2013 Taurus SHO non PP
Issue:
- Vibration throughout the vehicle most noticable at
highway speed.
- I can visibly see my passenger side seat shaking
and or anything placed on the seat
- Shaking can also be felt in the steering wheel and
- Vehicle shakes while in neutral and in motion
- Brake pedal shaking when applied but it does not
do so constantly. Some times it happens and
sometimes it does not.
My attempts to fix:
- New tires mounted and balanced = no fix
- Road force balance conducted with no issue (no
bent rims reported by Ford dealership who
conducted the balance)= no fix
- Front end shake down conducted no play found
Further information:
- Front axle recall repair conducted but I do not
remember if the issue persisted before hand. This
has been on going and I am just getting
sick of it.
- On Fords recommendation in doing the
Road Force Balance they claimed to have
fixed the shaking. Once I picked up the car i found this not to be true .
Anyone have a similar issue with their SHO and have a fix? Any help or information is apperciated. Thank you in advance
How many miles on your SHO? Did this so called dealer check the front end for any play such as the inner tie rods,wheel hubs etc?
Have they checked your brakes or perform a multi-point vehicle inspection?
It could that your rotors are warped especially if original and need to perform a run-out test IIRC to rule that out.
Have you tried to rotate your wheels to see if your symptoms alleviate a bit?
I still would not rule out a bent rim out of the equation IMO along with a proper wheel balance.
I noticed you were in NY and can definitely hook you up with a reputable Ford dealer such as mine and finally get to the bottom of things .. Z
Does it start/stop at any particular speed?
Any pulsing, or is it constant vibration
It IS possible the problem lies in the wheels/tires. As Z said, warped rotors, which can result from overtightened lug nuts. Powerhappy wrenchers. Usually it is a tire or wheel issue, from bent or cracked rims. The daisy wheels in particular have known to do both.
If the vibration is primarily in the floorboard, that would indicate possible bad mounting bearings on the driveshaft, or driveshaft not properly indexed.
Engine or trans mounts would be felt at any speed, including at startup.
Quote from: ZSHO on April 07, 2017, 03:00:22 PM
How many miles on your SHO? Did this so called dealer check the front end for any play such as the inner tie rods,wheel hubs etc?
Have they checked your brakes or perform a multi-point vehicle inspection?
It could that your rotors are warped especially if original and need to perform a run-out test IIRC to rule that out.
Have you tried to rotate your wheels to see if your symptoms alleviate a bit?
I still would not rule out a bent rim out of the equation IMO along with a proper wheel balance.
I noticed you were in NY and can definitely hook you up with a reputable Ford dealer such as mine and finally get to the bottom of things .. Z
Thanks for the reply. The SHO has 62k on it. I have had multiple multi point inspections done on the car. No issues have been found. I actually had other issue i was dealing with which made me leave my closest dealship and travel where I just had a PTU replaced and 2 Turbos. I didnt bring up the shaking with the new dealership again with hopes that maybe the ptu was causing it. But now that I have it back its the same shaking. They did say there is a brake pulse which could be from the rotors. But would the car shake while not applying the brakes? I agree it could be a bent rim still, but the dealer that did the Road Force balance did mention it. And I would think when doing that balance it would show.
Quote from: SHODRVR on April 07, 2017, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on April 07, 2017, 03:00:22 PM
How many miles on your SHO? Did this so called dealer check the front end for any play such as the inner tie rods,wheel hubs etc?
Have they checked your brakes or perform a multi-point vehicle inspection?
It could that your rotors are warped especially if original and need to perform a run-out test IIRC to rule that out.
Have you tried to rotate your wheels to see if your symptoms alleviate a bit?
I still would not rule out a bent rim out of the equation IMO along with a proper wheel balance.
I noticed you were in NY and can definitely hook you up with a reputable Ford dealer such as mine and finally get to the bottom of things .. Z
Thanks for the reply. The SHO has 62k on it. I have had multiple multi point inspections done on the car. No issues have been found. I actually had other issue i was dealing with which made me leave my closest dealship and travel where I just had a PTU replaced and 2 Turbos. I didnt bring up the shaking with the new dealership again with hopes that maybe the ptu was causing it. But now that I have it back its the same shaking. They did say there is a brake pulse which could be from the rotors. But would the car shake while not applying the brakes? I agree it could be a bent rim still, but the dealer that did the Road Force balance did mention it. And I would think when doing that balance it would show.
