.html)

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 14, 2014, 07:11:17 AM
Thanks for the link...skimmed the thread previously for a quick, can I do this look?!.

I also read one somewhere that had me pm someone (can't pull name from memory) about the 35 parameters he was logging and offering the list via email...anyone have something similar ...may save me a few days of research...

I have joined other forums (golf) and was able to become a subscribed member. Option here?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 14, 2014, 07:56:39 AM
That file was from needmoreboost, but it was for SCTlogging. I have it if you still need it.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 14, 2014, 09:23:55 PM
The symmetry is coming along in the design...slowly...wish you could mix and match colors or gauges as a way for sectioning off
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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 15, 2014, 07:29:27 AM
After a couple days of watching fuel pressure vs. desired pressure, the max reading for pressure is always slightly ahead of desired. Think I can put those gauges to rest until new tune?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 15, 2014, 08:15:09 AM
After a couple days of watching fuel pressure vs. desired pressure, the max reading for pressure is always slightly ahead of desired. Think I can put those gauges to rest until new tune?
Yeah you won't need those unless you are running ethanol.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 15, 2014, 01:57:48 PM
As I've read through this thread a few times now and know I've asked some repetitive questions. Maybe a note could be put at beginning for people to actually take notes for pages containing info on certain subjects. Just a thought, as I am about to ask if octane learned is for the fuel mixers?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 16, 2014, 07:03:36 AM
That file was from needmoreboost, but it was for SCTlogging. I have it if you still need it.
This list would be nice!!! I left my email in a pm to you if it's easier to send that way. TIA
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 16, 2014, 07:58:32 AM
As I've read through this thread a few times now and know I've asked some repetitive questions. Maybe a note could be put at beginning for people to actually take notes for pages containing info on certain subjects. Just a thought, as I am about to ask if octane learned is for the fuel mixers?
Not a bad idea...I am willing to modify the original post since I update it all the time anyway but can I get some more specifics on what you after?  Did you mean a note next to the Learned Octane PID that says "see discussion on Page..." or something else?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 16, 2014, 08:04:09 AM
That would be awesome if you wanted to go that far. I was thinking just a "take notes for future reference" type deal. Your idea is awesome though!!!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 16, 2014, 10:38:56 AM
As I've read through this thread a few times now and know I've asked some repetitive questions. Maybe a note could be put at beginning for people to actually take notes for pages containing info on certain subjects. Just a thought, as I am about to ask if octane learned is for the fuel mixers?
Yes, I have been at 100 since I activated the gauge. I would hope so since I'm probably over 99 octane.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 16, 2014, 10:46:27 AM
As I've read through this thread a few times now and know I've asked some repetitive questions. Maybe a note could be put at beginning for people to actually take notes for pages containing info on certain subjects. Just a thought, as I am about to ask if octane learned is for the fuel mixers?
Yes, I have been at 100 since I activated the gauge. I would hope so since I'm probably over 99 octane.
So I could actually use it to check my octane? 93 = 93%
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 16, 2014, 11:32:59 AM
As I've read through this thread a few times now and know I've asked some repetitive questions. Maybe a note could be put at beginning for people to actually take notes for pages containing info on certain subjects. Just a thought, as I am about to ask if octane learned is for the fuel mixers?
Yes, I have been at 100 since I activated the gauge. I would hope so since I'm
probably over 99 octane.
So I could actually use it to check my octane? 93 = 93%
No, I think 93 would be 100 on the indicator.

I've also considered that gauge only changes with octane changes hence the "learned".

Not entirely sure though.....

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 16, 2014, 01:34:52 PM
I am used to the octane indicator sitting pretty static at 100% all the time. Today it showed me a new trick I don't understand. I got on the interstate, an set up cruise at 72 MPH. I looked over at my gauge display when I could and noticed a reading of 107%. It stayed there till I took my exit and next time I could look it was back to 100% again. On the reverse leg of the ride, I looked for a similar reading...nope it stayed at 100% all the way home. Guess I haven't figured out what it's telling me as yet. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 16, 2014, 03:43:03 PM
I am used to the octane indicator sitting pretty static at 100% all the time. Today it showed me a new trick I don't understand. I got on the interstate, an set up cruise at 72 MPH. I looked over at my gauge display when I could and noticed a reading of 107%. It stayed there till I took my exit and next time I could look it was back to 100% again. On the reverse leg of the ride, I looked for a similar reading...nope it stayed at 100% all the way home. Guess I haven't figured out what it's telling me as yet. Any suggestions?
Interesting. I swear mine went 102% right after a fill up but then it was zero the next time I looked...maybe the car is testing it somehow?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 16, 2014, 03:44:30 PM
I also updated the 1st post quite a bit. I did a cut and paste on some of the info and included page numbers for relevant PID discussions. If you get a chance to look I'm open to feedback on how to improve it!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 16, 2014, 04:08:08 PM

I am used to the octane indicator sitting pretty static at 100% all the time. Today it showed me a new trick I don't understand. I got on the interstate, an set up cruise at 72 MPH. I looked over at my gauge display when I could and noticed a reading of 107%. It stayed there till I took my exit and next time I could look it was back to 100% again. On the reverse leg of the ride, I looked for a similar reading...nope it stayed at 100% all the way home. Guess I haven't figured out what it's telling me as yet. Any suggestions?
Interesting. I swear mine went 102% right after a fill up but then it was zero the next time I looked...maybe the car is testing it somehow?
BTW I forgot to mention that I was at a half tank and had not added fuel recently. We really don't have all the answers on this PID do we?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 16, 2014, 04:19:21 PM
I also updated the 1st post quite a bit. I did a cut and paste on some of the info and included page numbers for relevant PID discussions. If you get a chance to look I'm open to feedback on how to improve it!
Won't be able to look until later (busy peeling crap vinyl job from tails...plasti-dip time), but I imagine it will be spot on adding to the holiness of the grail as it be...lol
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 17, 2014, 06:17:01 AM
I also updated the 1st post quite a bit. I did a cut and paste on some of the info and included page numbers for relevant PID discussions. If you get a chance to look I'm open to feedback on how to improve it!
Liking the update!!! If I can get done with the few projects around here a nice add might be normal operating conditions, and an above normal or danger range for commonly tracked temps, etc.

Thanks again ;)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 17, 2014, 06:41:35 AM
So yesterday I came out to start car and noticed I left the obdlink plugged in...first time doing so...when I started car I got the dash full of lights and warmings...turned off, unplugged, and all was fine...definitely don't leave plugged in
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 17, 2014, 06:46:38 AM
That's odd. I leave mine in all the time and have never seen that happen.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 17, 2014, 07:06:45 AM
Mine never gets unplugged...no issues...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 17, 2014, 07:08:36 AM
Wonder if it's because of other Bluetooth devices being in same area when the tablet isnt?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 17, 2014, 07:30:02 AM

So yesterday I came out to start car and noticed I left the obdlink plugged in...first time doing so...when I started car I got the dash full of lights and warmings...turned off, unplugged, and all was fine...definitely don't leave plugged in

That's happened to me also. Only when Torque is already running and the dongle is plugged in at startup. If you shut off Torque on your device it shouldn't happen.

Once at the track it nearly gave me a heart attack, I started the car and all kinds of errors came up. Including low oil pressure lol.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 17, 2014, 07:32:45 AM
If I hadn't read somewhere about this happening I would of probably had a heart attack also...thx for the pointer!!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on July 20, 2014, 01:23:36 AM
I also updated the 1st post quite a bit. I did a cut and paste on some of the info and included page numbers for relevant PID discussions. If you get a chance to look I'm open to feedback on how to improve it!

Won't be able to look until later (busy peeling crap vinyl job from tails...plasti-dip time), but I imagine it will be spot on adding to the holiness of the grail as it be...lol


Hi all, I asked the question in the FORScan Forum (you can look that up in the FORScan forum as its not that big just yet) and even the guy behind FORScan does not know the algorithm. But he did point out for me that the range for the reading is -200% to 200%. So far only the FordST Forum (http://focusst.net/threads/want-to-data-log-or-monitor-your-focus-st-this-is-how.161/ (http://focusst.net/threads/want-to-data-log-or-monitor-your-focus-st-this-is-how.161/)) had some mention of the range whereby -1.0 (-100%) = High Octane, and 1.0 (100%) = Low Octane RELATIVE to your car's tuned octane rating. I suspect you should not expect to see 100% consistently, because what i understand is that the car ECU will re-learn the relative octane after acceleration when you decelerate. The other thing to note here is, you should be expecting a close to 0% range when filling your car up with the car's recommended fuel octane. i.e. the car's default tuned Octane.

I also looked into stuff like FoCCCus (a Ford Focus ECU Editor and Reader) to find that even though the car manual and dealer says that the car is designed for 91 Octane Fuel and 10% ethanol blend fuel, the actual ECU setting was 95 Octane! So, I will also caution that finding what the actual fuel octane setting in the car is not a simple matter of asking the dealer or reading the car manual.

For me, this PID is most useful to gauge your fuel octane RELATIVE to what the car is tuned for. For example, my car is tuned for 95 Octane, if I fuel up with good quality 91 Octane Fuel, I see the learned octane % hover around -5% to 50%, with I fill up with so called '94 Octane fuel' (blend fuel with up to 10% ethanol), the learned octane % actually jumps far to the 80% range (indicating lower octane) which makes sense, since the actual fuel IS lower octane, but because it is blended with up to 10% ethanol, it is then claimed 94 Octane. I also note that the LTFT (Long Term Fuel Trim) will show a reduction in % by up to 2-3% when filling up with 91 Octane fuel versus the so called 94 octane blend of fuel and ethanol.

I hope this helps.

And to make it clear once and for all, the Learned Relative Octane Adjust does not tell you what the octane rating of the fuel. AKA 93% Reading on the PID is NOT 93 Octane. In fact, no one can confirm what the exact algorithm is just yet, other than Cobb Tuning that seem to have figured something out. Wonder if anyone has ties with them that can ask what algorithm they use.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 20, 2014, 08:21:16 AM
95 RON is regular unleaded.

The number at the pump is an average of

Research Octane number(RON)

Motor Octane Number(MON)

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 20, 2014, 09:10:02 AM
In Australia it looks like 95 is equivalent (roughly) to our 91 octane...?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 20, 2014, 09:12:01 AM
Without knowing the MON, there is really no way to tell.

From what I've read the 95 usually correlates with regular unleaded.

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 20, 2014, 09:12:53 AM
I just reset the range to -200 - +200.

Let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 20, 2014, 10:48:18 AM
Weird, on FORScan I have never seen a negative number or above 100%. 


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 20, 2014, 12:22:29 PM
In case you guys didn't know, there is now a Torque add on to extend your display to a 2nd device. I'm gonna go buy another nexus today and try it out.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on July 20, 2014, 12:42:03 PM
Where do you plan to mount the device, FoMoCoSHO?  Sidebyside, or toptobottom?  Interested in pix :)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 20, 2014, 12:57:26 PM
Figuring a permanent mount for the tab (not sure where yet) and a secondary vent mount to the right of the wheel for the phone which has been my favorite mount so far. ( and I have tried a bunch, lol )
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 20, 2014, 01:55:42 PM
Figuring a permanent mount for the tab (not sure where yet) and a secondary vent mount to the right of the wheel for the phone which has been my favorite mount so far. ( and I have tried a bunch, lol )
Where did you get a vent mount? I want one for my note 3.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 20, 2014, 03:54:43 PM
Believe I saw vent mounts for Garmin GPS at best buy
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 20, 2014, 04:58:55 PM
Figuring a permanent mount for the tab (not sure where yet) and a secondary vent mount to the right of the wheel for the phone which has been my favorite mount so far. ( and I have tried a bunch, lol )
Where did you get a vent mount? I want one for my note 3.
Scosche at Walmart
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 20, 2014, 05:00:02 PM
Figuring a permanent mount for the tab (not sure where yet) and a secondary vent mount to the right of the wheel for the phone which has been my favorite mount so far. ( and I have tried a bunch, lol )
Where did you get a vent mount? I want one for my note 3.
Scosche at Walmart
That's the brand window mount I got. Like it, pretty solid.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 20, 2014, 05:00:40 PM
I could do 2 vent mounts left and right but after the nonsense I found myself in the middle of last night, I want at least 1 camera able to record.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 20, 2014, 05:03:10 PM
Figuring a permanent mount for the tab (not sure where yet) and a secondary vent mount to the right of the wheel for the phone which has been my favorite mount so far. ( and I have tried a bunch, lol )
Where did you get a vent mount? I want one for my note 3.
Scosche at Walmart
That's the brand window mount I got. Like it, pretty solid.
Yeah, I was pretty impressed, just don't move or dismount often or they won't last. I'm on #2.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 20, 2014, 05:08:07 PM
These 2013 nexus 7's are a helluva deal at $169.00. Nexus 8 coming out soon so there should be lots of deals on them. The screen is gorgeous on this thing.


Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on July 20, 2014, 06:35:23 PM

I just reset the range to -200 - +200.

Let's see what happens.

Reset the range and so far I don't see any obvious difference.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 20, 2014, 07:34:54 PM
These 2013 nexus 7's are a helluva deal at $169.00. Nexus 8 coming out soon so there should be lots of deals on them. The screen is gorgeous on this thing.
Not much of a tech guy but how do those nexus 7 ' s compare to Samsung tab 2
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 20, 2014, 09:26:47 PM
These 2013 nexus 7's are a helluva deal at $169.00. Nexus 8 coming out soon so there should be lots of deals on them. The screen is gorgeous on this thing.

Not much of a tech guy but how do those nexus 7 ' s compare to Samsung tab 2

It pretty much murders it...

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Google-Nexus-7-2013,Samsung-GALAXY-Tab-2-7.0/phones/8021,6929 (http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Google-Nexus-7-2013,Samsung-GALAXY-Tab-2-7.0/phones/8021,6929)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 20, 2014, 09:28:21 PM
At $169 and how much you've talked this device up I'm gonna have to try one.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 20, 2014, 09:40:30 PM
At $169 and how much you've talked this device up I'm gonna have to try one.
This is the second one I've had. I smashed the first one within the first week at work, same exact way I killed my HTC One. I was so pissed at myself, I wouldn't replace it at retail ($229)and this is only the 2nd time I've seen it at this price point.

Keep in mind I don't do much on a tablet, it will be for music, surfing, Torque, and E-mail. I'm not a tablet gamer but I did load a couple and they looked awesome. IDGAF about 99.9% of the apps in existence.

I feel like for the hardware and screen you get, it's a no brainer at $169.

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on July 20, 2014, 09:47:44 PM
At $169 and how much you've talked this device up I'm gonna have to try one.
This is the second one I've had. I smashed the first one within the first week at work, same exact way I killed my HTC One. I was so pissed at myself, I wouldn't replace it at retail ($229)and this is only the 2nd time I've seen it at this price point.

Keep in mind I don't do much on a tablet, it will be for music, surfing, Torque, and E-mail. I'm not a tablet gamer but I did load a couple and they looked awesome. IDGAF about 99.9% of the apps in existence.

I feel like for the hardware and screen you get, it's a no brainer at $169.
They are a great tablet at that price. I actually prefer a smaller tablet over the larger ones. I have a 4g tablet and it's awesome to have the freedom of interest anywhere.

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on July 20, 2014, 11:20:00 PM
95 RON is regular unleaded.

The number at the pump is an average of

Research Octane number(RON)

Motor Octane Number(MON)
Hi there fomocosho, you are right. I used RON and octane interchangeably which is wrong. 95 RON is about 91 octane.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on July 20, 2014, 11:24:44 PM
Weird, on FORScan I have never seen a negative number or above 100%. 


