What do you consider fast for a street car? 13 second car? 12.5 second car? 12 second? Faster? Or do you measure in 0-60 on the street?
Curious people's opinion?
Anything that kicks me back in my feet enough for me to question he driver's abilities. I really think anything faster that a 13 second quarter mile is kicking it pretty dang fast
Anything 11 sec quarter mile or faster....
Such a loaded question!
I'd say 11's is a fast daily driver, but not a fast street car. There's a LOT of 10 and 9 second Mustangs, Camaros, Vettes, GTR's, Porsche's, Lambo's, even WRX, EVO...heck even Civic's. Those are "street" cars, but not a lot of them are truly driven daily. They are more just nice weather/weekend rides with full working factory equipment.
I'm leaving out the 6 and 7 second "street" cars that run in the actual fastest street car races. There are plenty of 7 second cars that are licensed and have street equipment. However, I wouldn't consider them street cars despite my buddy's claim that his 2,000+ hp fox body is a "street" car. Something about crawling through a funny car cage and loading the intercooler that's replaced the passenger seat with ice makes it not street to me.
Agreed with sholxgt..... and a loaded question indeed.
His reply though? Spot on!
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Ha! I have intentionally left this one open. Like I said, just curious what people think and where they go with it.
I think this also depends greatly on where you live. In my small town, my 12 second Lincoln is faster than 95% of the vehicles. When I visit my parents in South FL, my car is truly slower than most of the trucks headed to the boat ramps with fishing boats. Not to mention the toys they have back at home.
When I went to Palm Beach International Raceway on a test & tune night I had the fastest Lincoln, but it was way slow compared to the sea of Hellcats, Mustangs, Vettes, CTS-V's etc. Most of them were running 10's on good passes. I beat every car I lined up against, but I was in the slow lanes. The fast lanes were still mostly actual street cars and they were flat out moving.
Well, I tell people this. My car isn't fast, but you certainly can't claim to be "Fast" if you can't out run my family sedan. Usually works out. There is always someone faster. Racing outside of a class with rules, and even then to a point, is he with the most money wins. I enjoy my car for what it is. The best thing to me about these cars are the kids that point and laugh at me when I am putting my helmet on. Then 99% of the time, they get taken to gap city. Our cars are quick, but the only one I would consider approaching "FAST" is Mike.
i guess i think of it a little differently. i feel fast is relative to the cars you encounter on the actual street day to day. you can say these cars aren't that fast compared to all the cars that run 11's or faster but even if those cars are street cars they're weekend warriors and very rarely someone's DD.
i can honestly say i've never lost a street race on the SHO. i've had a couple stretches where we were dead even but no one has ever gapped me in the SHO. and if someone in there DD can gap the SHO I can pretty much guarantee they paid at least double what I did for my car or have dumped a lot of money in mods into there car compared to my "tune only" car that i can still take in for warranty work.
so i do consider the SHO to be fast for a literal street car that i can drive 365 days a year. and to boot, i've beat cars at the track that got trailered in.
. . in the eye of the beholder
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Quote from: ClearwaterSHO on November 14, 2017, 06:26:32 AM
Well, I tell people this. My car isn't fast, but you certainly can't claim to be "Fast" if you can't out run my family sedan. Usually works out. There is always someone faster. Racing outside of a class with rules, and even then to a point, is he with the most money wins. I enjoy my car for what it is. The best thing to me about these cars are the kids that point and laugh at me when I am putting my helmet on. Then 99% of the time, they get taken to gap city. Our cars are quick, but the only one I would consider approaching "FAST" is Mike.
Reminds me of me of what I say about guys' height. I am short (5'8"), so if you are shorter than me, you are definitely short!
I consider my tuned SHO quick for a street car. I have only been beaten bad once and that was a C7 Z06 that I was just happy I actually provoked a race from. I think time has to be considered too. A 13 second car ~15 years ago was really scooting, I remember when 300 hp and hitting 60 in the 5's was very impressive outside of the high high end like F1's, F40's, 959's etc. My brother had a '97 Trans Am and that was one fast car in my eyes. Now I talk to him about it, and I would walk him. My younger brother has a 2008 C6 with 450 whp running low 11's, and he was certainly impressed by the SHO launching. He said it wasn't quite the tunnel vision his gives him on drag slicks, but not bad. Now days, naturally aspirated Nissan Maxima's have 300 hp and hit 60 under 6 seconds.
