I wanted to know what kind of performance you'd be likely to see with the combo of the Gearhead Intercooler, Livernoise HPFP, and ATP upgraded turbos. Is there currently anyone running this combo? I'm curious about how quick this setup would be, while still maintaining the easy-peasy nature of not running a methanol setup or mixing e85. Like how quick can you realistically make one of our cars as a pure 93 octane, and no worries, daily driver?
Pretty sure Matt from Gearhead has this setup on his car. I would look at the dyno sheet SBS posted to his thread about the new turbos he just received. I am sure Matt will chime in.
There's 2 guys up here in the denver area running mods very similar to that.
Gearhead gen 2 turbos, xdi upgraded hpfp, E30+ race gas, downpipes, full exhaust and other supporting mods.
this is the dyno sheet for one of the cars.
keep in mind this is @ 5500ft altitude. i know both guys running that setup ran 11.8-11.9 @ ~6500 da!
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Thanks for the graph, that is helpful for sure. Running 11s at that altitude is pretty ridiculous, lol. I'd be interested to see what kind of numbers they run on pure 93 octane, since you mentioned they were using E30. Do you know if they have the upgraded intercoolers from Gearhead?
Quote from: Agentlongwood on April 12, 2019, 09:04:00 AM
Thanks for the graph, that is helpful for sure. Running 11s at that altitude is pretty ridiculous, lol. I'd be interested to see what kind of numbers they run on pure 93 octane, since you mentioned they were using E30. Do you know if they have the upgraded intercoolers from Gearhead?
at the time of those runs and dyno the IC wasn't released yet. they do have the upgrade now. if you're on FB the guys name is rich mcgrath. he's heading down to texas this week to get dyno tuned by gearhead and hopefully make a record breaking track pass
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Quote from: Agentlongwood on April 12, 2019, 09:04:00 AM
Thanks for the graph, that is helpful for sure. Running 11s at that altitude is pretty ridiculous, lol. I'd be interested to see what kind of numbers they run on pure 93 octane, since you mentioned they were using E30. Do you know if they have the upgraded intercoolers from Gearhead?
Based on NUMEROUS conversation with LMS and GH, on just 93 its looking like around 420awhp to the wheels before you run out of octane.
Hey, 420 to the tires sounds pretty respectable. That translates to what like middle or low 12s in the quarter? I got nothing against e blends or methanol. Just curious about the upper limits of how fast you can get in true daily driver trim. For example, my car has run 13.0. I have no doubt that Brad could tune it to run solidly in the 12s if I wanted to try some e30. But I'm not really worried about that. I just want it to be as quick as possible in the exact setup that I drive it around in. Spare tire in the trunk, car-seat in the back, 93 octane. If turbos, IC, and HPFP can get you to about 420awhp, and no further, then that's good to know.
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Hey, 420 to the tires sounds pretty respectable. That translates to what like middle or low 12s in the quarter? I got nothing against e blends or methanol. Just curious about the upper limits of how fast you can get in true daily driver trim. For example, my car has run 13.0. I have no doubt that Brad could tune it to run solidly in the 12s if I wanted to try some e30. But I'm not really worried about that. I just want it to be as quick as possible in the exact setup that I drive it around in. Spare tire in the trunk, car-seat in the back, 93 octane. If turbos, IC, and HPFP can get you to about 420awhp, and no further, then that's good to know.
Brad can tune you straight into the 12's with E30 and two sub performing turbos.....My SHO is proof.
420 hp on pump isn't a bad number. I would just wouldn't be happy I spent all this coin and that's it. I have no doubt my car without worn out turbos would put close to that if I could get the boost up on just the E30 tune. It would also save me 4K.
However, if I am going to drop said money on turbos, HPFP, and DP's, we are going head hunting. 500/500 would be the absolute minimum I would expect out of the set up.
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However, if I am going to drop said money on turbos, HPFP, and DP's, we are going head hunting.
Well yeah, 100% agree. With that setup, you'd be obligated to give ethanol a try, just to satisfy curiosity, lol. I'd give it a try as well. But I certainly wouldn't be running e30 on every fill up, on the car that I drive to work every day. That sounds like a nightmare. That's why my curiosity is around how fast you can reasonably get when it's set up exactly the way that you drive to work every day.
