Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on September 22, 2017, 08:21:25 AM
Post by: ZSHO on September 22, 2017, 08:21:25 AM
I will start a separate Topic on the subject on hand soon.
I unfortunately have been hearing this short one second rattle upon cold start up which has me a bit concerned.
Today was the second time this has occurred in two months and always have used Redline Full Synthetic and Amsoil signature series full synthetic oil along with the Motorcraft Fl -500s oil filter.
I have always changed my oil religiously at frequent intervals and 3K would be max for a peace of mind.
To be continued, thanks. Z
I unfortunately have been hearing this short one second rattle upon cold start up which has me a bit concerned.
Today was the second time this has occurred in two months and always have used Redline Full Synthetic and Amsoil signature series full synthetic oil along with the Motorcraft Fl -500s oil filter.
I have always changed my oil religiously at frequent intervals and 3K would be max for a peace of mind.
To be continued, thanks. Z
Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 22, 2017, 09:15:46 AM
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 22, 2017, 09:15:46 AM
Hmmmmm it's not the typical one second rattle on start up that happens? I can't remember the name of the part ATM...
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Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: SHOdded on September 22, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
Post by: SHOdded on September 22, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
Ugh. Rattles suck, unless they are meant for babies ...
Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: TopherSho on September 22, 2017, 09:21:20 AM
Post by: TopherSho on September 22, 2017, 09:21:20 AM
Quote from: ZSHO on September 22, 2017, 08:21:25 AM
I will start a separate Topic on the subject on hand soon.
I unfortunately have been hearing this short one second rattle upon cold start up which has me a bit concerned.
Today was the second time this has occurred in two months and always have used Redline Full Synthetic and Amsoil signature series full synthetic oil along with the Motorcraft Fl -500s oil filter.
I have always changed my oil religiously at frequent intervals and 3K would be max for a peace of mind.
To be continued, thanks. Z
have a recording ?
Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: glock-coma on September 22, 2017, 09:21:25 AM
Post by: glock-coma on September 22, 2017, 09:21:25 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on September 22, 2017, 09:15:46 AMtiming chain tensioner?
Hmmmmm it's not the typical one second rattle on start up that happens? I can't remember the name of the part ATM...
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Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 22, 2017, 09:30:20 AM
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 22, 2017, 09:30:20 AM
Quote from: glock-coma on September 22, 2017, 09:21:25 AMQuote from: StealBlueSho on September 22, 2017, 09:15:46 AMtiming chain tensioner?
Hmmmmm it's not the typical one second rattle on start up that happens? I can't remember the name of the part ATM...
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Cam phasers.... it sometimes takes a second for the oil pressure to build. Might want to check your oil level. It appears some cars make more noise than others while the oil moves up into them...
That being said, Z knows his car better than anyone, so if it's a new noise then perhaps there is something else going on. Other culprits of that noise based on forum feed back is the rear turbo.
Some have mentioned the HPFP as well during start up rattling...
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Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on September 22, 2017, 03:05:00 PM
Post by: ZSHO on September 22, 2017, 03:05:00 PM
I appreciate all the replys from ^^^ and only has happened twice in the past few months IIRC!
I noticed that it sounds more like a plastic rattle than a metal sound.
FWIW almost have 2k since my last oil change. Z
I noticed that it sounds more like a plastic rattle than a metal sound.
FWIW almost have 2k since my last oil change. Z
Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: SHOdded on September 22, 2017, 03:48:17 PM
Post by: SHOdded on September 22, 2017, 03:48:17 PM
so MANY plastic parts on this car. bellypan, hose clamps, hpfp cover ... hopefully it is just a fastener at fault, spurred the vibration of an engine at startup. Doesnt sound like a suspension or mount component. Maybe check the direct meth system as well?
Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on September 22, 2017, 04:01:22 PM
Post by: ZSHO on September 22, 2017, 04:01:22 PM
Thanks so much and will just keep my ears and eyes open and just monitor it. Z
Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: Night Hawk on September 22, 2017, 04:34:07 PM
Post by: Night Hawk on September 22, 2017, 04:34:07 PM
I was getting a similar noise when using the motor craft oil filter, switched to Mobil-1, poof gone.
Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 22, 2017, 04:58:35 PM
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 22, 2017, 04:58:35 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on September 22, 2017, 03:05:00 PM
I appreciate all the replys from ^^^ and only has happened twice in the past few months IIRC!
I noticed that it sounds more like a plastic rattle than a metal sound.