I kinda think the type of car comes into play for me. For example, my wife's Lancer is probably the slowest car I've ever driven, but maybe put a turbo and a tune on it and it would be fast for a Lancer. It would still get its doors blown off by an Evo, but it would be faster than most Lancers around here. I would consider my car fast for a family car, but its really only quick compared to some other street cars. My favorite reaction at the track was from an LS1 Trans Am driver saying "I thought you'd get me off the line, but I didn't expect you to keep pulling on me". I have to agree with sholxgt also.
Quote from: ncole on November 14, 2017, 09:38:09 AM
Quote from: ClearwaterSHO on November 14, 2017, 06:26:32 AM
Well, I tell people this. My car isn't fast, but you certainly can't claim to be "Fast" if you can't out run my family sedan. Usually works out. There is always someone faster. Racing outside of a class with rules, and even then to a point, is he with the most money wins. I enjoy my car for what it is. The best thing to me about these cars are the kids that point and laugh at me when I am putting my helmet on. Then 99% of the time, they get taken to gap city. Our cars are quick, but the only one I would consider approaching "FAST" is Mike.
Reminds me of me of what I say about guys' height. I am short (5'8"), so if you are shorter than me, you are definitely short!
I consider my tuned SHO quick for a street car. I have only been beaten bad once and that was a C7 Z06 that I was just happy I actually provoked a race from. I think time has to be considered too. A 13 second car ~15 years ago was really scooting, I remember when 300 hp and hitting 60 in the 5's was very impressive outside of the high high end like F1's, F40's, 959's etc. My brother had a '97 Trans Am and that was one fast car in my eyes. Now I talk to him about it, and I would walk him. My younger brother has a 2008 C6 with 450 whp running low 11's, and he was certainly impressed by the SHO launching. He said it wasn't quite the tunnel vision his gives him on drag slicks, but not bad. Now days, naturally aspirated Nissan Maxima's have 300 hp and hit 60 under 6 seconds.
oh, our cars aren't slow. I'm just saying we aren't going to a cash days in Memphis or some city that the scene is big in and winning anything. We will get ROFLstomped. I love my SHO. EVEN more so now that AJP has done his magic to the car and the downpipes I just installed. The car is AMAZING. They are FAST for what they are. Dollar for Dollar, I haven't found a platform that responds how our cars do. They are amazing machines. I personally think Mike's SHO would absolutely destroy on the street. Also the person's quote of the fact most of us are DD'ing our cars also brings up a good point. I race two to three times a month. Car has 94k miles on it. I have not had a single issue outside of normal maintenance. I check the to make sure nothing is leaking every 3-5k miles when I do my fluid changes. I go a bit extreme with those. I drain fill the trans every time I change my oil. I feel it's easier to change some fluid than a transmission. I think in today's world though, FAST is 10.99 for the most part. 12.99 is quick. 13.0 + is average.
I used to think 12's was pretty fast then I got my V and went 10's with minimal mods and DR. Then I wanted 9's, if it weren't for the spray bar coming apart would have ran mid 9's in the high 140's pretty easily. New setup should run mid 8's and I can't wait to get to that level. :)
Hoping to have the Tremor in the 9's in the next year as well, we'll see how that goes. :)
Great points thus far, from EVERYONE.
Has turned into a great thread/conversation thus far.
Enjoying each post. Kudos to all.
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For a true DD, I think a loaded up SHO or similar performing car fits the bill, comfy and mid to low 12s, maybe squeaking into 11s seems like a good compromise.
For a "street car" aka drag stang, etc. that is still semi-street legal id go low 11's/high 10s or better.
I think it also depends on the baseline car you compare to/the baseline version of the same car. ie. a stock sho is a 14 second car, so a modded SHO at 12.5 is a 1.5 second gain in the 1/4 and mostly all in the low end.
A base 03 V6 mustang is somewhere in the 15s stock, that same car in the low 12s is a bit more of an acomplishment and will feel faster compared to stock, even though it may be just as fast as the sho but if you remember the starting point and compare to current it will impact the comparison.