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However, if I am going to drop said money on turbos, HPFP, and DP's, we are going head hunting.
Well yeah, 100% agree. With that setup, you'd be obligated to give ethanol a try, just to satisfy curiosity, lol. I'd give it a try as well. But I certainly wouldn't be running e30 on every fill up, on the car that I drive to work every day. That sounds like a nightmare. That's why my curiosity is around how fast you can reasonably get when it's set up exactly the way that you drive to work every day.
Do you have E85 readily available? Mixing E30 takes about three mins more then just a regular fill up. I only have like six gas stations in the Phoenix Metro area that carry E54 out of the pump. I don't daily my SHO, so E30 is perfect for me and why I willing to put it on the edge.
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Quote from: SM105K on April 12, 2019, 02:32:45 PM
However, if I am going to drop said money on turbos, HPFP, and DP's, we are going head hunting.
Well yeah, 100% agree. With that setup, you'd be obligated to give ethanol a try, just to satisfy curiosity, lol. I'd give it a try as well. But I certainly wouldn't be running e30 on every fill up, on the car that I drive to work every day. That sounds like a nightmare. That's why my curiosity is around how fast you can reasonably get when it's set up exactly the way that you drive to work every day.
Do you have E85 readily available? Mixing E30 takes about three mins more then just a regular fill up. I only have like six gas stations in the Phoenix Metro area that carry E54 out of the pump. I don't daily my SHO, so E30 is perfect for me and why I willing to put it on the edge.
Nah, E85 is in the general area, but a bit out of the way. Plus this is my only car, so when I go on a road trip I can't rely on E85 being handy at all times. And I'm lazy, lol. I want the car to be fast, but also about as easy to deal with as possible. I don't mind wrenching on it to replace something every now and then. But for day-to-day, I like simplicity. And I'm willing to live with it not being as fast as other folks who are willing to put in that little bit extra.
Upgraded turbos even if you are not pushing 500/500 will help everything last longer. The stockers max out at 500/450... and longevity is severely impacted at that... can't expect maxed out turbos to last long, let alone the additional heat they are producing being that taxed.
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Quote from: Agentlongwood on April 12, 2019, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: SM105K on April 12, 2019, 02:32:45 PM
However, if I am going to drop said money on turbos, HPFP, and DP's, we are going head hunting.
Well yeah, 100% agree. With that setup, you'd be obligated to give ethanol a try, just to satisfy curiosity, lol. I'd give it a try as well. But I certainly wouldn't be running e30 on every fill up, on the car that I drive to work every day. That sounds like a nightmare. That's why my curiosity is around how fast you can reasonably get when it's set up exactly the way that you drive to work every day.
I started doing it , I daily mine and do about 50 miles round trip to and from work. If you got e85 locally available it's easy to mix believe it or not . I've got a calculator that I use after I test the ethanol and your good to go . My MPG combined only went down half a MPG not even a full MPG and the car is night and day faster from my 93 octane tune !
Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 12, 2019, 06:01:50 PM
Upgraded turbos even if you are not pushing 500/500 will help everything last longer. The stockers max out at 500/450... and longevity is severely impacted at that... can't expect maxed out turbos to last long, let alone the additional heat they are producing being that taxed.
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Good point , funny thing is what Matt wants for them upgraded turbos that if the stock ones fail your much better off just getting the upgraded ones because if you went to the dealer to have the stock ones replaced you'd be paying probably almost as much if not more lol
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Quote from: StealBlueSHO on April 12, 2019, 06:01:50 PM
Upgraded turbos even if you are not pushing 500/500 will help everything last longer. The stockers max out at 500/450... and longevity is severely impacted at that... can't expect maxed out turbos to last long, let alone the additional heat they are producing being that taxed.
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Good point , funny thing is what Matt wants for them upgraded turbos that if the stock ones fail your much better off just getting the upgraded ones because if you went to the dealer to have the stock ones replaced you'd be paying probably almost as much if not more lol
Matt's turbos are cheaper than the ATPs. But it really comes down to install costs.