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I have seen negative numbers on FORScan reading, which I reported to this forum. Try driving the tank down and filling up with high octane fuel and see. Maybe if we can get hold of fuel tables it might shine a light on what the range actually is.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on July 21, 2014, 05:49:38 AM
At $169 and how much you've talked this device up I'm gonna have to try one.
This is the second one I've had. I smashed the first one within the first week at work, same exact way I killed my HTC One. I was so pissed at myself, I wouldn't replace it at retail ($229)and this is only the 2nd time I've seen it at this price point.

Keep in mind I don't do much on a tablet, it will be for music, surfing, Torque, and E-mail. I'm not a tablet gamer but I did load a couple and they looked awesome. IDGAF about 99.9% of the apps in existence.

I feel like for the hardware and screen you get, it's a no brainer at $169.
Me either, most it'll be used for is torque and maybe some Web surfing(EBPF) occasionally.  Thx for the info and one last question, does nexus sponsor or pay you...lol..jk
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on July 21, 2014, 06:17:30 AM

Weird, on FORScan I have never seen a negative number or above 100%. 


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I have seen negative numbers on FORScan reading, which I reported to this forum. Try driving the tank down and filling up with high octane fuel and see. Maybe if we can get hold of fuel tables it might shine a light on what the range actually is.

I always use 94 octane fuel, I will do an extended data log only on the fuel system and see what happens.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on July 21, 2014, 08:23:42 AM

Weird, on FORScan I have never seen a negative number or above 100%. 


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I have seen negative numbers on FORScan reading, which I reported to this forum. Try driving the tank down and filling up with high octane fuel and see. Maybe if we can get hold of fuel tables it might shine a light on what the range actually is.

I always use 94 octane fuel, I will do an extended data log only on the fuel system and see what happens.


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I really need to get a laptop with a functioning battery. Forscan seems like an awesome tool to have.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on August 03, 2014, 08:38:10 AM
As requested here is a bigger pic of my current main screen display. I think it's the best I've had so far, but if I've learned anything about myself...it's that I can't leave well enough alone.

(http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/larry114/2e6dee61eb4efe65eca84e1c4007efba_zps3058a3fe.jpg)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 03, 2014, 09:07:20 AM
I like it Larry! Nice work.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on August 03, 2014, 09:13:15 AM
Larry what skin is that?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 03, 2014, 03:06:44 PM
Looks FANTASTIC Larry!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 03, 2014, 03:28:29 PM
Very nice indeed!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on August 03, 2014, 03:47:33 PM

Larry what skin is that?
That skin is Bulletproof. I admired ShoBoat's and he passed the name to me.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on August 03, 2014, 04:05:51 PM
Speaking of getting turned around with this plus and minus knock retard thing, forget my initial attempt to duplicate my + 7 reading. I got a bit nervous worrying about the reading and my highway speed testing is bogus because I got turned around myself. I'm now pretty sure I was generating minus readings with my highway cruise. Got to get my head straight and start testing all over again.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on August 03, 2014, 05:18:19 PM
First thing I decided to flash back to stock for my upcoming dealer visit and a little comparison knock readings over the next couple of days. Oh no.....the MyCal Touch won't load the stock file. It says "Invalid File" and the code "CRC". I tried twice same results. Since I already had swapped out the 3 BAR for the stock 2 BAR, I figured I'd try to load my old Stage 4+  2 BAR  170 TStat. That loaded perfectly first time and I reset my knock retard gauge and drove off to gas up. I noticed my learned octane was at 134 (from usual 100). By the time I got to the station the learned octane was 124. I gassed up then headed home with the learned octane steady  at 124. So far my knock retard readings are -4 and +0   I'm particularly worried about not being able to load my stock tune file. Any one have any similar experience/advice?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 03, 2014, 05:42:03 PM
First thing I decided to flash back to stock for my upcoming dealer visit and a little comparison knock readings over the next couple of days. Oh no.....the MyCal Touch won't load the stock file. It says "Invalid File" and the code "CRC". I tried twice same results. Since I already had swapped out the 3 BAR for the stock 2 BAR, I figured I'd try to load my old Stage 4+  2 BAR  170 TStat. That loaded perfectly first time and I reset my knock retard gauge and drove off to gas up. I noticed my learned octane was at 134 (from usual 100). By the time I got to the station the learned octane was 124. I gassed up then headed home with the learned octane steady  at 124. So far my knock retard readings are -4 and +0   I'm particularly worried about not being able to load my stock tune file. Any one have any similar experience/advice?
Might try disconnecting battery with 2 bar on and see if that helps.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 03, 2014, 05:43:26 PM
Those knock readings are right on with mine on the 4++ tune from LMS.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: BiGMaC on August 03, 2014, 09:45:45 PM
Larry... Likely the stock tune file has been corrupted... Contact Anthony at LMS and get a new copy of the stock tune.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ZSHO on August 04, 2014, 04:56:52 AM
Could be your OBD link adapter possibly giving you issues with loading the stock tune,i have the MX adapter and just skeptical when to many adapters are plugged in theOBD port and could affect or intefere with the ECU causing you to have issues returning the car to stock.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 06, 2014, 06:34:00 AM
As requested here is a bigger pic of my current main screen display. I think it's the best I've had so far, but if I've learned anything about myself...it's that I can't leave well enough alone.

([url]http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p499/larry114/2e6dee61eb4efe65eca84e1c4007efba_zps3058a3fe.jpg[/url])

Think that's the "trailblazer" theme. Bulletproof has bright green numbers.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 06, 2014, 07:19:18 AM
Thinking the background is a bit bright in this one?(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/ebedujug.jpg)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on August 06, 2014, 10:46:28 AM


Larry what skin is that?
That skin is Bulletproof. I admired ShoBoat's and he passed the name to me.
I looked up the PM and I'm pretty sure ShoBoat said Bulletproof, found it, used it....TrailBlazer does not ring a bell. Now my wife would agree that I'm often wrong so if that's the case here, I apologize for the bum steer.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 06, 2014, 10:48:12 AM


Larry what skin is that?
That skin is Bulletproof. I admired ShoBoat's and he passed the name to me.
I looked up the PM and I'm pretty sure ShoBoat said Bulletproof, found it, used it....TrailBlazer does not ring a bell. Now my wife would agree that I'm often wrong so if that's the case here, I apologize for the bum steer.
Totally fine...you have inspired me at the least....wish the needles were color changeable
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on August 06, 2014, 11:17:36 AM
Me too!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on August 06, 2014, 11:30:38 AM
Thinking the background is a bit bright in this one?([url]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/06/ebedujug.jpg[/url])

I took a cell pic with the flash off in the dark to create an easily importable black background.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 07, 2014, 06:38:00 PM
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Don't know why but I'm digging the blue.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 08, 2014, 11:57:04 AM
Updated the knock PID on the 1st page due to research in other thread here...

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,1448.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,1448.0.html)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 13, 2014, 05:28:38 AM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/13/8avegyge.jpg)
Think I'm happy with this setup for now. Notice the 0.1 hp I pulled by dropping the tablet...lol
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 13, 2014, 12:17:26 PM
Quick question, I just moved all my stuff to a newer Galaxy. And this PID Trans Temp TaurusTrans Temp221e1c(((signed(A)*256)+B)*(9/8)+320)/10-40300Deg is showing F? I copied the equation over exactly. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 13, 2014, 12:24:28 PM
Quick question, I just moved all my stuff to a newer Galaxy. And this PID Trans Temp TaurusTrans Temp221e1c(((signed(A)*256)+B)*(9/8)+320)/10-40300Deg is showing F? I copied the equation over exactly. Any ideas?

I believe if you set the global units variable in Torque to Deg. C (*if it isn't already) and that may change it?  The equation as is will definitely read in Deg. F.  Worst case you could take the whole thing and multiple by .5555 and add 32 to get to Deg. C .
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 13, 2014, 01:38:41 PM
Got it thanks!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 14, 2014, 09:04:08 AM
Any suggestions for gauge to replace timing adv.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 14, 2014, 09:23:51 AM
Any suggestions for gauge to replace timing adv.
What exactly are you after? Can you be more specific?  Are you looking for a different PID for timing advance or a different style gauge or something else?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 14, 2014, 09:42:32 AM
Not really sure, hence the ask.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 17, 2014, 07:17:23 AM
Ok I didn't see these in the spreadsheet. I have used these in FORSCan a few times and they good to have as a diagnostic tool.

1 misfire count. This tells you the number if misfires you have had during the current drive cycle. Sine the car was started last.

PID 220345
Name Misfire Events
Short MSF Event
Equation B

2 misfire trips. This one tells you how many drive cycles since the last time it's had a number of misfires. I believe you need at least 5 to trip this to zero.

PID 2216dc
Long Misfire Trips
Short MSF trip
Equation B

It looks like these are just dependant on the B variable and it look correct. However I can't test the first one completely as I haven't had any in a while. If someone could confirm that would be awesome.




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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 17, 2014, 07:36:43 AM
What max should I put on this?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 17, 2014, 07:39:47 AM
200 for both, it doesn't really matter that much as you won't be using a gauge with a dials just the numerical gauge is good.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 17, 2014, 07:43:35 AM
200 for both, it doesn't really matter that much as you won't be using a gauge with a dials just the numerical gauge is good.


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Thanks, "was" gonna use a half dial with the low and high keepers to stay with my theme.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 17, 2014, 01:07:13 PM
Gauge shows activity with the blinking square but no misfires to report on.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 17, 2014, 01:29:00 PM

Gauge shows activity with the blinking square but no misfires to report on.

That's a good thing, did you check the other one? Misfire Trips?


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 17, 2014, 01:36:03 PM

Gauge shows activity with the blinking square but no misfires to report on.

That's a good thing, did you check the other one? Misfire Trips?


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No, will put up next time. As you stated above this will start with a # then take 5 trips to reset?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 17, 2014, 01:42:45 PM
No, 5 misfires during a drive cycle will cause it to reset. Otherwise it will keep counting. Once a series of misfires occurs it will reset to 0.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 17, 2014, 02:03:12 PM
Ahh, I may be guilty of a little skimming there...lol
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 17, 2014, 05:44:58 PM
MSF Trips loaded up...reading 54 as I just started car?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 17, 2014, 05:54:45 PM

MSF Trips loaded up...reading 54 as I just started car?

Yup, so you have had 54 drive cycles since a Misfire event, reset codes or battery disconnect.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 18, 2014, 06:07:31 AM
Thanks for the new gauge ideas. MSF Trips worked fine, adding 1 to running total about 30 seconds after start up.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 20, 2014, 11:31:03 AM
It looks like I need a little help with the Misfire Gauge. I can confirm that's it's not working. The Misfire Trips gauge is working correctly, anyone?


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 20, 2014, 11:39:37 AM
It looks like I need a little help with the Misfire Gauge. I can confirm that's it's not working. The Misfire Trips gauge is working correctly, anyone?


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I'm willing to help once I have a few moments...What is the Forscan PID showing...total number of misfires or per cylinder?  The challenge with this is its best to capture the serial data when actual misfires occur so you can see the binary results.  This is challenging since Misfires occur so quickly...or not at all if everything is running perfect.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on August 20, 2014, 12:06:43 PM
The misfire gauge is interesting to me but that might be a problem in itself. I find a lot of them interesting and so I'm running a lot of gauges. I wonder if there is an upper limit which should be avoided. I also wonder if a gauge that's on a screen that's not being displayed is still adding to the PID load. Got to stop adding gauges. I'm turning into a gauge junkie!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on August 20, 2014, 12:11:40 PM
The misfire gauge is interesting to me but that might be a problem in itself. I find a lot of them interesting and so I'm running a lot of gauges. I wonder if there is an upper limit which should be avoided. I also wonder if a gauge that's on a screen that's not being displayed is still adding to the PID load. Got to stop adding gauges. I'm turning into a gauge junkie!
But they look so good, Larry!  Yeah there is a limit to the concurrent PIDs that can be polled, but I think it is about 100 with the the OBDLink, around 30 with the generic ELM adapters, at least on BlueTooth.  Not sure about wireless.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on August 20, 2014, 12:22:34 PM
Now that's some serious good news. Got some room to add. I will check out the misfire!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 20, 2014, 12:31:13 PM

It looks like I need a little help with the Misfire Gauge. I can confirm that's it's not working. The Misfire Trips gauge is working correctly, anyone?


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I'm willing to help once I have a few moments...What is the Forscan PID showing...total number of misfires or per cylinder?  The challenge with this is its best to capture the serial data when actual misfires occur so you can see the binary results.  This is challenging since Misfires occur so quickly...or not at all if everything is running perfect.

The gauge is a running total of misfires during the current drive cycle. It's happened once to twice that I had a few on startup. And when I started FORSCan it registered as 2 as soon as I started the log. So as long as you can get it to report one we should be able to figure it out.



The misfire gauge is more than just interesting! It gives you an insight to how the car is running. Fouled plugs? Gaping incorrect? Bad wire? Oil getting into the intake? You can tell a lot from it.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 20, 2014, 05:38:12 PM
Um quick dumb question, how bad would it be to start the car with one coil unplugged for a few seconds? That's one sure fire way to get the data we need.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 20, 2014, 06:07:33 PM
The misfire gauge is interesting to me but that might be a problem in itself. I find a lot of them interesting and so I'm running a lot of gauges. I wonder if there is an upper limit which should be avoided. I also wonder if a gauge that's on a screen that's not being displayed is still adding to the PID load. Got to stop adding gauges. I'm turning into a gauge junkie!
But they look so good, Larry!  Yeah there is a limit to the concurrent PIDs that can be polled, but I think it is about 100 with the the OBDLink, around 30 with the generic ELM adapters, at least on BlueTooth.  Not sure about wireless.
Yes this is absolutely true!  However I would just like to make sure that Larry realizes these are scanned sequentially and if you have 100 PIDS that is probably the Max rating of the MX and its a per second number.  The implication here is that you would only get a reading of a single PID every second.  More than fine for things like temperatures but if you want some degree of resolution on your Knock number then I highly recommend you use as few PIDs as possible so you don't miss events.  This car can throw massive a lot of data on the CAN bus at one time and could overwhelm Torque pretty quickly as we've already proven it isn't the fastest thing in the world.

Now what I don't know is how many it is actually reading at one time...if its just what is on the screen or scanning all of them that are in the list every time.  I do know the gauges don't update unless you are actually viewing them...I'm not positive that means they aren't still reading them in the background.  I do know that if you are actually logging with Torque (I wouldn't bother...its too slow) or you have an "alarm" set up on a PID then it reads them all the time.  So use that sparingly if you do. 

Just my 2 cents...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 20, 2014, 06:09:35 PM
Um quick dumb question, how bad would it be to start the car with one coil unplugged for a few seconds? That's one sure fire way to get the data we need.


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I've contemplated this but just can't bring myself to do it...It would obviously be dumping fuel in the cylinder but if you are talking idle I "doubt" it would hurt much but really don't know.  Cars obviously lose coils and plugs all the time so this happens and I doubt you will be rebuilding your motor because of it BUT I'm paranoid. :)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on August 21, 2014, 05:18:13 AM

The misfire gauge is interesting to me but that might be a problem in itself. I find a lot of them interesting and so I'm running a lot of gauges. I wonder if there is an upper limit which should be avoided. I also wonder if a gauge that's on a screen that's not being displayed is still adding to the PID load. Got to stop adding gauges. I'm turning into a gauge junkie!
But they look so good, Larry!  Yeah there is a limit to the concurrent PIDs that can be polled, but I think it is about 100 with the the OBDLink, around 30 with the generic ELM adapters, at least on BlueTooth.  Not sure about wireless.
Yes this is absolutely true!  However I would just like to make sure that Larry realizes these are scanned sequentially and if you have 100 PIDS that is probably the Max rating of the MX and its a per second number.  The implication here is that you would only get a reading of a single PID every second.  More than fine for things like temperatures but if you want some degree of resolution on your Knock number then I highly recommend you use as few PIDs as possible so you don't miss events.  This car can throw massive a lot of data on the CAN bus at one time and could overwhelm Torque pretty quickly as we've already proven it isn't the fastest thing in the world.