For a daily driver, I think 0-60 is more important than quarter mile. Under 5 seconds is fairly quick. I would consider 4 flat or even 4.2 to be fast. A well tuned SHO can do that and you won't meet many other cars at a stoplight that can beat it.
Quote from: Brucelinc on November 14, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
For a daily driver, I think 0-60 is more important than quarter mile. Under 5 seconds is fairly quick. I would consider 4 flat or even 4.2 to be fast. A well tuned SHO can do that and you won't meet many other cars at a stoplight that can beat it.
That's a solid point. A lot of cars can't keep up with us through the 1/8th. It's around 60 mph that most cars, that are fast, start coming like freight trains. I like the track. I have pretty good R/T's so I beat a lot of cars I shouldn't and I always got N/T (people won't line up if they see my times for some reason). Between solid R/T and the other person spinning after he finally did go, I beat a C7 Z06 in the 1/4 three weeks ago. My best kill yet! Understand though, he was coming, and he was coming by me FAST. He caught me at the finish line but I eeked him out. Like Vin Cheesal says, "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning."
Quote from: Brucelinc on November 14, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
For a daily driver, I think 0-60 is more important than quarter mile. Under 5 seconds is fairly quick. I would consider 4 flat or even 4.2 to be fast. A well tuned SHO can do that and you won't meet many other cars at a stoplight that can beat it.
This one thing I think a lot of people forget. On the street, stop to stop light tends to be most prevalent... I have never on the street run from a stop all the way to 110+ mph... no one wants to go to jail for a light to light run...
On the streets torque is king.. combine that with AWD and you have a stoplight monster. Our SHO's tend to fit that category very well...
Now at a track is different beast...
Quote from: StealBlueSho on November 14, 2017, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Brucelinc on November 14, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
For a daily driver, I think 0-60 is more important than quarter mile. Under 5 seconds is fairly quick. I would consider 4 flat or even 4.2 to be fast. A well tuned SHO can do that and you won't meet many other cars at a stoplight that can beat it.
This one thing I think a lot of people forget. On the street, stop to stop light tends to be most prevalent... I have never on the street run from a stop all the way to 110+ mph... no one wants to go to jail for a light to light run...
On the streets torque is king.. combine that with AWD and you have a stoplight monster. Our SHO's tend to fit that category very well...
Now at a track is different beast...
I can't get people to run me on the street for the most part. It's rare. On the street, I've raced a C5, 370, GTR, Charger R/T, and a Mazda Speed3. That's with me owning the car for multiple years and going out on the weekends to the local spots and looking for a race. Something bout the cars makes people not want to bite. Feel like I need some stickers or something rofl.
Quote from: ClearwaterSHO on November 14, 2017, 12:52:01 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on November 14, 2017, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Brucelinc on November 14, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
For a daily driver, I think 0-60 is more important than quarter mile. Under 5 seconds is fairly quick. I would consider 4 flat or even 4.2 to be fast. A well tuned SHO can do that and you won't meet many other cars at a stoplight that can beat it.
This one thing I think a lot of people forget. On the street, stop to stop light tends to be most prevalent... I have never on the street run from a stop all the way to 110+ mph... no one wants to go to jail for a light to light run...
On the streets torque is king.. combine that with AWD and you have a stoplight monster. Our SHO's tend to fit that category very well...
Now at a track is different beast...
I can't get people to run me on the street for the most part. It's rare. On the street, I've raced a C5, 370, GTR, Charger R/T, and a Mazda Speed3. That's with me owning the car for multiple years and going out on the weekends to the local spots and looking for a race. Something bout the cars makes people not want to bite. Feel like I need some stickers or something rofl.
The SHO is a tricky beast to get people to run, as are the Xsports. Why? Because they or almost identical vehicles (with regards to the body) are used as police vehicles and undercovers. Especially darker colored or 'normal colored' people tend to assume it could be a cop vehicle just from what it is. Ever notice if you come up on people speeding they either slow down as they see you coming, or move over to let you pass, and simultaneously slow down?
Not everyone makes these connections, but a lot of people who are into racing in the less legal locations will take this into account. You rarely see police in a mustang (though I've seen a few), a 'ricer' (yet to see one, except a few drug seizures), or an exotic/high end luxury (BMW, Mercedes,etc) (again seen a few siezures). But most ford cruisers now are either a Taurus or an explorer. It's likely not you but the car.