Matt's are $2K plus the hardware which is another $120... so $2,120 for GH turbos plus install.
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I really appreciate the info yall. Having a real tough time with things between the wife and I. May end up divorced. So I'm totally using you guys as my guides to drown my sorrows in go-fast car parts, should things go poorly at home. I Figure that just upgrading these kind parts on the MKS is a lot more financially responsible than running out and getting a Chevy SS or something silly, lol.
:o :hug: Sorry to hear, hoping this is just a passing storm ...
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Quote from: SM105K on April 12, 2019, 02:32:45 PM
However, if I am going to drop said money on turbos, HPFP, and DP's, we are going head hunting.
Well yeah, 100% agree. With that setup, you'd be obligated to give ethanol a try, just to satisfy curiosity, lol. I'd give it a try as well. But I certainly wouldn't be running e30 on every fill up, on the car that I drive to work every day. That sounds like a nightmare. That's why my curiosity is around how fast you can reasonably get when it's set up exactly the way that you drive to work every day.
Do you have E85 readily available? Mixing E30 takes about three mins more then just a regular fill up. I only have like six gas stations in the Phoenix Metro area that carry E54 out of the pump. I don't daily my SHO, so E30 is perfect for me and why I willing to put it on the edge.
Nah, E85 is in the general area, but a bit out of the way. Plus this is my only car, so when I go on a road trip I can't rely on E85 being handy at all times. And I'm lazy, lol. I want the car to be fast, but also about as easy to deal with as possible. I don't mind wrenching on it to replace something every now and then. But for day-to-day, I like simplicity. And I'm willing to live with it not being as fast as other folks who are willing to put in that little bit extra.
See this is the beauty of a E30 tune and working with Brad. If want the power and reliability go E30. If you can't get E30 in the area you are in...change the tune back to the 93 octane tune. Mixing is easy and the power without knock is worth every penny.
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Quote from: SM105K on April 12, 2019, 04:01:50 PM
Quote from: Agentlongwood on April 12, 2019, 03:53:31 PM
Quote from: SM105K on April 12, 2019, 02:32:45 PM
However, if I am going to drop said money on turbos, HPFP, and DP's, we are going head hunting.
Well yeah, 100% agree. With that setup, you'd be obligated to give ethanol a try, just to satisfy curiosity, lol. I'd give it a try as well. But I certainly wouldn't be running e30 on every fill up, on the car that I drive to work every day. That sounds like a nightmare. That's why my curiosity is around how fast you can reasonably get when it's set up exactly the way that you drive to work every day.
Do you have E85 readily available? Mixing E30 takes about three mins more then just a regular fill up. I only have like six gas stations in the Phoenix Metro area that carry E54 out of the pump. I don't daily my SHO, so E30 is perfect for me and why I willing to put it on the edge.
Nah, E85 is in the general area, but a bit out of the way. Plus this is my only car, so when I go on a road trip I can't rely on E85 being handy at all times. And I'm lazy, lol. I want the car to be fast, but also about as easy to deal with as possible. I don't mind wrenching on it to replace something every now and then. But for day-to-day, I like simplicity. And I'm willing to live with it not being as fast as other folks who are willing to put in that little bit extra.
See this is the beauty of a E30 tune and working with Brad. If want the power and reliability go E30. If you can't get E30 in the area you are in...change the tune back to the 93 octane tune. Mixing is easy and the power without knock is worth every penny.
Any tuner can get you E30, 93, 91 tunes that you can swap out as needed...
Or with Gearhead it's just an E30 tune and Auto Octane tune.
With 93 and the auto octane tune with his bigger turbos you are looking at around 480awtq/460awhp which are great numbers.
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Quote from: Agentlongwood on April 15, 2019, 09:20:57 AM
I really appreciate the info yall. Having a real tough time with things between the wife and I. May end up divorced. So I'm totally using you guys as my guides to drown my sorrows in go-fast car parts, should things go poorly at home. I Figure that just upgrading these kind parts on the MKS is a lot more financially responsible than running out and getting a Chevy SS or something silly, lol.