Now what I don't know is how many it is actually reading at one time...if its just what is on the screen or scanning all of them that are in the list every time.  I do know the gauges don't update unless you are actually viewing them...I'm not positive that means they aren't still reading them in the background.  I do know that if you are actually logging with Torque (I wouldn't bother...its too slow) or you have an "alarm" set up on a PID then it reads them all the time.  So use that sparingly if you do. 

Just my 2 cents...

Thanks guys for the collective thoughts on my questions. Good info!  I was surprised to hear about the "alarm" priority....had no clue on that! 
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 21, 2014, 07:33:07 AM
Um quick dumb question, how bad would it be to start the car with one coil unplugged for a few seconds? That's one sure fire way to get the data we need.


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Had this same thought yesterday. Crazy?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on August 21, 2014, 07:48:01 AM
I would guess the car would set a misfire code and possibly stall, if let run long enough.  One of the scenarios the programmers should have accounted for.
Title: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 21, 2014, 07:51:53 AM
I would guess the car would set a misfire code and possibly stall, if let run long enough.  One of the scenarios the programmers should have accounted for.

 Back in the day on carbureted cars, used to happen all the time. Plug and wire failures were quite common. I could install one of the older plugs and widen the gap a little. That would also work.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 21, 2014, 07:59:01 AM
^^^that was more along the thought process my simple mind went through yesterday, a tampered with plug.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 22, 2014, 05:31:27 AM
Did some digging...

Misfire trips - confirmed - 2216dc however the equation is probably (A*256)+B.  It is returning two bytes of data so while just a "B" equation will work it will max out at 255 trips.  If you want to see a higher number than that you will need to use the full equation.

Number of Misfires during recent misfire "event"
PID 220345 (as indicated previously) however the equation is returning 4 bytes of data which means it can use the variables A, B, C, and D.  I was only able to experience a single misfire event in a 45 minute drive and the D variable showed a 1...as did Forscan.  So...and it's a guess at this point...You could probably use (C*256)+D to get you a guage that would read up to 65535 events...which would certainly be sufficient to let you know that you've got a big issue...(in theory you could represent over 4 billion misfire events with all four variables...Pretty sure your car wouldn't be running then.)

All of this was just from Forscan...I haven't verified any of it in Torque yet and probably won't until after work.  If anyone wants to try it out let me know how it goes!

I did find another PID which was "Misfire currently detected" that looked interesting but Forscan interpresets a value of 00080000 as a "No".  Not sure what a yes would look like yet but maybe I can catch one.  The PID is 220700.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 22, 2014, 06:29:03 AM
Sweet thanks, I will give that a try today.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 22, 2014, 12:09:50 PM
Just used new equation on a half hour mixed traffic trip and it shows activity still, no events recorded.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 22, 2014, 12:11:24 PM
I"m going to the track tonight, I'll give them a whirl and she what happens.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 22, 2014, 03:38:51 PM
On way from driving range, putt putt, and go karts we had the a/c on as ambient was a sticky 85*(IAT2 109*). With a/c on, light throttle on the e-way at 70 was giving a +3 kr! Turn off a/c and kr was complete opposite going right to -3.5? Can the a/c have that much affect?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 22, 2014, 03:40:06 PM
And I must not have noticed or it didn't(^) register but after we stopped for slurpees the misfire trips had reset too!!!

Edit: ^(The misfire event must not have registered)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 23, 2014, 02:49:48 PM
Had misfire trips start over again today after the wife took car on a 1 mile round trip. She said she didn't see any misfire events record, but when I started it up it was reset?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 23, 2014, 03:12:24 PM
Then you are getting misfires enough to trip the reset on the trip. Maybe time to do some data logging with FORScan?


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 23, 2014, 03:16:08 PM
Need a laptop for FORSCAN right? Weird that I had over 70 trips without a reset until I changed the equation in the misfire events?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 23, 2014, 03:17:32 PM
Should the CEL flash when it misfires, so many things to watch at once, ahhhh...lol
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 23, 2014, 05:02:36 PM
Volts gauge at 13.7 for last couple days. Down from the normal 14.3?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on August 23, 2014, 05:51:41 PM
On way from driving range, putt putt, and go karts we had the a/c on as ambient was a sticky 85*(IAT2 109*). With a/c on, light throttle on the e-way at 70 was giving a +3 kr! Turn off a/c and kr was complete opposite going right to -3.5? Can the a/c have that much affect?
Are both of your knock sensor wires routed away from the engine block or otherwise separated?  A/C does put a good electrical load on, may cause vibration as well.
Volts gauge at 13.7 for last couple days. Down from the normal 14.3?
With car off or started?  Idling or Driving?  Accessories on or off?  If during driving, then replacement may be due.  Is the battery still OEM?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 23, 2014, 06:06:11 PM
Have the driver side wires wrapped and away from block but not passenger side.

13.7 while driving with radio on as only accessory and nothing being charged, well the obdlink.  Battery is a Motorcraft. We bought lightly used and battery has the dealerships name on a piece of masking tape on it. Motorcraft Max
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on August 23, 2014, 06:14:12 PM
I wouldn't worry about it right now.  If the dealership installed the battery, which it looks like it did, you may also have the 7 year warranty with it.  Keep a pic for future reference, but a good question to ask them also.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 23, 2014, 06:21:36 PM
I wouldn't worry about it right now.  If the dealership installed the battery, which it looks like it did, you may also have the 7 year warranty with it.  Keep a pic for future reference, but a good question to ask them also.
Definitely building a list. Trying to convince the worrier(wife), to drop the extended(outrageously priced)warranty as I just don't want to have to duck and dodge having it tuned. I'd rather fix stuff on the run instead of pay for something we might not use.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on August 23, 2014, 07:38:23 PM
I wouldn't worry about it right now.  If the dealership installed the battery, which it looks like it did, you may also have the 7 year warranty with it.  Keep a pic for future reference, but a good question to ask them also.
Definitely building a list. Trying to convince the worrier(wife), to drop the extended(outrageously priced)warranty as I just don't want to have to duck Andrew dodge having it tuned. I'd rather fix stuff on the run instead of pay for something we might not use.
My personal opinion is that is a terrible idea. Lots of very expensive items to fix on these vehicles. On my ST the first failure cost almost 3x the price of the warranty. That car isnt nearly as advanced as the SHO. Ford has almost 30 recalls right now so I'd consider the likelihood high that you will get your moneys worth.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 23, 2014, 07:51:41 PM
I wouldn't worry about it right now.  If the dealership installed the battery, which it looks like it did, you may also have the 7 year warranty with it.  Keep a pic for future reference, but a good question to ask them also.
Definitely building a list. Trying to convince the worrier(wife), to drop the extended(outrageously priced)warranty as I just don't want to have to duck Andrew dodge having it tuned. I'd rather fix stuff on the run instead of pay for something we might not use.
My personal opinion is that is a terrible idea. Lots of very expensive items to fix on these vehicles. On my ST the first failure cost almost 3x the price of the warranty. That car isnt nearly as advanced as the SHO. Ford has almost 30 recalls right now so I'd consider the likelihood high that you will get your moneys worth.
Appreciate the opinion. With my luck we'd drop the coverage and the front end would fall apart.;D
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: dalum on August 24, 2014, 07:33:32 PM
Have the driver side wires wrapped and away from block but not passenger side.

13.7 while driving with radio on as only accessory and nothing being charged, well the obdlink.  Battery is a Motorcraft. We bought lightly used and battery has the dealerships name on a piece of masking tape on it. Motorcraft Max

Starter+battery+alternator form a circle of life.  If one messes up enough it can kill all 3 in short order so don't skip over a few easy checks now.

How has the weather been?  Alternators will put out less power the hotter they get.  13-14.5v is considered "normal" output for an alternator.  It will vary with temperature, rpm, and load.  Press the start button twice (without foot on the brake) and see what it reads.  12.6 is perfect but since other stuff is running in the car already it probably won't read that.  Start the car with the lights and everything off and see what it reads at idle.  Turn on everything you can think of, lights, ac max cool, hazards, heated seats, rear defroster and check voltage.  Bring the rpm's up a little and check the voltage.

If at any time the voltage drops under the first voltage you saw the alternator isn't doing its job and you are taking power off the battery.  The battery's "only" job is to start the car.  Starter+battery+alternator form a circle of life.  If one messes up enough it can kill all 3 in short order so don't skip over a few easy checks now.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 25, 2014, 07:16:18 PM
After letting it sit for almost 2 days must have changed its attitude, lol. Suspecting the woman sitting with accessories on for extended period at her monthly class for work. She says no, but it was a weird no...lol
Steady 14.3 again.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 29, 2014, 10:35:15 AM
A quick pic, finally got the PTU temp working! (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/29/dcb33cb48c1fc39aedcd2241e2927ce1.jpg)


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on August 29, 2014, 10:39:21 AM
The advantage of PP!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on August 29, 2014, 11:50:15 AM
PTU temp. I'm jealous!  Nice display BTW
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 29, 2014, 11:59:34 AM
PTU temp. I'm jealous!  Nice display BTW
X2
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on August 29, 2014, 12:45:26 PM
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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: pejohnson on September 24, 2014, 05:59:04 AM
Sorry did I miss the PIDs for the PTU temps?

A quick pic, finally got the PTU temp working! ([url]http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/29/dcb33cb48c1fc39aedcd2241e2927ce1.jpg[/url])


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on September 27, 2014, 05:59:44 AM
Has anybody figured out how to use the "learned octane" reading yet. I'm still confused. I was using it and it was mostly around 100 as I remember. I kind of demoted it to a second string screen. Turns out my high KR was partially caused by my Sunoco 93 under performing in the octane department. The KR helped me to diagnose and cure the two separate causes but I wonder if I understood how to use the "learned octane" properly if I could monitor the octane kind of tank by tank. Be great to make sure that the 93 you just bought was really 93!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on September 27, 2014, 06:48:51 AM
Any 2013 plus owners that have a working awd pid please chime in.....
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: TooFast4SHO on September 29, 2014, 12:57:23 PM
TSB 12-7-3 as noted on

http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3141.330.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3141.330.html)

where they Discuss getting those AWD PID's added.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on September 29, 2014, 01:21:28 PM
I had that tsb done but neither awd gauge functions for me.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on September 29, 2014, 01:22:56 PM
TSB 12-7-3 as noted on

[url]http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3141.330.html[/url] ([url]http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3141.330.html[/url])

where they Discuss getting those AWD PID's added.

And that was me that provided the tsb#....

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on September 29, 2014, 02:19:00 PM
Hah.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on October 03, 2014, 07:23:50 PM
New tablet layout
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on October 03, 2014, 07:29:47 PM
Nice!  Got some heatsoak going on there?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on October 03, 2014, 07:57:15 PM
Nice!  Got some heatsoak going on there?
I had been sitting in the garage for a while.

Ambients were awesome tonight and the car was a monster.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on October 03, 2014, 07:58:12 PM
Nice!  Got some heatsoak going on there?
That and a crapload of torque, lol.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on October 03, 2014, 09:19:46 PM
New tablet layout
Love the use of the overlayed gauges! Well done.

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ZSHO on October 04, 2014, 05:12:48 AM
New tablet layout
That looks amazing.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on October 04, 2014, 05:56:44 AM
Torque is android only AFAIK.  Nice mini iPad BTW😁
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on October 04, 2014, 06:08:53 AM
New tablet layout
Any readings on the misfire total count gauge? I've had misfire trips reset with no action on the "misfire events" gauge.

Rich
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on October 04, 2014, 09:50:20 AM
New tablet layout
Any readings on the misfire total count gauge? I've had misfire trips reset with no action on the "misfire events" gauge.

Rich
No but TBH I was sitting in the garage playing and had just added it.

I still can't get the AWD gauge to work, I'm starting to wonder if the PID upload didn't take. Hopefully someone with a 2013+ has gotten it to work and will chime in.

Has anyone seen an option anywhere to export layouts? I swear I've seen it but now I can't find it. I'd love to build some dashboards and be able to make them available to you guys.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on October 04, 2014, 11:39:12 AM
One other thing and I may have missed it but it was lit up and I added it.

What is IMAP?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOmanMike84 on October 04, 2014, 01:14:29 PM
Anyone able to get the Ethanol % gauge to work?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on October 04, 2014, 02:31:19 PM
Anyone able to get the Ethanol % gauge to work?
That will never function and manufacturers don't use sensors to sense the corn anymore.

Head over to the E-85 section, there's a ton of data including how newer cars handle it.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOmanMike84 on October 04, 2014, 02:42:07 PM
I'm currently running an E25 blend and on my 5th tune revise from Torrie. Damn thing pulls good, very impressed. Thanks for the inspiration FoMoCoSHO.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on October 04, 2014, 02:58:28 PM
FoMoCoSHO ... fomenting the corn revolution :D  Intake Manifold Absolute pressure in bars?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on October 04, 2014, 03:02:49 PM
I'm currently running an E25 blend and on my 5th tune revise from Torrie. Damn thing pulls good, very impressed. Thanks for the inspiration FoMoCoSHO.
Glad I could help.

Where's your team corn badge?

lol...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on October 04, 2014, 07:03:39 PM
New tablet layout
Any readings on the misfire total count gauge? I've had misfire trips reset with no action on the "misfire events" gauge.

Rich
No but TBH I was sitting in the garage playing and had just added it.

I still can't get the AWD gauge to work, I'm starting to wonder if the PID upload didn't take. Hopefully someone with a 2013+ has gotten it to work and will chime in.

Has anyone seen an option anywhere to export layouts? I swear I've seen it but now I can't find it. I'd love to build some dashboards and be able to make them available to you guys.
When your in the gauge screen (real time information), hit settings button and then the bottom option. Think it was layout options. Weird thing is, I just went to try again and I can't get the settings icon back on the screen to press.


Edit: once pressed I had to back out of gauges and come back in for it to appear again.
Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on October 04, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
Thanks, Rich!  Found it, but no option to email it.  So probably have to attach the device as storage and retrieve the *.dash file.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on October 05, 2014, 03:36:18 AM
Layout looks great FoMoCo!  Curious why you are displaying all the temps except IAT2.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on October 05, 2014, 04:38:37 AM
Didn't find the *.dash files in internal storage.  Have to get access to internal memory, see if it's secreted there.  FTP (http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-access-sd-card-system-files-on-android-from-your-comuputer/) is the easiest way to do that, looks like.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on October 05, 2014, 05:57:39 AM
Yeah, I couldn't see anywhere to actually send it either.

Torque should(or needs) have more pre-made gauge setups. Great app with so much more potential to be user friendly.

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on October 05, 2014, 06:06:36 AM
New tablet layout
That is a ton of torque. Do you have the weight and speedo in torque dialed in? I used to get spikes into the 400 range before I dialed those in. Now the max I've hit is 395 torque and 372 HP. These numbers keep barely increasing as the weather cools also(along with my kr hitting a max of 0.8 at wot with lift knock ranging from 1-3 deg).

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on October 05, 2014, 09:18:16 AM
Yeah, I've had it dialed in for a while, we will see soon what is going on as I will have access to a new awd dyno. Like every dyno Torque is just a tool, but I feel it has been accurate, at least as far as increases and decreases go. For example, on my best 1/4 run, torque recorded a torque increase that translated pretty much spot on to my time decrease. When the car was stock Torque showed a 38 wtq increase with the corn and subsequently dropped 4/10ths in the 1/4.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on October 05, 2014, 09:21:49 AM
Layout looks great FoMoCo!  Curious why you are displaying all the temps except IAT2.
Because derp? Lol.....