I had a decent shake at low speeds and highway speeds on my Flex on factory rotors with 50K miles on them. I changed all the rotors out to new CD/S Zinc Coated when I upgraded to the Power Stop Z23 kit and most of my shakes magically disappeared! I'd have never thought the rotors could cause that much vibration, but the proof was in the pudding on mine!
NOTE: Edited for "flow" - SHOdded
Quote from: SHODRVR on April 07, 2017, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on April 07, 2017, 03:00:22 PM
How many miles on your SHO? Did this so called dealer check the front end for any play such as the inner tie rods,wheel hubs etc?
Have they checked your brakes or perform a multi-point vehicle inspection?
It could that your rotors are warped especially if original and need to perform a run-out test IIRC to rule that out.
Have you tried to rotate your wheels to see if your symptoms alleviate a bit?
I still would not rule out a bent rim out of the equation IMO along with a proper wheel balance.
I noticed you were in NY and can definitely hook you up with a reputable Ford dealer such as mine and finally get to the bottom of things .. Z
Thanks for the reply. The SHO has 62k on it. I have had multiple multi point inspections done on the car. No issues have been found. I actually had other issue i was dealing with which made me leave my closest dealship and travel where I just had a PTU replaced and 2 Turbos. I didnt bring up the shaking with the new dealership again with hopes that maybe the ptu was causing it. But now that I have it back its the same shaking. They did say there is a brake pulse which could be from the rotors. But would the car shake while not applying the brakes? I agree it could be a bent rim still, but the dealer that did the Road Force balance did mention it. And I would think when doing that balance it would show.
That's one of the very reason's I traded in my previous new 13-NON PP SHO back then because of the warped rotors which shook at highway speeds especially when slowing down abruptly and was felt throughout the cabin especially the steering wheel. Z
Do you have any pics to share with us?
Do you happen to know if the brakes are original? Sorry for all the questions just trying to help a fellow member out. Z
Quote from: glock-coma on April 07, 2017, 03:17:45 PM
Does it start/stop at any particular speed?
Any pulsing, or is it constant vibration
I noticed recently the when its cold out its much more aggressive at a lower speed.It continues to do so all the way up 60-70-80-90
It is a constant vibration. I daily drive it so at highway speed it happens all the time. I feel it in the steering wheel, floorboard, brake and gas pedal.
Quote from: ZSHO on April 07, 2017, 03:00:22 PM
That's one of the very reason's I traded in my previous new 13-NON PP SHO back then because of the warped rotors which shook at highway speeds especially when slowing down abruptly and was felt throughout the cabin especially the steering wheel. Z
Do you have any pics to share with us?
Do you happen to know if the brakes are original? Sorry for all the questions just trying to help a fellow member out. Z
[/quote]Yeah I'm gonna try new brake pads and rotors next. The car shakes like a b*tch coming down from highway speed wobbling all over the place. But the brake shake/wobble only happens from high speed stops to slow downs. Brake are original as far as I know I bought the car with 15k a little over a year ago and I daily drive it so I have been racking up the mileage. Unfortunately I don't have any photos of the car at this time which is surprising to me actually since I would take photos all the time of my previous cars, but I hope to have some up soon. What area of New York are you in?
Quote from: djxfactor on April 07, 2017, 05:05:19 PM
Quote from: SHODRVR on April 07, 2017, 04:55:18 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on April 07, 2017, 03:00:22 PM
I had a decent shake at low speeds and highway speeds on my Flex on factory rotors with 50K miles on them. I changed all the rotors out to new CD/S Zinc Coated when I upgraded to the Power Stop Z23 kit and most of my shakes magically disappeared! I'd have never thought the rotors could cause that much vibration, but the proof was in the pudding on mine!
NOTE: Edited for "flow" - SHOdded
Really? hmm Im probably going that route next. I was just looking up a good brake upgrade for the SHO and I see most are suggesting the Z23 kit or the EBC pads and blanks. How do you like the Z23 kit overall?