Anytime man. My wife and I are going through a real tough time too, and we may also end up divorced. I was going crazy on the SHO, but since I am down 60% of what used to be total take home income I have had to curb my spending. Since the MKS is your daily, I would hold off going bonkers on it. You knock out a trans, that is a minimum 4k, ask me how I know.
I personally would get another cheaper daily if you want to keep modifying the MKS. A used Honda Accord ect are great. Cheap to purchase, cheap to operate, cheap to insure. I have a 2013 Focus ST. Completely stock, minus the FRP calibration. Averaging 30.3 miles combined. It is a riot to drive and I really like it. The SHO is driven sparingly, and living like a garage queen.
:o :o :o Hope things bet better for you, Mike, in all aspects. D***, there seems to be a fever going around!
Quote from: SHOdded on April 15, 2019, 10:27:34 AM
:o :o :o Hope things bet better for you, Mike, in all aspects. D***, there seems to be a fever going around!
It is what it is. I am glad that I set myself to be in a position, even losing so much income, that I am alive and well. I have the house, the dog, and the SHO. Yes things get tight, but nothing that can't be adjusted.
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:o :o :o Hope things bet better for you, Mike, in all aspects. D***, there seems to be a fever going around!
It is what it is. I am glad that I set myself to be in a position, even losing so much income, that I am alive and well. I have the house, the dog, and the SHO. Yes things get tight, but nothing that can't be adjusted.
Sounds like a dream to me, the dog and SHO will never go through your phone, give you a ton of crap as soon as you walk through the door after a long day, they don't criticize you, judge you and give you attitude for no reason. Whatever you put in you get back 10 fold. Always there for you no matter what. ...the list goes on and on
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:o :o :o Hope things bet better for you, Mike, in all aspects. D***, there seems to be a fever going around!
It is what it is. I am glad that I set myself to be in a position, even losing so much income, that I am alive and well. I have the house, the dog, and the SHO. Yes things get tight, but nothing that can't be adjusted.
Sounds like a dream to me, the dog and SHO will never go through your phone, give you a ton of crap as soon as you walk through the door after a long day, they don't criticize you, judge you and give you attitude for no reason. Whatever you put in you get back 10 fold. Always there for you no matter what. ...the list goes on and on
LOLOL So True !!!
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Quote from: SHOdded on April 15, 2019, 10:27:34 AM
:o :o :o Hope things bet better for you, Mike, in all aspects. D***, there seems to be a fever going around!
It is what it is. I am glad that I set myself to be in a position, even losing so much income, that I am alive and well. I have the house, the dog, and the SHO. Yes things get tight, but nothing that can't be adjusted.
Sounds like a dream to me, the dog and SHO will never go through your phone, give you a ton of crap as soon as you walk through the door after a long day, they don't criticize you, judge you and give you attitude for no reason. Whatever you put in you get back 10 fold. Always there for you no matter what. ...the list goes on and on
I am special I guess. I truly love my wife and I hope we can reconcile. There are outside contributing factors (infidelity isn't one) to why we are in the position we are in. Time heals all I guess.
Quote from: SM105K on April 16, 2019, 09:25:37 AM
I am special I guess. I truly love my wife and I hope we can reconcile. There are outside contributing factors (infidelity isn't one) to why we are in the position we are in. Time heals all I guess.
That's essentially the exact position we're in. Keeping my fingers crossed for you too dude.
Quote from: Agentlongwood on April 16, 2019, 09:35:39 AM
Quote from: SM105K on April 16, 2019, 09:25:37 AM
I am special I guess. I truly love my wife and I hope we can reconcile. There are outside contributing factors (infidelity isn't one) to why we are in the position we are in. Time heals all I guess.
That's essentially the exact position we're in. Keeping my fingers crossed for you too dude.
You as well brother, I know how you feel. Hopefully both of our ships can be righted.
My concerns going that deep in are how the rest of the drivetrain will enjoy that much torque. lol
Currently running the Firestorm 40 HPFP, GH Intercooler, misc bolt ons, and GH Gen3 turbos will arrive next Wednesday. Pending no other delays, I'm expecting to have everything broken in, running e30, drag and dyno tested by the second week of July. Stay tuned! Thinking with some actual data logging i should squash the Olson mks "records".. ;)