I noticed that last night myself.

Sometimes I get mesmerized by shiny lights and a wall of data....
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on October 05, 2014, 10:11:57 AM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/05/d8c2b247de91b5ace0eaef2dadee4067.jpg)
My current look. Weird that my phone has a hard time picking up the green.

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on October 05, 2014, 10:18:08 AM
Is rear power your awd gauge?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on October 05, 2014, 10:19:04 AM
Is rear power your awd gauge?
Yes

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on October 05, 2014, 11:36:06 AM
Is rear power your awd gauge?
I'd offer to show you the setup, but don't think it helps you with the newer model.

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on October 18, 2014, 09:25:10 AM
Out running errands with the family so haven't been able to find the parameters for LTFT. What ranges should I be in. Thanks in advance, just been real busy lately with caring for my mom.

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on October 18, 2014, 10:54:13 AM
Hope your mom's ok, Rich!  Can't help with specific #s for the fuel trims, but this link (http://www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us60324.htm) says should be within +/-10.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on October 18, 2014, 10:55:38 AM
It will be hard to tell without some sort of baseline prior. My fueling tables are completely different now that I'm tuned.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on October 18, 2014, 11:47:00 AM
I'm running plus 4 to plus 7 now and I'd like to know what others are running so I can better interpret what I'm seeing. I may be looking for something to fret about but I almost seem to remember that when I first set up my tablet long long ago, that my LTFT's were a bit lower....like plus 2 to plus 3. But   Back then I had a mountain of stuff to look at and not much knowledge to use to interpret it so I'm not sure. STFT's are all over the place from moment to moment and kind of fun to look at but I got rid of them to give more room for more meaningful info.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on October 18, 2014, 11:54:11 AM
I'm running plus 4 to plus 7 now and I'd like to know what others are running so I can better interpret what I'm seeing. I may be looking for something to fret about but I almost seem to remember that when I first set up my tablet long long ago, that my LTFT's were a bit lower....like plus 2 to plus 3. But   Back then I had a mountain of stuff to look at and not much knowledge to use to interpret it so I'm not sure. STFT's are all over the place from moment to moment and kind of fun to look at but I got rid of them to give more room for more meaningful info.
100% corn is about a 30 percent higher fuel requirement so 3 ish on 10-15 % sounds about right.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on October 20, 2014, 08:39:37 AM
Hope your mom's ok, Rich!  Can't help with specific #s for the fuel trims, but this link ([url]http://www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us60324.htm[/url]) says should be within +/-10.

Thanks, that link is quite informative. Might take me a few reads to swallow it all.

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Larrylu on October 21, 2014, 06:24:02 AM

Hope your mom's ok, Rich!  Can't help with specific #s for the fuel trims, but this link ([url]http://www.aa1car.com/library/2003/us60324.htm[/url]) says should be within +/-10.

Thanks, that link is quite informative. Might take me a few reads to swallow it all.

Rich

Thanks from me too. Good read and the fuel trim part definitely touches on my concerns!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: sunwolf on November 21, 2014, 05:49:14 AM
Didn't see and discussion referenced under CAC so I guess we start it here. It has been low 20s to mid teens in Michigan lately and when my CAC drops below about 46 it jumps up to ~1300. Anyone know of a fix for this?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on November 21, 2014, 06:05:28 AM
I will look at it. I'm guessing its actually a signed binary number. Its 0 in MN right now so it should be easy to test. :)

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Title: Re: С праздничка
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on December 14, 2014, 11:39:54 AM
I got moderated for being a spammer, aw shucks.
Well posting in English might keep that from happening if you are legit...
Title: Re: С праздничка
Post by: ZSHO on December 14, 2014, 01:51:14 PM
I got moderated for being a spammer, aw shucks.
Well posting in English might keep that from happening if you are legit...
I speak some russian to ***HOLE.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on December 14, 2014, 02:32:14 PM
Lol, I will assume that was for our Russian poster....
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on December 14, 2014, 02:37:24 PM
LOL ...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ZSHO on December 14, 2014, 02:43:57 PM
Lol, I will assume that was for our Russian poster....
AW SHUCK'S IT WAS.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on February 01, 2015, 06:59:32 PM
Has anyone found a way to read tire pressure through torque? Sure wish ford would of added that to the gauges.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on February 01, 2015, 08:33:30 PM
At least the capability to tell WHICH tire is affected is now in the TPMS on the 2015 Edge, so presumably other refreshed lines as well.  Does not track the spare though.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on February 01, 2015, 09:41:08 PM
The 15' F150 has individual tire pressure displayed. Which is really nice.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: perkdog65 on February 04, 2015, 11:16:16 AM
Has anyone found a way to read tire pressure through torque? Sure wish ford would of added that to the gauges.

Do you mean like this:

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on February 04, 2015, 11:20:39 AM
Has anyone found a way to read tire pressure through torque? Sure wish ford would of added that to the gauges.

Do you mean like this:
Oh my.... that's exactly what I want. Care to share the formula?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on February 04, 2015, 11:38:05 AM
He's got a Focus...I know what the PIDs are (and the I believe the formula once upon a time) but in the 2010 - 2012 they came from the smart junction box and I never could get Torque to actually talk to that module.  I believe the 2013+ has a BCM so it may be possible to grab it given the method I used at the beginning to reverse engineer everything but I don't have a 2013+ so I couldn't try it.  If he knows the PID's and can talk to the module then Torque would have no problem displaying them.  Hopefully he will reply!

(edit - I had the BCM and smart junction box backwards in my original post...corrected.)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on February 04, 2015, 11:58:23 AM
He's got a Focus...I know what the PIDs are (and the I believe the formula once upon a time) but in the 2010 - 2012 they came from the smart junction box and I never could get Torque to actually talk to that module.  I believe the 2013+ has a BCM so it may be possible to grab it given the method I used at the beginning to reverse engineer everything but I don't have a 2013+ so I couldn't try it.  If he knows the PID's and can talk to the module then Torque would have no problem displaying them.  Hopefully he will reply!

(edit - I had the BCM and smart junction box backwards in my original post...corrected.)
You could always walk me though what is needed to look for it if you want...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: perkdog65 on February 04, 2015, 02:12:49 PM
Sorry I didn't notice you were asking about a different car but on my FoST this is what i set up under the custom PID's.
LF: 222813
RF: 222814
RR: 222815
LR: 222816
Are the PID numbers and below are screen shots with the formula and other info.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on February 04, 2015, 02:27:06 PM
He's got a Focus...I know what the PIDs are (and the I believe the formula once upon a time) but in the 2010 - 2012 they came from the smart junction box and I never could get Torque to actually talk to that module.  I believe the 2013+ has a BCM so it may be possible to grab it given the method I used at the beginning to reverse engineer everything but I don't have a 2013+ so I couldn't try it.  If he knows the PID's and can talk to the module then Torque would have no problem displaying them.  Hopefully he will reply!

(edit - I had the BCM and smart junction box backwards in my original post...corrected.)
You could always walk me though what is needed to look for it if you want...

Just looked back in this thread - ShoBoat tried it on a 2013 (dialogue back on page 5) and it didn't work but I don't know exactly what he did.  You could try the PIDs from page 1 and use "726" in the header section and see if you get a response...You could also try the PIDs listed above or use the instructions on page 1 yourself to see what the PIDs are for the 2013+ if they are indeed different.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on February 04, 2015, 02:34:28 PM
Should I use the new formula?

There's only 2 PID'S on page 1. How would that work?

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on February 04, 2015, 02:38:29 PM
Should I use the new formula?

There's only 2 PID'S on page 1. How would that work?

Rich


If you check out page 5 each PID represents a set of tires front and back...the values for both tires are represented in the response I believe.  I still think the bigger problem for you (and me) on the 2010-2012's is the fact that the smart junction box is off of the MSCAN bus and Torque doesn't seem to like to talk to it...the 2013+ guys have a BCM off the HSCAN bus so they at least have a shot at it.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on February 04, 2015, 02:41:02 PM
Roger that...just went back and read the few pages...shucks

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on February 08, 2015, 12:06:08 AM
Tested and confirmed working. I let air out of each tire to make sure it changed. It did, I then aired it back up and shows a steady pressure now. Pretty cool.. glad I tried it. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/07/8a1701606466c5c7221b4d9e24352e1a.jpg)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on February 08, 2015, 04:15:42 AM
Kewl :thumb:  Good work, ecoboostsho & wasinger!  What are the PIDs that worked for you?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on February 08, 2015, 05:19:35 AM
Sweet! Good work. Now I am jealous. ;)

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on February 08, 2015, 01:00:33 PM
Here is what I used. Thanks to ecoboostsho, and perkdog65.

Equation: (((256*A)+B)/3+22/3)*0.145

Header: 726

PID's: 222813, 222814, 222815, 222816.

Apparently what works on the focus works on the sho as well.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: millinnium on February 26, 2015, 08:48:48 PM
There are also PIDs to show individual tire speed if that is what you want to monitor as well...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: WickedSHO on March 06, 2015, 12:18:34 PM
Safe to assume that 813 is left front and 814 is right front?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on March 06, 2015, 01:04:10 PM
Safe to assume that 813 is left front and 814 is right front?
Ehh. Don't remember but I know I had to let air out of each tire to make sure I had the right one. I had to reset my phone and I lost all of it. So I'll have to do it again.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on March 06, 2015, 07:03:55 PM
Yup...I'm jealous

In this frigid weather the tire pressure would be great to monitor.

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on March 06, 2015, 07:24:11 PM
Great work guys, thank you!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: HtrdMKS on March 20, 2015, 07:48:52 AM
New to all this so a quick question. Getting ready to buy a "tune". So - I bought the OBDLink MX to start playing with Torque Pro in preparation for data logging.  While adding the Tire Pressure custom PID's, Torque Pro gives a warning about possibly screwing up the ECU with custom PIDS. Is this "possible" or are they just protecting themselves from the liability?

Thanks
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on March 20, 2015, 07:54:05 AM
New to all this so a quick question. Getting ready to buy a "tune". So - I bought the OBDLink MX to start playing with Torque Pro in preparation for data logging.  While adding the Tire Pressure custom PID's, Torque Pro gives a warning about possibly screwing up the ECU with custom PIDS. Is this "possible" or are they just protecting themselves from the liability?

Thanks
Pops up every time you add custom pid. No worries

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on March 29, 2015, 03:06:01 AM
So has anybody figured out what the LOR # correlates to?

Obviously something with the octane...

It just sat at 100 with the 13 no matter the blend, but the 15 it has been as high as 129 with an unknown fuel octane/quality.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on March 29, 2015, 03:38:17 AM
All the other PIDs working as expected on the '15?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on March 29, 2015, 04:32:48 AM
So has anybody figured out what the LOR # correlates to?

Obviously something with the octane...

It just sat at 100 with the 13 no matter the blend, but the 15 it has been as high as 129 with an unknown fuel octane/quality.
Are you still stock? In my experience LOR starts around 129 and then heads down to 100 as it learns. I don't know that it actually represents percent Octane but the fact that it is learning. Once it hits 100 it will stay there unless you unplug the battery for a length of time or tune it and then it will start over. That is the best I have been able to figure out and it is just a guess honestly.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on March 29, 2015, 08:27:16 AM
The way I see it (based on the Oracle [Internet]), the engine "learns" octane based on the feedback it gets from the knock sensor, i.e., correlates knock retard to octane level of current fuel.  For example:
http://www.cngchat.com/forum/showthread.php?9532-CNG-Stoich-and-Compression-Ratio-Vs-Pump-Gas&s=8d47458087926ffe3240cd0fa56b2871&p=52427#post52427 (http://www.cngchat.com/forum/showthread.php?9532-CNG-Stoich-and-Compression-Ratio-Vs-Pump-Gas&s=8d47458087926ffe3240cd0fa56b2871&p=52427#post52427)

From that post:
High Octane Table -
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h361/PCMCalibrator/Tuning%20Tables/EFILive/04%20E85/HighOctane.jpg)

E85 Adder Table -
(http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h361/PCMCalibrator/Tuning%20Tables/EFILive/04%20E85/E85Adder.jpg)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on March 29, 2015, 08:55:49 AM
All the other PIDs working as expected on the '15?
Yes
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on March 31, 2015, 07:11:12 PM
So has anybody figured out what the LOR # correlates to?

Obviously something with the octane...

It just sat at 100 with the 13 no matter the blend, but the 15 it has been as high as 129 with an unknown fuel octane/quality.
Are you still stock? In my experience LOR starts around 129 and then heads down to 100 as it learns. I don't know that it actually represents percent Octane but the fact that it is learning. Once it hits 100 it will stay there unless you unplug the battery for a length of time or tune it and then it will start over. That is the best I have been able to figure out and it is just a guess honestly.

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Yeah, this is exactly what happened but it didn't go below 117 till I filled up with V-power.

I had a crapload of +KR before i filled up so I assume it was 87...

I would say that if your LOR goes above 100, that could mean you got a tank of bad or mislabeled gas....so it does have a good use.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on April 01, 2015, 04:51:53 AM
Here's a nice little article on Octane Adjust Ratio from Cobb:
https://cobbtuning.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204049644-Octane-Adjust-Ratio-OAR-
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: sunwolf on April 01, 2015, 06:36:23 AM
Wait so lower LOL is good? Mine went up when I added some corn.
Title: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: glock-coma on April 01, 2015, 07:03:47 AM
Wait so lower LOL is good? Mine went up when I added some corn.
same here. It was at 129 then slowly worked its way down and stayed @ 102 until I refilled.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on April 01, 2015, 07:53:43 AM
100 is theoretically ideal per the manufacturer's POV, once the new fuel is "relearned" after fillup.  Now what fuel they use exactly to set this ratio, not sure, but fair game to say E10, as that seems to be the standard in most of the country now.  I am sure they allow some variance for quality of fuel, but the "ideal" 100 point will vary by actual fuel in use, which is where tuning comes into play, altering the fuel & spark tables accordingly.  That's why you have 87/89/91/93 and beyond tunes.  You definitely don't want to run less octane than the tune calls for, but more is ok, up to a point, for example. 

Want to set up your own spark table?  Here's a simple way to do it, courtesy of MegaSquirt:
http://www.useasydocs.com/theory/spktable.htm (http://www.useasydocs.com/theory/spktable.htm)
Principles of Tuning Programmable EFI Systems - MegaSquirt:
http://www.megamanual.com/begintuning.htm (http://www.megamanual.com/begintuning.htm)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on April 01, 2015, 07:56:18 AM
Interesting article.  I found an article by Cobb for the Subaru that was pretty similar.  I could probably "adjust" the formula so the gauge indicated -1 in Torque (instead of 100%) and 129 would be "0" - at least from my experience.  That said I don't really know that the behavior we've seen exactly matches up to this on the current gauge so I'm not sure changing the scale/display really help?  I will probably try it on mine and report back.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on April 01, 2015, 08:57:42 AM
Wait so lower LOL is good? Mine went up when I added some corn.
That could mean you got some bad fuel.

The old car never moved from 100, but it always had corn in it from the time that gauge got fired up.

I will be watching the behavior as I add some corn and wood...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on April 01, 2015, 09:03:33 AM
100 is theoretically ideal per the manufacturer's POV, once the new fuel is "relearned" after fillup.  Now what fuel they use exactly to set this ratio, not sure, but fair game to say E10, as that seems to be the standard in most of the country now.  I am sure they allow some variance for quality of fuel, but the "ideal" 100 point will vary by actual fuel in use, which is where tuning comes into play, altering the fuel & spark tables accordingly.  That's why you have 87/89/91/93 and beyond tunes.  You definitely don't want to run less octane than the tune calls for, but more is ok, up to a point, for example. 