Quote from: derfdog15 on November 14, 2017, 02:01:57 PM
Quote from: ClearwaterSHO on November 14, 2017, 12:52:01 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on November 14, 2017, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Brucelinc on November 14, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
For a daily driver, I think 0-60 is more important than quarter mile. Under 5 seconds is fairly quick. I would consider 4 flat or even 4.2 to be fast. A well tuned SHO can do that and you won't meet many other cars at a stoplight that can beat it.
This one thing I think a lot of people forget. On the street, stop to stop light tends to be most prevalent... I have never on the street run from a stop all the way to 110+ mph... no one wants to go to jail for a light to light run...
On the streets torque is king.. combine that with AWD and you have a stoplight monster. Our SHO's tend to fit that category very well...
Now at a track is different beast...
I can't get people to run me on the street for the most part. It's rare. On the street, I've raced a C5, 370, GTR, Charger R/T, and a Mazda Speed3. That's with me owning the car for multiple years and going out on the weekends to the local spots and looking for a race. Something bout the cars makes people not want to bite. Feel like I need some stickers or something rofl.
The SHO is a tricky beast to get people to run, as are the Xsports. Why? Because they or almost identical vehicles (with regards to the body) are used as police vehicles and undercovers. Especially darker colored or 'normal colored' people tend to assume it could be a cop vehicle just from what it is. Ever notice if you come up on people speeding they either slow down as they see you coming, or move over to let you pass, and simultaneously slow down?
Not everyone makes these connections, but a lot of people who are into racing in the less legal locations will take this into account. You rarely see police in a mustang (though I've seen a few), a 'ricer' (yet to see one, except a few drug seizures), or an exotic/high end luxury (BMW, Mercedes,etc) (again seen a few siezures). But most ford cruisers now are either a Taurus or an explorer. It's likely not you but the car.
Good Point. I also feel like cops give me a pass more than any other car I have driven. Interestingly, in the town where I work is where Subaru Outbacks are assembled and there are a few Outback cop cars, and the state police has always had a few Camaros and Mustang GT's all stealth like.
Quote from: derfdog15 on November 14, 2017, 02:01:57 PM
Quote from: ClearwaterSHO on November 14, 2017, 12:52:01 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on November 14, 2017, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: Brucelinc on November 14, 2017, 11:31:52 AM
For a daily driver, I think 0-60 is more important than quarter mile. Under 5 seconds is fairly quick. I would consider 4 flat or even 4.2 to be fast. A well tuned SHO can do that and you won't meet many other cars at a stoplight that can beat it.
This one thing I think a lot of people forget. On the street, stop to stop light tends to be most prevalent... I have never on the street run from a stop all the way to 110+ mph... no one wants to go to jail for a light to light run...
On the streets torque is king.. combine that with AWD and you have a stoplight monster. Our SHO's tend to fit that category very well...
Now at a track is different beast...
I can't get people to run me on the street for the most part. It's rare. On the street, I've raced a C5, 370, GTR, Charger R/T, and a Mazda Speed3. That's with me owning the car for multiple years and going out on the weekends to the local spots and looking for a race. Something bout the cars makes people not want to bite. Feel like I need some stickers or something rofl.
The SHO is a tricky beast to get people to run, as are the Xsports. Why? Because they or almost identical vehicles (with regards to the body) are used as police vehicles and undercovers. Especially darker colored or 'normal colored' people tend to assume it could be a cop vehicle just from what it is. Ever notice if you come up on people speeding they either slow down as they see you coming, or move over to let you pass, and simultaneously slow down?
Not everyone makes these connections, but a lot of people who are into racing in the less legal locations will take this into account. You rarely see police in a mustang (though I've seen a few), a 'ricer' (yet to see one, except a few drug seizures), or an exotic/high end luxury (BMW, Mercedes,etc) (again seen a few siezures). But most ford cruisers now are either a Taurus or an explorer. It's likely not you but the car.
Hmmm, appears I should maybe not make it look so stock. I love the sleeper aspect of it, though. I'll get some wheels soon, my ex wife did a number on my stockers with her bad driving =( Maybe some wheels will help.
People often ask if I drive my SHO on duty.