FWIW almost have 2k since my last oil change. Z
Might want to check to make sure your noisemaker is secure. Also any plastic parts that may have been impacted when LMS removed and reinstalled your intake manifold.
Additionally if you can get under your car I would check to make sure that the new Alky pump is still secured, along with the new reservoir that they installed.
Not uncommon for something to be slightly loose after everything settles in after being taken apart.
Just my .02 cents..
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Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on September 22, 2017, 07:08:36 PM
Post by: ZSHO on September 22, 2017, 07:08:36 PM
I guess sometimes its in front of you and you don't see it!!!!!
I found the front bumper a bit loose which makes perfect sense since having the DPM installed.
Does anyone know how to tighten the front bumper on the 13+SHO?
Its unfortunately getting dark here and will try to tackle it early tomorrow am or will contact LMS,Thanks. Z :)
I found the front bumper a bit loose which makes perfect sense since having the DPM installed.
Does anyone know how to tighten the front bumper on the 13+SHO?
Its unfortunately getting dark here and will try to tackle it early tomorrow am or will contact LMS,Thanks. Z :)
Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: SHOdded on September 22, 2017, 07:30:51 PM
Post by: SHOdded on September 22, 2017, 07:30:51 PM
May need bumper cover mounting brackets, or new fasteners. Ever since the transition to pictorial description of things in the FSM, it's a bit hard for me to tell.
Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on September 22, 2017, 07:37:33 PM
Post by: ZSHO on September 22, 2017, 07:37:33 PM
-MANU Thank you so much. Z :)
(Courtesy) of SHOdded.
(https://i.imgur.com/HMjXtghh.png?1)
(Courtesy) of SHOdded.
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Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on September 23, 2017, 08:03:20 AM
Post by: ZSHO on September 23, 2017, 08:03:20 AM
I called a good buddy of mine to give me a hand with the front bumper and will post some pics of during the day. Z
Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: bpd1151 on September 23, 2017, 09:01:03 AM
Post by: bpd1151 on September 23, 2017, 09:01:03 AM
Although my pics are still being held hostage by Photobucket, looks like the exact same procedure I wrote up on the bumper removal "How-To" on the 10's through 12's.
Fairly easy job once familiar with it. Fastest I got mine off was 12min.
Good luck Z!
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Fairly easy job once familiar with it. Fastest I got mine off was 12min.
Good luck Z!
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Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 23, 2017, 09:26:16 AM
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 23, 2017, 09:26:16 AM
^^^ exactly what he said. There are a couple tabs up top that sometimes need a little guidance and by the headlights.
Fingers crossed it's something simple
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Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on September 23, 2017, 03:54:40 PM
Post by: ZSHO on September 23, 2017, 03:54:40 PM
This unfortunately might require a dealer visit since it needs some fasteners.
I tried to pushing it in on both sides for the time being. Z
High-lighted in Black
(https://i.imgur.com/i2vjDh4h.jpg?1)
I tried to pushing it in on both sides for the time being. Z
High-lighted in Black
(https://i.imgur.com/i2vjDh4h.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: bpd1151 on September 23, 2017, 04:12:57 PM
Post by: bpd1151 on September 23, 2017, 04:12:57 PM
What's that black on there?
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Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on September 23, 2017, 04:59:28 PM
Post by: ZSHO on September 23, 2017, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: bpd1151 on September 23, 2017, 04:12:57 PMThat's the section that came loose on (both sides). Z
What's that black on there?
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Is this better!!!Lol.
(https://i.imgur.com/zrUqF5Rh.jpg)
Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 23, 2017, 05:28:27 PM
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 23, 2017, 05:28:27 PM
Do you have the part numbers for those? If you need them let me know. Both of mine broke when I took off the bumper for the Alky install.
Total cost was $19 both both sides, and its one bolt holding them in. Super easy to replace.
My guess is they snapped when the LMS guys removed your front bumper and they didn't notice. Although if they don't clip in correct it doesn't sit right... so not sure how they didn't notice. And my guess is that is the only time your front clip has ever been removed.
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Total cost was $19 both both sides, and its one bolt holding them in. Super easy to replace.
My guess is they snapped when the LMS guys removed your front bumper and they didn't notice. Although if they don't clip in correct it doesn't sit right... so not sure how they didn't notice. And my guess is that is the only time your front clip has ever been removed.
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Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: bpd1151 on September 23, 2017, 05:58:19 PM
Post by: bpd1151 on September 23, 2017, 05:58:19 PM
YES! I was scared for you for a moment there.
Lol.
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Lol.