Want to set up your own spark table?  Here's a simple way to do it, courtesy of MegaSquirt:
[url]http://www.useasydocs.com/theory/spktable.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.useasydocs.com/theory/spktable.htm[/url])
Principles of Tuning Programmable EFI Systems - MegaSquirt:
[url]http://www.megamanual.com/begintuning.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.megamanual.com/begintuning.htm[/url])

I'm guessing 100 is based on 93 E10 since that's what is the preferred fuel and I'm pretty sure what was used to get the 365 rating.

It would be nice if this number would scale under 100 so we could see any the effects of extra octane above the 93 threshold.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: glock-coma on April 01, 2015, 09:31:52 AM

Wait so lower LOL is good? Mine went up when I added some corn.
That could mean you got some bad fuel.

The old car never moved from 100, but it always had corn in it from the time that gauge got fired up.

I will be watching the behavior as I add some corn and wood...
Wasn't your tune adjusted for corn though?
So I would think if your ratio never changed dramatically it would stay @100.

My tune is not adjusted for corn but I add 2 gallons to battle the winter fuel. That's why I think it shoots up to 129 then once it learns/adjusts what's in the tank it goes back down.  I'm a newb when it comes to blending so I'm prob wrong. Lol
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on April 01, 2015, 10:35:50 AM

Wait so lower LOL is good? Mine went up when I added some corn.
That could mean you got some bad fuel.

The old car never moved from 100, but it always had corn in it from the time that gauge got fired up.

I will be watching the behavior as I add some corn and wood...
Wasn't your tune adjusted for corn though?
So I would think if your ratio never changed dramatically it would stay @100.

My tune is not adjusted for corn but I add 2 gallons to battle the winter fuel. That's why I think it shoots up to 129 then once it learns/adjusts what's in the tank it goes back down.  I'm a newb when it comes to blending so I'm prob wrong. Lol
Initially no, I ran it stock.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on May 20, 2015, 06:11:02 PM
These are working on the F150 also. Just a heads up.

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on May 20, 2015, 07:08:13 PM
Good to hear!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on May 20, 2015, 07:11:19 PM
They also mostly work on the non EB explorer ;)


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: pejohnson on June 07, 2015, 05:55:27 PM
I can't seem to get the following PIDs to work on the Torque Pro app on my phone.  Below is the data used.  Can any of you review and see if I missed something?  I would appreciate any help.


Long Name AWD PWM Modulation of rear
Short Name  AWD %
PID  22d128
Equation  A/256*100
Min Value  0
Max Value  100%
Units Header 761

Long Name    AWD Status on-off
Short Name  AWDStatus
PID  22191C
Equation  (256*A)+B
Min Value 0
Max Value  1
Units  (none)
Header  761


Long Name  LFTire Pressue  RFTire Pressure  RRTire Pressure  LRTire Pressure
Short Name  LF Pressure  RF Pressure  RR Pressure  LR Pressure
PID  222813  222814  222815   222816
Equation    (((256*A)+B)/3+22/3)*0.145 (same for all)
Min Value  0 (same for all)
Max Value  70 (same for all)
Units psi
Header  726 (same for all)


Also having trouble with tracking HP and Torque.  Lastly I somehow deleted all my custom PIDs and gauge layout on Torque Pro.  Which boost / vacuum equations/PIDs do I use?

Phil
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on June 08, 2015, 05:50:36 AM
I can't seem to get the following PIDs to work on the Torque Pro app on my phone.  Below is the data used.  Can any of you review and see if I missed something?  I would appreciate any help.


Long Name AWD PWM Modulation of rear
Short Name  AWD %
PID  22d128
Equation  A/256*100
Min Value  0
Max Value  100%
Units Header 761

Long Name    AWD Status on-off
Short Name  AWDStatus
PID  22191C
Equation  (256*A)+B
Min Value 0
Max Value  1
Units  (none)
Header  761


Long Name  LFTire Pressue  RFTire Pressure  RRTire Pressure  LRTire Pressure
Short Name  LF Pressure  RF Pressure  RR Pressure  LR Pressure
PID  222813  222814  222815   222816
Equation    (((256*A)+B)/3+22/3)*0.145 (same for all)
Min Value  0 (same for all)
Max Value  70 (same for all)
Units psi
Header  726 (same for all)


Also having trouble with tracking HP and Torque.  Lastly I somehow deleted all my custom PIDs and gauge layout on Torque Pro.  Which boost / vacuum equations/PIDs do I use?

Phil
Your AWD % looks good, do you have a screenshot or pic of the editor page? Only thing I don't see you listing above is, unit type (%).

Boost gauge I use.

PID.....22f40b
Min/max....-25/20
Unit...psi
Equation....A*.145-14.7


Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: sunwolf on June 08, 2015, 06:47:12 AM
I can't seem to get the following PIDs to work on the Torque Pro app on my phone.  Below is the data used.  Can any of you review and see if I missed something?  I would appreciate any help.


Long Name AWD PWM Modulation of rear
Short Name  AWD %
PID  22d128
Equation  A/256*100
Min Value  0
Max Value  100%
Units Header 761

Long Name    AWD Status on-off
Short Name  AWDStatus
PID  22191C
Equation  (256*A)+B
Min Value 0
Max Value  1
Units  (none)
Header  761


Long Name  LFTire Pressue  RFTire Pressure  RRTire Pressure  LRTire Pressure
Short Name  LF Pressure  RF Pressure  RR Pressure  LR Pressure
PID  222813  222814  222815   222816
Equation    (((256*A)+B)/3+22/3)*0.145 (same for all)
Min Value  0 (same for all)
Max Value  70 (same for all)
Units psi
Header  726 (same for all)


Also having trouble with tracking HP and Torque.  Lastly I somehow deleted all my custom PIDs and gauge layout on Torque Pro.  Which boost / vacuum equations/PIDs do I use?

Phil
AWD won't work on 13+
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 09, 2015, 10:17:57 AM
Is there a list of which PIDs are for CANBUS sourced data?
I'm trying to discover if my wifi OBD allows access to them for using with Engine Link on my iPhone.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 09, 2015, 10:21:11 AM
All PIDs on the Taurus are from a CANbus by definition. Are you trying to use the custom PIDs with engine link? I am not familiar with that app.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 09, 2015, 11:32:14 AM
Yes, working on custom PIDs.

Engine Link does allow them and I have successfully added transmission temp.  Tire pressures do not work which I believe is due to my Flex being a '14.

Only reason I'm not using Torque is the curse of the iPhone. ;-)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 10, 2015, 11:01:12 AM

I can't seem to get the following PIDs to work on the Torque Pro app on my phone.  Below is the data used.  Can any of you review and see if I missed something?  I would appreciate any help.


Long Name AWD PWM Modulation of rear
Short Name  AWD %
PID  22d128
Equation  A/256*100
Min Value  0
Max Value  100%
Units Header 761

Long Name    AWD Status on-off
Short Name  AWDStatus
PID  22191C
Equation  (256*A)+B
Min Value 0
Max Value  1
Units  (none)
Header  761


Long Name  LFTire Pressue  RFTire Pressure  RRTire Pressure  LRTire Pressure
Short Name  LF Pressure  RF Pressure  RR Pressure  LR Pressure
PID  222813  222814  222815   222816
Equation    (((256*A)+B)/3+22/3)*0.145 (same for all)
Min Value  0 (same for all)
Max Value  70 (same for all)
Units psi
Header  726 (same for all)


Also having trouble with tracking HP and Torque.  Lastly I somehow deleted all my custom PIDs and gauge layout on Torque Pro.  Which boost / vacuum equations/PIDs do I use?

Phil
AWD won't work on 13+

Confirmed not working, I will see if the PID is different for the 13+.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on June 10, 2015, 01:00:38 PM

I can't seem to get the following PIDs to work on the Torque Pro app on my phone.  Below is the data used.  Can any of you review and see if I missed something?  I would appreciate any help.


Long Name AWD PWM Modulation of rear
Short Name  AWD %
PID  22d128
Equation  A/256*100
Min Value  0
Max Value  100%
Units Header 761

Long Name    AWD Status on-off
Short Name  AWDStatus
PID  22191C
Equation  (256*A)+B
Min Value 0
Max Value  1
Units  (none)
Header  761


Long Name  LFTire Pressue  RFTire Pressure  RRTire Pressure  LRTire Pressure
Short Name  LF Pressure  RF Pressure  RR Pressure  LR Pressure
PID  222813  222814  222815   222816
Equation    (((256*A)+B)/3+22/3)*0.145 (same for all)
Min Value  0 (same for all)
Max Value  70 (same for all)
Units psi
Header  726 (same for all)


Also having trouble with tracking HP and Torque.  Lastly I somehow deleted all my custom PIDs and gauge layout on Torque Pro.  Which boost / vacuum equations/PIDs do I use?

Phil
AWD won't work on 13+

Confirmed not working, I will see if the PID is different for the 13+.


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I have a file that might help you with that.....i will email it to you when I get home
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 10, 2015, 02:47:38 PM
What is different in what you have in your file which may help?
Different formulas or...?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Dxlnt1 on June 10, 2015, 03:54:08 PM
In addition to very first post of this thread, is there a database that someone has that has all of the known and working PID mods that users have created? If not, I would be willing to attempt at making one. Using the info from very first post. But I would need someone to go through and verify them all before they go into file.

Would need all parameters and pix of editor and possibly the working gauge.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on June 10, 2015, 03:58:04 PM
In addition to very first post of this thread, is there a database that someone has that has all of the known and working PID mods that users have created? If not, I would be willing to attempt at making one. Using the info from very first post. But I would need someone to go through and verify them all before they go into file.

Would need all parameters and pix of editor and possibly the working gauge.
Think there's a pdf(?) File on the first post at very bottom.

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 10, 2015, 04:59:49 PM

I can't seem to get the following PIDs to work on the Torque Pro app on my phone.  Below is the data used.  Can any of you review and see if I missed something?  I would appreciate any help.


Long Name AWD PWM Modulation of rear
Short Name  AWD %
PID  22d128
Equation  A/256*100
Min Value  0
Max Value  100%
Units Header 761

Long Name    AWD Status on-off
Short Name  AWDStatus
PID  22191C
Equation  (256*A)+B
Min Value 0
Max Value  1
Units  (none)
Header  761


Long Name  LFTire Pressue  RFTire Pressure  RRTire Pressure  LRTire Pressure
Short Name  LF Pressure  RF Pressure  RR Pressure  LR Pressure
PID  222813  222814  222815   222816
Equation    (((256*A)+B)/3+22/3)*0.145 (same for all)
Min Value  0 (same for all)
Max Value  70 (same for all)
Units psi
Header  726 (same for all)


Also having trouble with tracking HP and Torque.  Lastly I somehow deleted all my custom PIDs and gauge layout on Torque Pro.  Which boost / vacuum equations/PIDs do I use?

Phil
AWD won't work on 13+

Confirmed not working, I will see if the PID is different for the 13+.


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I have a file that might help you with that.....i will email it to you when I get home

Thanks FoMo, but I found the PID it is different for 13+ its 221e63 equation remains the same
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on June 10, 2015, 05:04:01 PM
Oh sweet, is the formula live?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 10, 2015, 05:07:05 PM

Oh sweet, is the formula live?
Haven't fully tested it but in the garage it was at 3% and Forscan was reporting the same. So it should be. When I logged with Forscan in the past it was.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Dxlnt1 on June 10, 2015, 06:27:59 PM
In addition to very first post of this thread, is there a database that someone has that has all of the known and working PID mods that users have created? If not, I would be willing to attempt at making one. Using the info from very first post. But I would need someone to go through and verify them all before they go into file.

Would need all parameters and pix of editor and possibly the working gauge.
Think there's a pdf(?) File on the first post at very bottom.

Rich

Awesome. Is it kept up to date with the latest and greatest?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 10, 2015, 06:36:15 PM
Just tested the AWD PID seems to work as advertised. Interesting as the rear seems to jump to over 80% as soon as you step on the pedal from a dig. Even with light acceleration.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 10, 2015, 07:21:27 PM
In addition to very first post of this thread, is there a database that someone has that has all of the known and working PID mods that users have created? If not, I would be willing to attempt at making one. Using the info from very first post. But I would need someone to go through and verify them all before they go into file.

Would need all parameters and pix of editor and possibly the working gauge.
Think there's a pdf(?) File on the first post at very bottom.

Rich

Awesome. Is it kept up to date with the latest and greatest?

To the best of my ability yes it is - with one caveat.  I have a 2011 so the file is geared more toward the 2010 - 2012 years just because that is what I have so that is what I can test.  Several others have taken what I started and did a fantastic job figuring out some of the 2013+ PIDs.  The majority of the PIDs are common to all the years but anything with the AWD unit and anything in the Body Control Module (ie tire pressures) is different.  If someone is willing to pull together anything 2013 specific and send it to me I would happily post that file in the first post of this thread for reference.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on June 10, 2015, 08:00:46 PM
Just tested the AWD PID seems to work as advertised. Interesting as the rear seems to jump to over 80% as soon as you step on the pedal from a dig. Even with light acceleration.


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That is what I see in my gauge....any provocation of the happy pedal moves power to the rear first.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on June 11, 2015, 02:29:17 AM
Does tuning change this, either in % sent or duration of time sent?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 11, 2015, 05:49:40 AM
Interesting. I don't see this in my 2011 -at least not as dramatically. It does send power rearward but only between 7 and 50% usually unless I stand on it from a stop.  I seldom see over 80%. I wonder if they tweaked the programing after 2013?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 11, 2015, 05:53:22 AM
I had heard that they had made some changes. I would like to see the actual in a graph.
I will do some logging and report back.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on June 11, 2015, 06:58:36 AM
I think 2013+ received the updated Gen 3 jtekt coupling.

There is some info in the awd area about this unit.

I emailed them for clarification but haven't heard back.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ZSHO on June 11, 2015, 07:15:59 AM
I'm pretty sure that in general the 13+SHO THE ECU & PCM was updated,and the encoding of the programming is totally different than the previous years. Z
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 18, 2015, 02:34:40 PM
AWD PID works using Enginelink on my iPhone for my '14 Flex ecoboost.  :-)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on June 18, 2015, 03:47:04 PM
AWD PID works using Enginelink on my iPhone for my '14 Flex ecoboost.  :-)
Nice!  Got any pics/vids to share?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on June 18, 2015, 06:37:55 PM
I've been playing with forscan lite and it has the pid. Actually, tons and tons of pids, lol....
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 18, 2015, 06:56:33 PM
Hmm, I'll have to take a closer look at Forscan light on my iPhone and find them there too.  ;-)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 18, 2015, 07:01:00 PM
AWD PID works using Enginelink on my iPhone for my '14 Flex ecoboost.  :-)
Nice!  Got any pics/vids to share?

I'm afraid no pics or videos. :-(
I'll see if my 4yr old or 6-mo old can help in the future. ;-)
Title: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 18, 2015, 07:19:32 PM
I've been playing with forscan lite and it has the pid. Actually, tons and tons of pids, lol....

I have also been digging into this, there is a beta of it for Android too. The UI could use some polish though :(


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on June 18, 2015, 08:34:39 PM
I've been playing with forscan lite and it has the pid. Actually, tons and tons of pids, lol....

I have also been digging into this, there is a beta of it for Android too. The UI could use some polish though :(


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Yeah, that's the one I'm playing with.

I can't manipulate the gauges at all they're too small to be of any use while driving.

Some of the multipliers are way out of whack as well and no way to change them.

It looks like these issues will be addressed but it may take some time.

It looks to be very fast though.