To which I laugh at them, and say..... "C'mon, it's government. Do you really think the politicians would flip for something like this?".
They in turn laugh too, and say "yea, you're right".
What's even more priceless is engaging in a playful, spirited jaunt, then pulling up to the next light, stopping side by side again, only for me to roll my window down and the other driver to peer over, see the clown gear (a.k.a. uniform) then get this "oh $h!t" look on their face until I give them a hearty thumbs up and wish for them to enjoy the remainder of their day.
Simply PRICELESS.
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Quote from: bpd1151 on November 14, 2017, 03:01:14 PM
People often ask if I drive my SHO on duty.
To which I laugh at them, and say..... "C'mon, it's government. Do you really think the politicians would flip for something like this?".
They in turn laugh too, and say "yea, you're right".
What's even more priceless is engaging in a playful, spirited jaunt, then pulling up to the next light, stopping side by side again, only for me to roll my window down and the other driver to peer over, see the clown gear (a.k.a. uniform) then get this "oh $h!t" look on their face until I give them a hearty thumbs up and wish for them to enjoy the remainder of their day.
Simply PRICELESS.
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Yea, pretty sure if you rolled down your window and were in uniform, I'd pee my pants. Lol!!
Quote from: bpd1151 on November 14, 2017, 03:01:14 PM
People often ask if I drive my SHO on duty.
To which I laugh at them, and say..... "C'mon, it's government. Do you really think the politicians would flip for something like this?".
They in turn laugh too, and say "yea, you're right".
What's even more priceless is engaging in a playful, spirited jaunt, then pulling up to the next light, stopping side by side again, only for me to roll my window down and the other driver to peer over, see the clown gear (a.k.a. uniform) then get this "oh $h!t" look on their face until I give them a hearty thumbs up and wish for them to enjoy the remainder of their day.
Simply PRICELESS.
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I wish i could see the footage of their faces ... :)
Quote from: bpd1151 on November 14, 2017, 03:01:14 PM
People often ask if I drive my SHO on duty.
To which I laugh at them, and say..... "C'mon, it's government. Do you really think the politicians would flip for something like this?".
They in turn laugh too, and say "yea, you're right".
What's even more priceless is engaging in a playful, spirited jaunt, then pulling up to the next light, stopping side by side again, only for me to roll my window down and the other driver to peer over, see the clown gear (a.k.a. uniform) then get this "oh $h!t" look on their face until I give them a hearty thumbs up and wish for them to enjoy the remainder of their day.
Simply PRICELESS.
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Replace the Camaro with an SHO... and I see Mike doing this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTM_UaDxaEc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTM_UaDxaEc)
Quote from: StealBlueSho on November 14, 2017, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on November 14, 2017, 03:01:14 PM
People often ask if I drive my SHO on duty.
To which I laugh at them, and say..... "C'mon, it's government. Do you really think the politicians would flip for something like this?".
They in turn laugh too, and say "yea, you're right".
What's even more priceless is engaging in a playful, spirited jaunt, then pulling up to the next light, stopping side by side again, only for me to roll my window down and the other driver to peer over, see the clown gear (a.k.a. uniform) then get this "oh $h!t" look on their face until I give them a hearty thumbs up and wish for them to enjoy the remainder of their day.
Simply PRICELESS.
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Replace the Camaro with an SHO... and I see Mike doing this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTM_UaDxaEc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTM_UaDxaEc)
Rofl, that's a 5th Gen Camaro..... Mike would destroy that thing so hard and probably would have smoked the kid in the Porsche. I bet that car would need a driver mod to be scary. Other than that, I agree. I could see Mike doing that in the SHO. ROFL
All the RWD cars need is ProEFI to help modulate the power, my V at 750WHP on asphalt does 4 second 0-60's
Quote from: StealBlueSho on November 14, 2017, 07:33:37 PMReplace the Camaro with an SHO... and I see Mike doing this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTM_UaDxaEc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTM_UaDxaEc)
Ha! Yea...... I could see doing that. But......
His psgr was kind of cute. I would've rather drag for her, instead of pinks.
Then I'd be laughing at the next intersection as she (willingly) exits douche bag's car, and joyfully hops into mine.
I'd have the bracelets all ready for her that's for sure.
**Wink **Wink
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