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Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 23, 2017, 06:02:43 PM
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 23, 2017, 06:02:43 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170923/0e00da548770950308e04d29f6be7d63.jpg)
Ok... like $16 a side... still not terrible.
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Ok... like $16 a side... still not terrible.
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Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on September 23, 2017, 06:44:48 PM
Post by: ZSHO on September 23, 2017, 06:44:48 PM
Thanks there SBS! That's what i had.!!!
Its members like you and others who don't hesitate in lending a helping hand and contributing,its something i have been accustomed to throughout the years here @ E.B.P.F. Z :)
https://parts.levittownfordparts.com/oem-parts/ford-side-support-ag1z17c947b/?c=Zz1ib2R5JnM9YnVtcGVyLWFuZC1jb21wb25lbnRzLWZyb250Jmk9Sk4xMDAwNjUmcj1sYXllcl80JmE9Zm9yZCZvPXRhdXJ1cyZ5PTIwMTMmdD1zaG8mZT0zLTVsLXY2LWdhcw%3D%3D
Its members like you and others who don't hesitate in lending a helping hand and contributing,its something i have been accustomed to throughout the years here @ E.B.P.F. Z :)
https://parts.levittownfordparts.com/oem-parts/ford-side-support-ag1z17c947b/?c=Zz1ib2R5JnM9YnVtcGVyLWFuZC1jb21wb25lbnRzLWZyb250Jmk9Sk4xMDAwNjUmcj1sYXllcl80JmE9Zm9yZCZvPXRhdXJ1cyZ5PTIwMTMmdD1zaG8mZT0zLTVsLXY2LWdhcw%3D%3D
Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 23, 2017, 06:49:41 PM
Post by: StealBlueSho on September 23, 2017, 06:49:41 PM
Just banking my brownie point for when I really piss everyone off one day..
Are you planning on swapping them yourself? If so, I did it by poping out the plastic screws in wheel well and the bottom 8mm bolt.. it gave me enough room to pull the front clip away to swap out that part...
The single bolt is a 13mm IIRC which was odd as almost everything is 8 or 10 for mouldings...
If you run into issue please feel free to reach out! If you were closer I could just swing by and knock it out in 15min...
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Are you planning on swapping them yourself? If so, I did it by poping out the plastic screws in wheel well and the bottom 8mm bolt.. it gave me enough room to pull the front clip away to swap out that part...
The single bolt is a 13mm IIRC which was odd as almost everything is 8 or 10 for mouldings...
If you run into issue please feel free to reach out! If you were closer I could just swing by and knock it out in 15min...
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Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on September 24, 2017, 08:01:03 AM
Post by: ZSHO on September 24, 2017, 08:01:03 AM
@ SBS due appreciate the offer!!! I should receive it by Wed. Z :)
FORD AG1Z17C947B
Category: Reinforcement (Only 13 Remaining)
$11.14 ea
http://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/ford,AG1Z17C947B,reinforcement,1001720 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/ford,AG1Z17C947B,reinforcement,1001720)
FORD AG1Z17C947B
Category: Reinforcement (Only 13 Remaining)
$11.14 ea
http://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/ford,AG1Z17C947B,reinforcement,1001720 (http://www.rockauto.com/en/parts/ford,AG1Z17C947B,reinforcement,1001720)
Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: SHOdded on September 24, 2017, 01:42:22 PM
Post by: SHOdded on September 24, 2017, 01:42:22 PM
The O in FORD stands for ODDITY. Hope that fixes it.
(https://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8362.0;attach=15588;image)
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Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on September 24, 2017, 01:54:55 PM
Post by: ZSHO on September 24, 2017, 01:54:55 PM
MANU your much to kind sir! :) I have an appt @ the Ford Dealer this week for re-alignment and will have them check it out, thanks. Z
Title: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 09:17:14 AM
Post by: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 09:17:14 AM
Update I found the engine cover loose since having my DPM installed.
The engine cover does not sit flush on the engine due to the DPM being slightly higher on TOP of the manifold which makes it difficult to fully secure the cover and only the front two fastner's,insulators can be fully secured which IMO is causing the brief plastic rattle sound upon cold start up. Z
The bumper issue is my fault due to the lower skirt getting stuck on the curb . :banghead:
(https://i.imgur.com/Yh4FQzoh.jpg?2)
The engine cover does not sit flush on the engine due to the DPM being slightly higher on TOP of the manifold which makes it difficult to fully secure the cover and only the front two fastner's,insulators can be fully secured which IMO is causing the brief plastic rattle sound upon cold start up. Z
The bumper issue is my fault due to the lower skirt getting stuck on the curb . :banghead:
(https://i.imgur.com/Yh4FQzoh.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 09:58:01 AM
Post by: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 09:58:01 AM
Such a purveyor of RED! Even hitting a RED brick wall, LOL! Yeah, the cover makes sense, I guess at least you can still have the cover kinda on, unlike with the hiflow HPFP.
Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 10:41:02 AM
Post by: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 10:41:02 AM
Quote from: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 09:58:01 AMMANU do you recall when i was able to remove the engine cover with EASE .Lol. Z
Such a purveyor of RED! Even hitting a RED brick wall, LOL! Yeah, the cover makes sense, I guess at least you can still have the cover kinda on, unlike with the hiflow HPFP.
Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 01:19:27 PM
Post by: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 01:19:27 PM
Well then LOL
Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:06:19 PM
Post by: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:06:19 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 10:41:02 AMEngine covers are way overrated for cosmetic beauty or was that noise abatement? Wait is was heat retention wasn't it?Quote from: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 09:58:01 AMMANU do you recall when i was able to remove the engine cover with EASE .Lol. Z
Such a purveyor of RED! Even hitting a RED brick wall, LOL! Yeah, the cover makes sense, I guess at least you can still have the cover kinda on, unlike with the hiflow HPFP.
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Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:46:07 PM
Post by: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:46:07 PM
Quote from: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:06:19 PMHuh!! ??? Due forgive my old age. ZQuote from: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 10:41:02 AMEngine covers are way overrated for cosmetic beauty or was that noise abatement? Wait is was heat retention wasn't it?Quote from: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 09:58:01 AMMANU do you recall when i was able to remove the engine cover with EASE .Lol. Z
Such a purveyor of RED! Even hitting a RED brick wall, LOL! Yeah, the cover makes sense, I guess at least you can still have the cover kinda on, unlike with the hiflow HPFP.
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Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:48:35 PM
Post by: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:48:35 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:46:07 PMNever mind just my old age flareing up..Quote from: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:06:19 PMHuh!! ??? Due forgive my old age. ZQuote from: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 10:41:02 AMEngine covers are way overrated for cosmetic beauty or was that noise abatement? Wait is was heat retention wasn't it?Quote from: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 09:58:01 AMMANU do you recall when i was able to remove the engine cover with EASE .Lol. Z
Such a purveyor of RED! Even hitting a RED brick wall, LOL! Yeah, the cover makes sense, I guess at least you can still have the cover kinda on, unlike with the hiflow HPFP.
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Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 06:52:23 PM
Post by: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:06:19 PMLOL
Engine covers are way overrated for cosmetic beauty or was that noise abatement? Wait is was heat retention wasn't it?
Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 07:04:25 PM
Post by: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 07:04:25 PM
Quote from: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:48:35 PMI guess it might be time for me to Hang it Up. Z :(Quote from: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:46:07 PMNever mind just my old age flareing up..Quote from: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:06:19 PMHuh!! ??? Due forgive my old age. ZQuote from: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 10:41:02 AMEngine covers are way overrated for cosmetic beauty or was that noise abatement? Wait is was heat retention wasn't it?Quote from: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 09:58:01 AMMANU do you recall when i was able to remove the engine cover with EASE .Lol. Z
Such a purveyor of RED! Even hitting a RED brick wall, LOL! Yeah, the cover makes sense, I guess at least you can still have the cover kinda on, unlike with the hiflow HPFP.
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Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 07:05:44 PM
Post by: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 07:05:44 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 07:04:25 PMLmao c'mon cut an old guy some slackQuote from: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:48:35 PMI guess it might be time to Hang it Up. Z :(Quote from: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:46:07 PMNever mind just my old age flareing up..Quote from: BlueSHO on October 05, 2017, 06:06:19 PMHuh!! ??? Due forgive my old age. ZQuote from: ZSHO on October 05, 2017, 10:41:02 AMEngine covers are way overrated for cosmetic beauty or was that noise abatement? Wait is was heat retention wasn't it?Quote from: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 09:58:01 AMMANU do you recall when i was able to remove the engine cover with EASE .Lol. Z
Such a purveyor of RED! Even hitting a RED brick wall, LOL! Yeah, the cover makes sense, I guess at least you can still have the cover kinda on, unlike with the hiflow HPFP.
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Title: Re: Re: Cold start rattle!
Post by: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 07:06:27 PM
Post by: SHOdded on October 05, 2017, 07:06:27 PM
That depends. You wear baggy pants?