 
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on June 19, 2015, 02:44:14 AM
I'll see if my 4yr old or 6-mo old can help in the future. ;-)
LOL  just might be the ticket!
It looks to be very fast though.
Hopefully when the GUI IS working right, it won't cause a slowdown!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 24, 2015, 06:41:48 AM
Can anyone confirm tire pressure data does or does not work on 2013+ or are the PIDs different?

I haven't had success on my '14 Flex using the custom PID info posted earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on June 24, 2015, 06:51:05 AM

Can anyone confirm tire pressure data does or does not work on 2013+ or are the PIDs different?

I haven't had success on my '14 Flex using the custom PID info posted earlier in this thread.

On the 13 SHO I can confirm that it does work and reports the correct tire pressure. The PIDs earlier in this thread are the correct ones.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: pejohnson on June 24, 2015, 07:45:24 AM
I can confirm tire pressures work on my 13 as well.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: wasinger3000 on June 24, 2015, 08:55:41 AM
It works on my 13 as well.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 24, 2015, 04:47:42 PM
Thank you all for the confirmation.  I'm going to rebuild the custom PIDs and see if it works; however, I may be limited by the capabilities of Enginelink running on my iPhone, we shall see.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 25, 2015, 04:49:44 AM
Are tire pressures always available in torque or do you need to be driving and/or drive a minimum time/distance for the data to be available?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: twnscrw13 on June 25, 2015, 07:10:59 AM
Tested and confirmed working. I let air out of each tire to make sure it changed. It did, I then aired it back up and shows a steady pressure now. Pretty cool.. glad I tried it. ([url]http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/07/8a1701606466c5c7221b4d9e24352e1a.jpg[/url])


What PID/formula did you use?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: twnscrw13 on June 25, 2015, 11:41:23 AM
Just tested the AWD PID seems to work as advertised. Interesting as the rear seems to jump to over 80% as soon as you step on the pedal from a dig. Even with light acceleration.


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That is what I see in my gauge....any provocation of the happy pedal moves power to the rear first.

I've played with the pid and I'm not getting a response (little green light). What PID, header, equation are you using?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 25, 2015, 08:32:26 PM
I have had luck using the AWD% PID and formula from a few pages back on my '14 Flex:

Long Name AWD PWM Modulation of rear
Short Name  AWD %
PID  22d128
Equation  A/256*100
Min Value  0
Max Value  100%
Units Header 761
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: twnscrw13 on June 25, 2015, 11:28:05 PM
I have had luck using the AWD% PID and formula from a few pages back on my '14 Flex:

Long Name AWD PWM Modulation of rear
Short Name  AWD %
PID  22d128
Equation  A/256*100
Min Value  0
Max Value  100%
Units Header 761
Using those values I get
  Result for equation: No response
  Command: 22d128
  Response: NO DATA
Using the 726 header I get
  Results for equation: No response
  Command: 22d128
  Response: 7F2231 (I get the same if I use 221e63 as the PID)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 26, 2015, 05:56:23 AM
Hopefully a veteran Torque user will chime in to help you.  I'm using Enginelink on my iPhone which seems to work with some of the custom PIDs that have been figured out for Torque.

In terms of my tire pressure challenges the formulas I'm trying are:

Long Name  LFTire Pressue  RFTire Pressure  RRTire Pressure  LRTire Pressure
Short Name  LF Pressure  RF Pressure  RR Pressure  LR Pressure
PID  222813  222814  222815   222816
Equation    (((256*A)+B)/3+22/3)*0.145 (same for all)
Min Value  0 (same for all)
Max Value  70 (same for all)
Units psi
Header  726 (same for all)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 28, 2015, 05:15:38 AM
The tire pressures come from the BCM in the 13+ vehicles. I'm wondering if engine link isn't talking to the right module...that's what the header is for. Only thing I can think of...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 28, 2015, 06:39:22 AM
Interesting.  I will try to test it on a pre '13 car when I get a chance and see if it works.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on June 28, 2015, 07:14:24 AM
Unfortunately in pre 2013 cars there is a smart junction box not a BCM so you can't get tire pressures unless your adapter and software can handle medium speed CAN. (MSCAN) as opposed to HSCAN. Torque can't so we don't get tire pressures on the 2010-2012s. FORSCAN can read them though.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on June 28, 2015, 07:45:13 AM
I see, thanks!  I believe my limitation is either the Enginelink app or the WiFi adapter needed for an iPhone.  If I ever run into a solution I will let everyone know.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on August 12, 2015, 09:53:32 PM
So have these new gauges all been added to the bulk file?

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Dxlnt1 on August 13, 2015, 12:45:31 AM
Like others, on my 2011 I cannot get a few of the PID's to read. None of the gauges pick up or read anything. Am I missing something here?


Learned Octane
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-08-12-23-32-25_zpssee4d4qk.png)

AWD Modulation
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-08-12-23-32-10_zps6hybcrrk.png)

AWD Status
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-08-12-23-31-51_zpse0jjljke.png)

Tire pressure
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-08-12-23-31-27_zpsc3a5f9dt.png)

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on August 13, 2015, 03:29:11 AM
You are not using Torque, right?  In Torque, you have to delete the existing display, then edit the PID, and create a new display.  At least for LOR, shouldn't the range be -1.0 to 1.0?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Dxlnt1 on August 13, 2015, 03:33:09 AM
You are not using Torque, right?  In Torque, you have to delete the existing display, then edit the PID, and create a new display.  At least for LOR, shouldn't the range be -1.0 to 1.0?

I am using Torque with Note 4 phone. Ive learned whenever changes are made to PID formulas, calculation or even name change, the gauge has to be re-added.

But for LOR I thought the range from where I saw was 0-100. I can maybe try your suggestion.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOnUup on August 13, 2015, 05:35:37 AM
You are not using Torque, right?  In Torque, you have to delete the existing display, then edit the PID, and create a new display.  At least for LOR, shouldn't the range be -1.0 to 1.0?

I am using Torque with Note 4 phone. Ive learned whenever changes are made to PID formulas, calculation or even name change, the gauge has to be re-added.

But for LOR I thought the range from where I saw was 0-100. I can maybe try your suggestion.
Looks like there's a space after "signed" in your LOR gauge setup

Rich

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: jdub1981 on August 13, 2015, 07:08:32 AM
These were just posted on the ST forum.
http://www.focusst.org/forum/showthread.php?p=916264.

Should be about 60 new PIDs.  They can be imported into Torque Pro directly by copying the .csv file into the extended PIDs folder using a file manager app in Android.  You will need to show hidden files with the app inorder to view the .torque folder.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 13, 2015, 01:12:11 PM
These were just posted on the ST forum.
[url]http://www.focusst.org/forum/showthread.php?p=916264.[/url] ([url]http://www.focusst.org/forum/showthread.php?p=916264.[/url])

Should be about 60 new PIDs.  They can be imported into Torque Pro directly by copying the .csv file into the extended PIDs folder using a file manager app in Android.  You will need to show hidden files with the app inorder to view the .torque folder.

Thank you for posting these!  A lot of them are the same that we've previously discovered so there is a good chance that many of them will work!  That said I don't know if the ECU's from the Focus are the same as the Taurus or not so it will be interesting to see if everything works or just some stuff.  I am definitely interested in the low pressure fuel pump actual and a few others!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 13, 2015, 01:27:11 PM
Like others, on my 2011 I cannot get a few of the PID's to read. None of the gauges pick up or read anything. Am I missing something here?


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([url]http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-08-12-23-32-25_zpssee4d4qk.png[/url])

AWD Modulation
([url]http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-08-12-23-32-10_zps6hybcrrk.png[/url])

AWD Status
([url]http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-08-12-23-31-51_zpse0jjljke.png[/url])

Tire pressure
([url]http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-08-12-23-31-27_zpsc3a5f9dt.png[/url])




LOR will definitely be -1 to +1 (unless you really like 0 to 100% then you could change the formula yourself) and I see ShonUup caught the space.

Not sure on AWD modulation as it looks right.  If you delete the formula and hit "test" when you add the custom PID do you get a response? If so what is it?  After you do that just for fun delete the header information and see if you get a response then.

AWD status formula should be  (256*A)+B
It's either On (a '1') or Off '0'.

2011 can't read tire pressures...just 2013+
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: jdub1981 on August 13, 2015, 01:31:42 PM
These were just posted on the ST forum.
[url]http://www.focusst.org/forum/showthread.php?p=916264.[/url] ([url]http://www.focusst.org/forum/showthread.php?p=916264.[/url])

Should be about 60 new PIDs.  They can be imported into Torque Pro directly by copying the .csv file into the extended PIDs folder using a file manager app in Android.  You will need to show hidden files with the app inorder to view the .torque folder.

Thank you for posting these!  A lot of them are the same that we've previously discovered so there is a good chance that many of them will work!  That said I don't know if the ECU's from the Focus are the same as the Taurus or not so it will be interesting to see if everything works or just some stuff.  I am definitely interested in the low pressure fuel pump actual and a few others!

I know for a fact that the tire pressure one works but the PID only updates every 6 seconds to it would be very easy to over/under inflate your tires unless you knew about the 6 second update rate.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 13, 2015, 01:45:19 PM
They work in a focus. yes? They won't however work in a 2010-12 SHO because there is a smart junction box on the MSCAN bus and not a BCM on the HSCAN bus. At least in Torque you can't read both buses at the same time. Unless you've figured out a way to do that? I'm all ears if you have. Tire pressures work great o. A 2013+ SHO.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 13, 2015, 02:21:50 PM
So happy report the low pressure fuel pump actual works! I also tried out the different charge air cooler formula and it seems to work better than the original one! Great stuff!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Dxlnt1 on August 13, 2015, 02:27:44 PM
Like others, on my 2011 I cannot get a few of the PID's to read. None of the gauges pick up or read anything. Am I missing something here?


Learned Octane
([url]http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-08-12-23-32-25_zpssee4d4qk.png[/url])

AWD Modulation
([url]http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-08-12-23-32-10_zps6hybcrrk.png[/url])

AWD Status
([url]http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-08-12-23-31-51_zpse0jjljke.png[/url])

Tire pressure
([url]http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-08-12-23-31-27_zpsc3a5f9dt.png[/url])




LOR will definitely be -1 to +1 (unless you really like 0 to 100% then you could change the formula yourself) and I see ShonUup caught the space.

Not sure on AWD modulation as it looks right.  If you delete the formula and hit "test" when you add the custom PID do you get a response? If so what is it?  After you do that just for fun delete the header information and see if you get a response then.

AWD status formula should be  (256*A)+B
It's either On (a '1') or Off '0'.

2011 can't read tire pressures...just 2013+


Ok, I corrected the formula for LOR. Will test in car later tonight or tomorrow.

The AWD status, if you right I inverted the numbers. (256 vs 265) I will correct and test also.

When hitting test button, I would get ECU not connected message.

I thought someone had tire pressures working for '11 model. BUMMER for me!

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: jdub1981 on August 14, 2015, 05:27:34 AM
They work in a focus. yes? They won't however work in a 2010-12 SHO because there is a smart junction box on the MSCAN bus and not a BCM on the HSCAN bus. At least in Torque you can't read both buses at the same time. Unless you've figured out a way to do that? I'm all ears if you have. Tire pressures work great o. A 2013+ SHO.
Torque Pro is very pretty program to look at but if you want to View ALL pids available there is no better program/App than FORScan.  It has hundreds of pids each seperated by individual module and bus.  Obviously if you cant read the MSCAN or ICAN busses then you wont be able to see those modules.  Forscan is a Ford, Mazda and possibly Lincoln only reader.  Its completely free on PC but is not free on Iphone/Android.  It can run individual tests on certain modules and has some PATS functionality as well.  You only need a minimum of the app and an ELM327 but an OBDlink MX bluetooth is highly recommended since it can read all busses at a rate of 120pids per second.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on August 14, 2015, 05:36:40 AM
Yep. That is what I used to figure the original PIDs quite some time ago. See page 1 of this thread. theI use it all the time for real logging. Once they get their Android app/gui a little more functional I will definitely be looking at using that. I have it on my tablet and there are a ton of PIDs.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on August 14, 2015, 07:05:37 AM
Forscan is great for a datalogging tool but as a gauge suite is close to useless in its current form.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on September 09, 2015, 10:49:57 AM
Hello Everyone!  I spent some time doing some long overdue updating to the first page of the thread - although nothing too drastic.  What I did do was attach a new file for download with all of the PIDs for everything from 2010 - present that we know about.  (Again see the first post in this thread at the bottom.  It is labeled "Ford Ecoboost Ext PIDs.csv") this includes the PIDs from the Focus thread with a few modifications.  I needed to delete a few that weren't present in our cars (active shutters in the grille for instance) and verify that the rest of the PIDs were working etc...Most of them loaded right up but a few needed some modification to work with my Taurus.  I also COMBINED All of the PIDs from the 2010-12 and 13+ models up.  What I did do was indicate right in the title which ones are for which model.  You won't harm anything by loading them all - the ones not for your model simply won't work.  (AWD gauge and tire pressures are the big ones for now)  I also added an "*" at the beginning of all the PIDs so they show up at the top of your custom torque gauges and are easy to differentiate from either other loaded PIDs or the built in Torque ones.  They are also in alphabetical order so you can find them easier.

ONE NOTE OF CAUTION.  IF YOU LOAD THESE IN TO YOUR EXISTING SETUP THE NAMES ARE DIFFERENT SO YOU WILL BREAK YOUR EXISTING GAUGES AND YOU WILL HAVE TO RE-ADD THEM!!!  YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

My hope was this would make it easier to keep them all in one place for now.  If I missed any please let me know!!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on September 09, 2015, 10:55:18 AM
This stuff makes me so happy :fruit:  Thanks again for putting the T&E into into it, man!!!
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on September 09, 2015, 10:59:54 AM
Very nice indeed! Thanks for putting this together! I have been meaning to ask you, are you on Instagram ecoboostsho? There is someone there with the same name and its SHOs from all over the place.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on September 09, 2015, 11:02:23 AM
I am on Instagram but that isn't me.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on September 09, 2015, 11:04:16 AM
Interesting... You should check it out lol. Most of our cars are on there. And more interesting are there are cars from overseas. Guys commenting in Arabic.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on September 09, 2015, 11:06:26 AM
For anyone interested his name is ECOBOOST_SHO


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on September 09, 2015, 11:07:21 AM
Dang it. Should have copyrighted it. Probably couldn't have gotten that by Ford though. Lol
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ShoBoat on September 09, 2015, 11:51:25 AM

Dang it. Should have copyrighted it. Probably couldn't have gotten that by Ford though. Lol


Lol! Here check this out. I wonder how many were exported overseas?

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Dxlnt1 on September 22, 2015, 12:03:57 PM
Cant get Knock retard to work. Using obdlink mx and Android phone. I set up mx with advance so it connects to phone via hotspot. This using the obdlink software. When it does connect seems to drop connection and/or slow to update.

I can't get it to connect with Torque.

First pic is torque pid.

Last 3 are pid in obdlink software.

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on September 22, 2015, 01:07:15 PM
Do you have the MX Bluetooth or the WiFi model?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Dxlnt1 on September 22, 2015, 01:29:01 PM
MX WiFi
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on September 23, 2015, 01:55:56 AM
Okay...there are some known issues with the WiFi version.  Do you have any of the custom PIDs working within Torque right now?  Or just the "standard" ones?  (I'm assuming you have it working at some level). 
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Dxlnt1 on September 23, 2015, 10:34:16 AM
Okay...there are some known issues with the WiFi version.  Do you have any of the custom PIDs working within Torque right now?  Or just the "standard" ones?  (I'm assuming you have it working at some level).

Before I changed obd device I had most of the ones I wanted working. I even had LOR working.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: BiGMaC on September 23, 2015, 04:15:06 PM
Okay...there are some known issues with the WiFi version.  Do you have any of the custom PIDs working within Torque right now?  Or just the "standard" ones?  (I'm assuming you have it working at some level).