The fact that it's worse when it's cold makes me think tires. I've had a lot of tire issues over the years because I used to roll almost exclusively on used tires off of cars that were headed for the junk yard. When I still lived with my parents, I had access to all of my father's heavy equipment and we would scrap old cars regularly. Any tires that had decent tread on them would end up on one of our vehicles at some point (back then almost everything had pretty standard 14-15" sizes that were interchangeable between many different brands). This tire swapping often caused the belts to shift because of varying rotation/alignment on different cars along with them being old and starting to dry rot. The vibration from a shifted belt is worse when you first start driving, and the worst when it is very cold outside. When you get the tires warmed up the pliability of the rubber increases so imperfections get smoothed out and it feels better when you're rolling. It's very similar to using bias ply trailer tires which get flat spots in them when you leave them sit. Drive until they're warmed up and the vibration goes away when the flat spots disappear. The way I would check for this is to jack up each tire and (with gloved hands at first in case any steel belts are exposed) check for imperfections around the whole tire. You'll feel a pronounced bump if the tire is out of round from shifted belts.
If you find this condition, get new tires IMMEDIATELY. The imperfection will cause the tread to wear through in very few miles, then the belts, then your tire pops. I have had this happen on new tires too, which is actually the only time I've had a tire blow out amazingly, so new(er) tires don't exclude this as a problem.
Something else of note in your posts is that you said the PTU was recently serviced, which means that your driveshaft was disconnected. If this wasn't indexed properly during reassembly, it could be causing your vibration, because even while in neutral rolling down the road, the front axle half shafts, PTU and driveshaft are all still spinning. Other than wheels/hubs/brakes/tires, the PTU, half shafts and driveshaft are the only other things that could cause the vibration since it happens independent of the engine and transaxle being engaged.
Oh lovely another person with this issue. This happened on my 13 mks eb and long story short mine is within spec. You feel it in the wheel , you can see the passenger seat shake and you feel it in your right knee that rests on the center area.
I got new tires , 2 or 3 road for balances. new driveshaft , new ptu , wheels swapped off new vehicles, new driveshaft swapped out . i did had bad front struts that didn't fix it . Mine you can feel at like 35 or 40 and up to like 80 ish . Its not violent but its annoying bc i have a easy cruise control drive to and from work at 55 and 75 mph cruise locks speeds.
I went to 4 dealers , 2 or3 wouldn't take me . I was on a first name basis with the lady at lincoln. Mine was all under warranty . But the last and best dealer i went to the head service guy rode with me and felt it and came to the conclusion it was within spec. The thing that sucks is when i bought the car it sat for while so it had flat spotted tires , then the selling dealer paid for new ones after they paid for brakes to be cut and for two road force balances. So the issue was always there .
The last and best dealer pissed me off bc they didn't want to just start replacing parts. I felt they should since it was at so many places and no one could figure it out . So i'm learning to live with it and at 52k with 3 yrs and up to 140k on my extended warranty .
I did get 400 bucks from lincoln for being dicked around and put that towards new brakes front and back . Btw the sho pp pads are great . 334 shipped from rockauto for it all .
If you happen to get this fixed let me know so i can look into the same thing .
Also mine does it while in any gear or in neutral , under load or coasting .
Im in the Albany ny area , where are you .
Ya, you have been thru a lot trying to get this issue resolved! Have they ever had an engineer come down to look at it?
My initial thought would be to hook up with some other local SHO owners in your area.
Maybe meet up on a weekend if one of you have a garage. Take a ride in their car, them a ride in yours to see where things are at and compare. Then see about swapping wheels between the cars and repeat the drives.
At very least that should definitively answer if it is a tire/wheel issue or not. Maybe they see/hear/feel something that can be checked out as well, sometimes a second set of eyes/ears/experience can do wonders.
Quote from: SHOdded on April 12, 2017, 02:22:25 PM
Ya, you have been thru a lot trying to get this issue resolved! Have they ever had an engineer come down to look at it?
no that was like a lie by the lady at lincoln .
i have this issue but it comes and goes. some days it's as smooth as silk and others it's very annoying shaking the passenger seat. but it only ever started once i replaced the factory installed michelin's. it's not a huge deal and not shaking the car apart but it is annoying
Quote from: SHODRVR on April 08, 2017, 06:24:27 PM
Quote from: ZSHO on April 07, 2017, 03:00:22 PM
That's one of the very reason's I traded in my previous new 13-NON PP SHO back then because of the warped rotors which shook at highway speeds especially when slowing down abruptly and was felt throughout the cabin especially the steering wheel. Z
Do you have any pics to share with us?
Do you happen to know if the brakes are original? Sorry for all the questions just trying to help a fellow member out. Z
Sorry for the late reply and can certainly hook you up with my Tuner friendly dealer in N.J and finally get to the bottom of your underlying issues once and for all.
I was very curious if you noticed any rust inside your wheels,specifically only one
section per wheel ?
LMK or Feel free to pm anytime. Z