Before I changed obd device I had most of the ones I wanted working. I even had LOR working.
There are apparently some issues with the WiFi version... One thing I noted is the need to do the "advanced install"... The issues seem to be related to sleep and not being able to connect at all... Also it can interfere with phone use unless the "advanced install" method is used.

Manu had a terrible experience.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on September 23, 2015, 05:39:26 PM
It sucks you guys had such bad experience. How they managed to engineer the MX so well, then released the lx, which by all accounts shouldn't have gotten out of development, is beyond me.

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Dxlnt1 on September 23, 2015, 09:10:36 PM
Okay...there are some known issues with the WiFi version.  Do you have any of the custom PIDs working within Torque right now?  Or just the "standard" ones?  (I'm assuming you have it working at some level).

Before I changed obd device I had most of the ones I wanted working. I even had LOR working.
There are apparently some issues with the WiFi version... One thing I noted is the need to do the "advanced install"... The issues seem to be related to sleep and not being able to connect at all... Also it can interfere with phone use unless the "advanced install" method is used.

Manu had a terrible experience.

The advance install is a pain. I think that is part of my problem in that maybe hampers connection. But I even tried connected my ipad since its WiFi and it had trouble maintaining a good connection.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Dxlnt1 on September 27, 2015, 06:45:37 PM
So I think I have the "monitoring" PID's working now. And fixed issue with with Torque pro connecting. (Was IP address setting). However the mx is still dropping connections. I am waiting for replacement reader to show up.

This is pic of screen with car idling. Help me to decipher the raw data knock sensors. They are reading 173/187. With engine idling and goosing the engine, I get no knock retard. So are the raw knock reading normal to have? And is it only a problem if timing is being pulled? Is the knock retard the only number to be concerned with? This is the the 93 4+X tune loaded, with 91 octane fuel and the ACES IV.

The LOR reading is changing. I don't believe it in this pic. I think because car just idling and been sitting all day reading is erroneous. Car first started it showed -1, then to -.7 This probably all due to car just idling. So I need to add the OAR PID to help validate.

(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab162/dxlnt1/SHO/Screenshot_2015-09-27-18-25-00_zpshxrxzan3.png)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on September 27, 2015, 06:56:31 PM
What you want is the knock ignition timing PID not the individual sensor counts. I think it's 2203ec but I'm going from memory so check the first post in this thread. I've never seen the LOR change from just idling and blipping the throttle. Usually it will only change unless it's been flashed, battery disconnected, or you've got actual knock. If its high enough the LOR will react quickly. Not sure I guess at this point until we see your ignition timing correction (knock retard) value.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Dxlnt1 on September 27, 2015, 08:03:24 PM
Good memory.

The knock retard is showing as 0. The ignition timing is showing as 12 deg.

Again I have little faith in my obd reader reliability but if its trending correctly this is what is happening. So I can ignore individual sensors and just watch KR? When I leave work tonight, I will try to log a few things. I think I have room for 1 quick WOT pull before I get into trouble.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on September 28, 2015, 10:36:44 AM
I would tread cautiously. That oar number is telling you you dont have the octane you need for your tune.

I run the knock count gauges but have yet to figure out what they mean in relation to Kr and timing.
 
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on September 28, 2015, 12:41:09 PM
From what this post (http://maxima.org/forums/supercharged-turbocharged/216885-how-do-you-define-knock-count.html#post2240226) says, Knock Count is relevant to OBDI vehicles, as it is an actual knock event being noted.  On OBDII, it is a voltage reading for internal use by the ECU to determine whether & how much to pull timing.

Quote
Originally Posted by DSMJim in the 4th Gen Forum

Ok, this is the funny thing.. Knock count I'm refering to is what is viewed on a OBD1 DSM, it's so many counts per a period of time. I don't know what that period is, doesn't really matter just as long as that count doesn't exceed 40 at the very most (even that's dangerous). Many people who read DSM tuning guides don't know what the number mean or how they apply to a different car.

OBD2 doesn't see knock in a number like 5-10 as I have been refering, it shows a raw number that the computer deciphers. I believe it's given from the sensor in Ohm's or Voltage and is then converted by the computer into a number which it uses. If you hook up a SAFC2 and look at the knock readout during normal driving you will see numbers like 40-50 showing up but it's not knock because cars don't knock at part throttle at all, pretty well impossible under there is some big *** hill your trying to climb or something that puts lots of load on the engine. That makes the number from the stock knock sensor pretty much uselss.

On OBD2 (or OBD1 for that matter) when you get lots of knock timing will start to get pulled. So your best way to monitor knock is by watching timing. If your at WOT and 4500rpm your timing is 16deg, then 5000rpm its 17deg then 5500 it goes back to 15deg you know you had knock between 5000-5500rpm because timing got yanked 2deg right there. Timing should gradually ramp up with RPM to redline. If you start at 16deg at 4500 and slowly end up at 22deg at 7000rpm then that's a pretty good curve and it goes up one or two deg every 500rpm or so, your golden. It doesn't matter how much knock the computer is seeing, because its not enough to pull timing back. If you keep timing happy and rising nicely though the rpm band then knock WILL be under control. Doesn't matter if it's zero or 1000 the computer will determine if and when to advance timing based on what the knock sensor send back to it. If your Air/fuel ratio is good then you will have little or no knock and the computer will advance timing normally.

It all comes down to Air/Fuel. Don't aim for a specific number like 12:1 if your turbo because you heard thats the best. If your car ramps timing up faster at 11.6:1 or something like that then it's happier being there then leaner at 12:1. Basically get your A/F into the right zone for your application (11.2 - 11.5:1 for Nitrous, 11.5-12.0:1 for Turbo and 12.9 - 13.3:1 for All motor all at WOT) then make adjustment until your timing ramps up the fastest and goes to the highest number. Thats then you know your running the right air/fuel that makes your motor happy, timing is good and knock is under control and your making the most power.

 Rich cars lose power, lean cars make power but risk blowing up, the first sign of which is knock then pistons with holes in them. You want to stick to the safe side on the street so tune rich (not crazy but it your turbo shoot for 11.5:1 to start not 12.0:1) and go from there. Once you have spent some time tuning your car and going to the track and seeing what works for you, you will know exactly what makes your particular motor/setup happy and make the most HP. Then you won't have to listen to guys on the internet tell you what to do because you will know what to do.


Sample Knock Sensor Voltage graphs from a BMW site (http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1080861-Stock-knock-sensors-datalogging):
NO KNOCK
(http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/temp/MAFKNC/MAF2-noknock.gif)
KNOCK
(http://www.turbo-garage.com.ua/garage/temp/MAFKNC/MAF2-knock.gif)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: AJP turbo on September 28, 2015, 01:10:52 PM
Quick thing at a glance i saw that is wrong with that statement...yes timing should advance gradually as rpm rises thats provided load doesnt change...load is almost never consant in these ecoboosts at wot...they are trying to maintain a certain level or torque and the engine varies its efficiency at different loads and rpms so boost will change at different torque levels.

So if load jumps up at high rpms then timing will go down simply because its following the spark tables....so the timing simply going down as rpms increase may not be indicative of any knock event or knock retard
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: AJP turbo on September 28, 2015, 01:57:14 PM
Also i wouldnt run as lean as what that guy suggests....his numbers are more apprpriate for race cars all across the board...the risk reward isnt there...the coyote mustangs run high 11's afr even at n/a...alot of factory boosted cars run high 10's afr....real power comes from timing advance and not leaning out the fuel mix but level of safety goes way up when u run rich
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on September 28, 2015, 02:15:45 PM
I've seen that article but the numbers I see don't correlate at all....

I see 60-600, and I don't see any rhyme or reason how things fit together....

I will say the max number hasn't been above 540 since I went back on the corn....E20

Maybe the pid is wrong?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on September 28, 2015, 02:44:32 PM
60-600 ... millivolts?  Every engine has its' own calibration from the manufacturer, and the threshold will change with RPM & load.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: AJP turbo on September 28, 2015, 03:01:01 PM
That guy dsm jim is trying to simplify and correlate different knock algorithyms between way too many platforms...every manufacturer uses different knock sesnor and timing logic....some are dynamic and some arent

In my civic si which is obdii u do not ever rely on the knock sensors to pull timing even though there is a knock sensor for every cylinder..it can not pull timing fast enough they are used for estimation of fuel octane and kind of work like long term fuel trims

And judging by his name he has experience with dsm tuning so alot changes
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: AJP turbo on September 28, 2015, 05:24:34 PM
Wow just read some more snipets of dsmjims post....he said u dont ever get knock during part throttle?!...its actually really easy to get knock there since timing is really advanced and u are in closed loop running at or near stoic meaning very lean at 14:1 or even leaner.

The guy sounds like he knows enough to get in trouble with tuning...he makes some good points but id throw most of what he says out the window
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on September 28, 2015, 05:41:59 PM
60-600 ... millivolts?  Every engine has its' own calibration from the manufacturer, and the threshold will change with RPM & load.


So .6 volts from the knock sensor max?

They are typically 0-5 volts, correct?

Does that .6 seem realistic?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on September 28, 2015, 06:30:22 PM
What I meant was that you are seeing the readings possibly in millivolts, not actual counts of identified knock.  On my Edge, IIRC, I have seen the counts in ForScan rise with RPM, for example, I will check again the next time I get a chance to log.  Let's say the threshold is 1 V or 1000 mV.  Anything over 1000 would then be a knock event and dealt with accordingly by, for example, retarding timing.  The threshold is not static, as engine behavior changes with RPM & load.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on September 28, 2015, 07:12:27 PM
What I meant was that you are seeing the readings possibly in millivolts, not actual counts of identified knock.  On my Edge, IIRC, I have seen the counts in ForScan rise with RPM, for example, I will check again the next time I get a chance to log.  Let's say the threshold is 1 V or 1000 mV.  Anything over 1000 would then be a knock event and dealt with accordingly by, for example, retarding timing.  The threshold is not static, as engine behavior changes with RPM & load.
After further reading, I'm pretty sure that you are correct, it is millivolts.


Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: polskifacet on October 13, 2015, 08:06:50 AM
2013 non-PP AWD PIDS don't work. Everything else seems good! Got the latest csv from first page.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: 66 Galaxie on October 14, 2015, 12:49:23 PM
Forscan lite reads tire pressure on iPhone. Pids are selected in the body control module. This works on my
'14 Flex EB


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: tommyboy on June 02, 2016, 08:03:58 AM
Ecoboostsho, thank you for this great work! I'm really appreciate your work and all information is very useful.
I want to share my experience how I've dealt with analyzing serial port activity in a system. It was big problem but i found good solution - http://www.eltima.com/products/serial-port-monitor/. (http://www.eltima.com/products/serial-port-monitor/.)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on June 20, 2016, 10:57:38 PM
Anybody unable to read IAT2 ?

I'm pretty sure it worked in the 2013, but I can't get it to work in the 2015.

I bulk imported and everything else works perfectly.
Title: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: renospace on August 16, 2016, 12:20:58 PM
This page is fantastic! Thanks to everyone that has contributed. I used the 13+ Taurus tire pressure pid on my '11 F150 EB and it works great!!

Edit! Maybe it isn't   working so well. I was showing a few pounds Low in a couple tires. I pumped them each up to 39lbs. Got in the truck , started up and when torque came on, it showed them all with 1/2lb of each other, right around 39 each. I drive for a bit, turned off the truck, and when I got going again, they all went back to the value before I pumped them up. Any thoughts?


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: renospace on August 17, 2016, 10:07:01 AM
Anyone have any luck with the battery current pid?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on August 17, 2016, 10:14:52 AM
Anyone have any luck with the battery current pid?
As in knowing amperage if the alternator is charging or just current voltage?

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: renospace on August 17, 2016, 11:14:05 AM
Anyone have any luck with the battery current pid?
As in knowing amperage if the alternator is charging or just current voltage?

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Sorry, i should've included the post I was referring. It's the Battery Current PID. Shows amperage.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Zorin on September 16, 2016, 03:16:01 PM
Ok, so, I'm a little lost, I purchased the bluetooth version of OBDIIlink MX, have downloaded both Torque and OBDlink (both for Android)

1. Which app am I suppose to use (Torque, OBDlink)
2. Depending on which app, where do I get the PIDS file, i.e. the csv file from first page?
3. Do I load the file to my Android phone?
4. Is there a file to download of a preset dashboard and what app is it for?
5. Do I drink beer while installing said files?
6. Why do elephants have big ears?
7. Should I just Google the How-To?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on September 16, 2016, 04:09:19 PM
CSV is torque open torque then setting then extended pids  you need to have a file explorer that can view hidden files open extended pids then close it just makes a file so that when you find .torque there will be a folder called extended pids put the CSV in there then go back to torque and open the extended pids then you are able to use them In torque dashboard be the ones with a * in front

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on September 16, 2016, 04:16:19 PM
If you go thru the datalog section you will find one for obdlink also which is really good also there is a nice dash that you just move to the home of the SD card area

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on September 16, 2016, 06:01:30 PM
Torque .dash will go in the dashboard folder best looking one I've seen is the tripledial.dash but for me some pids didn't work so I tried just  using another screen to get things close to the same.
You can load the .dash by going to torque/dashboard/settings/layout settings/ import layout

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Zorin on September 17, 2016, 11:54:09 AM
OK, I'll give it a go today and get back to you.

Thanks,
Z
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Zorin on September 17, 2016, 01:11:28 PM
CSV is torque open torque then setting then extended pids  you need to have a file explorer that can view hidden files open extended pids then close it just makes a file so that when you find .torque there will be a folder called extended pids put the CSV in there then go back to torque and open the extended pids then you are able to use them In torque dashboard be the ones with a * in front

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Ok, still lost...

The only folder I have on my Android is "torquelogs".  Do I make a folder in there called extended pids and drop the .csv file in there?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on September 17, 2016, 01:21:36 PM
.torque is a hidden file so either es file explorer goto setting and view hidden files or on Windows need to goto folder options and view hidden files.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estrongs.android.pop
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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Zorin on September 17, 2016, 01:39:44 PM
.torque is a hidden file so either es file explorer goto setting and view hidden files or on Windows need to goto folder options and view hidden files.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.estrongs.android.pop
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I have Windows already setup to show hidden files, but it does show on either the SD card or the main phone folder.  The only folder I see is in the main phone folder called "torqueLogs".  I downloaded ES File Explorer to the phone, but it doesn't show up there either, any ideas?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on September 17, 2016, 01:42:02 PM
Same main location as your download folder and pictures?

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Zorin on September 17, 2016, 01:49:04 PM
Same main location as your download folder and pictures?

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Downloads and the picture folder "DCIM folder" are on my SD Card. The .torque folder is still not showing up?  This really shouldn't be this difficult, but I guess it's just me....
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Zorin on September 17, 2016, 01:55:01 PM
Ok, I made an adjustment to the ES File settings and now .torque shows up...I figured out how to add the file, i just used windows to drop it in the sdcard folder then used ES File Explorer to copy and paste it to the extpids folder...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on September 17, 2016, 02:19:46 PM
Ext pids folder should be in . torque

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on September 25, 2016, 10:02:58 AM
Is there a pid for oil temp and pressure?

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Should of did some more reading that's odd there is no sensor?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on September 25, 2016, 10:04:18 AM
No unfortunately not because the car has neither of those sensors so there is nothing to monitor. It does have a pressure switch but that's obviously on/off pressure/no pressure

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on September 25, 2016, 10:13:15 AM
If only it werr easy to integrate third party equipment into the monitoring system :)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on September 25, 2016, 10:15:44 AM
If only it werr easy to integrate third party equipment into the monitoring system :)
Agreed!

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: AdelaideKuga on December 08, 2016, 04:39:17 PM
Hi all

Am a new member and have read through all pages of this thread and can get most PIDS working on my 2.0 turbo Ford Kuga (escape) except for the one PID i really want, the IA2 (manifold temp sensor. I have water meth kit installed and would like this enabled so I can read before after temps when injecting etc....

I found 2203CA and formula A or (A-40) but neither work for me. Is there any other formula, code, obd that is known for 2015 ecoboost engine?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on December 08, 2016, 04:52:53 PM
Does that pid work on your X4?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: AdelaideKuga on December 08, 2016, 05:29:55 PM
Does that pid work on your X4?

No it doesn't show up as a PID to data log on my acts x4 tuner. If it did I would have logged it while running wireshark and then checked the tcp traffic for the codes etc....

Saw someone else on the forum posted they couldn't get IAT2 working either,

Also wondering if it is a physical error, do you know where to find this sensor on the manifold as it may be loose or dirty and I have some more MAF spray that might clean it etc....?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on December 08, 2016, 08:53:34 PM
Have you tried ForScan? If you can't find something to read the PiD it will be near impossible to reverse engineer the PID with a sniffer.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on December 08, 2016, 09:34:08 PM
Did you do a bulk import of the complete file or did you add manually? When I did the bulk import on my 2015 IAT2 didn't work, it broke some formulas but when I entered it manually it worked.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: AdelaideKuga on December 09, 2016, 12:32:51 AM
Added manually as I only wanted a few PIDs inc charge air and transmission temp which works, but IAT2 aargh!

Will check out forscan
Keep the ideas coming.....
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: AdelaideKuga on December 10, 2016, 12:43:31 AM
Just a quick update, plugged in my x4 hand held tuner and fired up livewire software from SCT and loaded up all the PiDS inc IAT2 but when I started data logging nothing was picked up, safe to say that my ecu strategy prob doesnt use the IAT2 setting and therefore not able to be read.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: AdelaideKuga on December 11, 2016, 03:06:57 PM
I had a thought, is there a possibility the IAT2 reading could be sitting on MS-CAN bus instead of HS-CAN bus? I only have obdlink LX reader and kicking myself I don't have an MX version.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on December 11, 2016, 03:13:31 PM
Doubtful but anything is possible I suppose. IAT2 is pretty important to the ECU I believe so I don't think Ford would put it on MS-CAN. Is there a PID called MCT instead? (Manifold Charge Temp)

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: AdelaideKuga on December 12, 2016, 03:15:46 AM
Thanks for feedback. No Manifold Charge Temp MCT either. Very strange and as there aren't many modded Kuga/Escape 2.0 turbos out there with WMI and wanting to do the same as I have and want to achieve, it really is a suck it and see type approach. Anyway will order an OBDLINK MX module to see how it goes, if anything I'll be able to play Focccus and Forscan with this MX module to change other settings so the money wont be wasted. I'll report back in the new year how I go, meanwhile I'll keep checking this post.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on December 12, 2016, 05:27:43 AM
Contact Forscan, maybe they haven't implemented it yet, and you could be the "guinea pig" to get this established.  They don't have any trans parameters for my 2010 Fusion Sport, so it doesn't have to be the newest model that hasn't been fleshed out.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on December 21, 2016, 11:31:16 AM
Does anyone have pid for torque source?
 I can view it in forscan....

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on December 21, 2016, 01:25:19 PM
Torque Control Requested (Used during shifting to reduce torque...aka torque management.)
PID 2203AF  returns 0 with car off.

Equation: (256*A)+B

Not sure if this really works or not as I never really played with it but give it a shot...
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: AJP turbo on December 21, 2016, 02:11:01 PM
Torque Control Requested (Used during shifting to reduce torque...aka torque management.)
PID 2203AF  returns 0 with car off.

Equation: (256*A)+B

Not sure if this really works or not as I never really played with it but give it a shot...

That is only one mode of torque control...the one you are talking of is torque source 7 when logging tq source....there are probably 30 different kind of torque reduction as displayed by tq source
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on December 21, 2016, 02:40:30 PM
Torque Control Requested (Used during shifting to reduce torque...aka torque management.)
PID 2203AF  returns 0 with car off.

Equation: (256*A)+B

Not sure if this really works or not as I never really played with it but give it a shot...

That is only one mode of torque control...the one you are talking of is torque source 7 when logging tq source....there are probably 30 different kind of torque reduction as displayed by tq source
Gotcha - I'd have to break out FORSCAN and do some investigating. I found that one ages ago when I was poking around.  I will try and do that if I have time.  The downside is you are only ever going to get the value out of torque and would need to keep the handy reference table available to correlate the actual source but at least it's a start.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on December 21, 2016, 03:14:55 PM
Thank you ! That's fine trying to get all my logging in torque I should of bought sctx4 instead of a piggy back.
Is there a way I can find the pids in forscan without a sniffer?

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on December 23, 2016, 05:53:37 AM
Thank you ! That's fine trying to get all my logging in torque I should of bought sctx4 instead of a piggy back.
Is there a way I can find the pids in forscan without a sniffer?

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Not that I am aware of unfortunately.

I did do sone scanning last night and the PID is definitely 2203AF but the equation is just A.

It returns a variety of values that correspond to the source I believe they will match the numbers over in the other thread on AWD shutoff...So 0 is "none requested" and 1 is "Trans Torque" 2 is speed limiter, 3 is rev limiter, etc...

I still need to drive the car and verify some of those variables...But at least you'd have an idea of what is requesting the torque reduction.



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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on January 14, 2017, 09:14:55 PM
What is the pid for Tq_Source source of torque off?

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on January 15, 2017, 05:40:22 AM
What is the pid for Tq_Source source of torque off?

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I'm not clear what you are asking? Sorry.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on January 15, 2017, 07:55:44 AM
I was given this and just want to make sure I have why tourqu source would shutdown


Perhaps "Torque Source"?

I found this on the SVT Performance forum. Perhaps AJP Turbo can comment on the accuracy of these for other Fords. 4 matches up with a rev limiter issue I was having, so maybe it's the same for all Fords??

TQ_SOURCE Identifies the source of the torque reduction requestor

0 No Torque Reduction Requested (Torque Control Off)
1 Torque truncation, transmission
2 Traction Control
3 Vehicle Speed Limiter
4 Engine Speed Limiter
5 Tip-in shock Control
6 Tip-out Decel Control
7 Torque Shift Modulation, transmission
8 Engine Oil Temperature Control
9 Fail Safe Cooling Control
11 Turbo Charger
12 Passive Anti Theft system (PATS)
13 Tip in Torque Control

TQ_SOURCE Source of torque reduction:

0 Driver Demand
1 Transmission torque truncation
2 Traction Control
3 Vehicle Speed Limiting
4 Engine Speed Limiting
5 Tipin rate limiting
6 Tipout torque
7 Transmission Shift Modulation
8 Engine Oil Over temperature
9 Target N
10 Not Used
11 ETC FMEM - RPM Guard
12 PATS
13 OSCMOD



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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on January 15, 2017, 07:57:50 AM
Also when I put the car in Cruse control the 2203af goes to 14 is that literally saying car is incruise or something else

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on January 15, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
I unfortunately don't have a table of values beyond what was shared here so I can't speculate. If you have Forscan why not run that. It has the values in it already? At least while you are diagnosing an issue.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on January 16, 2017, 01:16:08 AM
Yea trying to get a log in torque but forscan may be better just takes longer to set up before I can start sliding in the snow

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: RAYJAY on February 05, 2017, 02:50:10 AM
question on the pid's  i know i can read the tps  sensor on our 2013 and up  has anyone been able to read the 2010's have a f250 also would like to use torque for that reading also
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on February 06, 2017, 11:32:21 AM
Do the 2010 have a tps?

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on February 06, 2017, 12:13:17 PM
Yea trying to get a log in torque but forscan may be better just takes longer to set up before I can start sliding in the snow
Save your Forscan profiles.  Reload as needed.  Easy Peasy.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: FoMoCoSHO on February 06, 2017, 09:09:48 PM
Yea trying to get a log in torque but forscan may be better just takes longer to set up before I can start sliding in the snow

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Torque is too slow for proper logging....

You need an x4!

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: pmezo33 on September 23, 2017, 05:23:03 PM
Anyone know if there's a way to add a pid for the o2 sensors?  I'm only getting the downstream sensors, but not the upstreams.  Is there a way to add this?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on February 08, 2018, 10:36:07 AM
Has anyone done the work to see if there is a pid for the humidity sensor and internal temp sensor?
Also codes for controlling heated/cooled seats heated steering wheel and all the other climate controls?

I'd love to be able to get rid of sync and just install a Android tablet or pioneer nex deck.


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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on March 07, 2018, 07:01:28 PM
Do our vehicles possibly have a exhaust back pressure sensor? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180308/d1e9fa4479f3a588ebe49273133e079e.jpg)

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: rmkilc on July 11, 2018, 02:27:26 PM
In OP's CSV file with PIDs, the equation for "Bypass Valve Commanded Open" should be changed from A/256 to A/255. This will give a full value of 1 instead of 0.99609375 when the valve is open, as the hex value is FF (255) when the valve is open.

FF = 255
255/256 = 0.99609375
255/255 = 1

I know Torque will round 0.99609375 to 1 when there are no decimal places shown, but I found this issue when trying to implement the following:

If you want Torque to say Open and Closed instead of 1 and 0, use this equation:
Lookup((A/255)::0='Closed':1='Open')
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 12, 2018, 06:07:43 AM
In OP's CSV file with PIDs, the equation for "Bypass Valve Commanded Open" should be changed from A/256 to A/255. This will give a full value of 1 instead of 0.99609375 when the valve is open, as the hex value is FF (255) when the valve is open.

FF = 255
255/256 = 0.99609375
255/255 = 1

I know Torque will round 0.99609375 to 1 when there are no decimal places shown, but I found this issue when trying to implement the following:

If you want Torque to say Open and Closed instead of 1 and 0, use this equation:
Lookup((A/255)::0='Closed':1='Open')
Good catch!  I fixed the file.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on July 12, 2018, 06:47:02 AM
Thank you both :)
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gray Brick on July 29, 2018, 12:53:28 AM
I have been using the TPMS sensor PIDs for Torque for two years now.
Tablet crapped out... all other PID work on new tablet but these.

What gives?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on July 29, 2018, 04:51:25 AM
I have been using the TPMS sensor PIDs for Torque for two years now.
Tablet crapped out... all other PID work on new tablet but these.

What gives?
What year is your flex again? (I'm on Tapatalk and can't see signatures). What is the module address you are accessing? (Header in Torque pro I believe?) If 2013+ then it should be set to 726.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SHOdded on July 29, 2018, 07:29:54 AM
2013 flex
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on December 21, 2018, 07:40:07 AM
I have been using the TPMS sensor PIDs for Torque for two years now.
Tablet crapped out... all other PID work on new tablet but these.

What gives?
What year is your flex again? (I'm on Tapatalk and can't see signatures). What is the module address you are accessing? (Header in Torque pro I believe?) If 2013+ then it should be set to 726.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: jman on May 22, 2019, 08:40:33 AM
I was recently looking for a way to detect knock and was pointed to this awesome thread. I followed the instructions and installed four of the custom PID's. Most don't work and the AWD one throws a constant value. What am I missing?
I have not read all 51 pages of this thread, do these work on the 2010 SHO?

Attached are pics of what I am seeing and what I get when I "test" the Knock PID.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on May 22, 2019, 08:47:44 AM
I was recently looking for a way to detect knock and was pointed to this awesome thread. I followed the instructions and installed four of the custom PID's. Most don't work and the AWD one throws a constant value. What am I missing?
I have not read all 51 pages of this thread, do these work on the 2010 SHO?

Attached are pics of what I am seeing and what I get when I "test" the Knock PID.
It should definitely work on a 2010 Taurus. I'm assuming you can get the standard gauges (say like (RPM) to respond? I just want to make sure your adapter is actually talking to the car properly.  Also can you send a screenshot of your custom pid screen in Torque? Just close that error message window for starters.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: jman on May 22, 2019, 09:10:28 AM
All built-in Torque Real Time Monitoring gauges work.

The AWD one throws a number, but why is it always at 50.4?

Attached is a pic of the Knock PID.

Thanks !
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: SM105K on May 22, 2019, 09:22:28 AM
Jman,

adjust your minimum value to -7.0

adjust your maximum value to 7.0

make sure your scale factor is x1

then test
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: Gjkrisa on May 22, 2019, 10:17:30 AM
All built-in Torque Real Time Monitoring gauges work.

The AWD one throws a number, but why is it always at 50.4?

Attached is a pic of the Knock PID.

Thanks !
I see that's for knock and your main issue was with awd I believe just making sure your scale factor is 1x should fix the issue that's how mine is and works

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on May 22, 2019, 10:55:06 AM
All built-in Torque Real Time Monitoring gauges work.

The AWD one throws a number, but why is it always at 50.4?

Attached is a pic of the Knock PID.

Thanks !
If the previous suggestions don't work just delete your equation and temporarily put in an A for your equation. You should at least get a value back that is non scaled. That will help narrow down the problem for me...

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: jman on May 22, 2019, 11:15:15 AM
I changed the scale limits and verified that all PID's are set at x1. Still no luck.
I'll try deleting the equation and report back,

Here are some additional pics and also the Bluetooth thingy I am using. As you can see, built-in Torque ones do work.

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: jman on May 22, 2019, 05:02:07 PM
If the previous suggestions don't work just delete your equation and temporarily put in an A for your equation. You should at least get a value back that is non scaled. That will help narrow down the problem for me...

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Replaced the Knock equation with an A, same response when tested: NO DATA.

Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on May 22, 2019, 05:05:54 PM
If the previous suggestions don't work just delete your equation and temporarily put in an A for your equation. You should at least get a value back that is non scaled. That will help narrow down the problem for me...

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Replaced the Knock equation with an A, same response when tested: NO DATA.
Okay well then something isn't communicating with the car properly or the pid is wrong somehow for your car. It looks like it but that is "zero" in the 2203EC correct? It's been a long time since I messed with torque pro (I use obdlink) so I don't think it matters but try a capital EC just for fun. Also what is in your header field?

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: jman on May 22, 2019, 05:12:42 PM
Yes, two, two, zero, three.
I've tried uppercase before, it auto turns back to lower case.
Header is blank.
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on May 22, 2019, 05:31:00 PM
Yes, two, two, zero, three.
I've tried uppercase before, it auto turns back to lower case.
Header is blank.
Okay just checking. Try using AUTO in the header. If that doesn't work I'm stumped unfortunately. I would try a different app just to see if it's something weird in your Installation of torque.

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Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: jman on May 23, 2019, 07:12:50 AM
Neither the "A" or the "auto" fixed it. :(
Weird thing is that the AWD does return a value (steady 50.4) but all others don't.

When I was playing with Forscan I read that the 2010 doesn't have a BCM (or cannot be accessed), could this be why?
Title: Re: Torque PIDs...Take 2
Post by: ecoboostsho on May 23, 2019, 07:47:24 AM
Neither the "A" or the "auto" fixed it. :(
Weird thing is that the AWD does return a value (steady 50.4) but all others don't.

When I was playing with Forscan I read that the 2010 doesn't have a BCM (or cannot be accessed), could this be why?
Well on the 2010-12 there is a smart junction box (SJB) on the MSCAN bus and not a BCM on the HSCAN bus.  First your adapter has to have the ability to speak MSCAN (medium speed CAN bus) and second Torque can't (to my knowledge) access both the MSCAN bus and HSCAN bus at the same time.  That said if I recall correctly the AWD gauge is actually reading the AWD module (not a SJB or BCM) and that is why the header needs to be "761" for that gauge.