http://www.xtreme-di.com/HPFP35/XDI-HPFP-35_Data_sheet_10-25-2016_V7.pdf (http://www.xtreme-di.com/HPFP35/XDI-HPFP-35_Data_sheet_10-25-2016_V7.pdf)
Not applicable to the SHO's.....
But a good start nonetheless.
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Good find! "More to come" sounds promising
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http://www.xtreme-di.com/index_files/XDI_Products.htm (http://www.xtreme-di.com/index_files/XDI_Products.htm)
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I will take one 500 bar pump and a set of 7250 psi injectors please...
The pump fits but the lines need to be modified to fit the transverse 3.5. Adam at Tune+ is currently working with them and is going to use my SHO to test fit the modified version. He said in a few weeks he should have everything for the test fit. So hopefully at the beginning of next year we'll have a fueling solution. Hello E85!
Quote from: Frozen Blue on November 07, 2016, 05:46:24 AM
The pump fits but the lines need to be modified to fit the transverse 3.5. Adam at Tune+ is currently working with them and is going to use my SHO to test fit the modified version. He said in a few weeks he should have everything for the test fit. So hopefully at the beginning of next year we'll have a fueling solution. Hello E85!
If I could reliably run my SHO with 100% E85 and run high-ish boost (greater than 10-11 lbs that can currently be run on straight E85), that would for sure give me reason to run straight E85.
Hopefully these pan out and are reliable.
Running 100% E would require upgrading several components in order to do so successfully.
Granted this new (& potential) HPFP is one of the bigger components of that puzzle, but don't be so quick to overlook the necessities of the remainder.
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I thought we were wanting a higher vol HPFP to get more fuel to the engine, not necessarily raise the % E ...
Quote from: SHOdded on November 07, 2016, 10:55:03 AM
I thought we were wanting a higher vol HPFP to get more fuel to the engine, not necessarily raise the % E ...
I was under the same belief, but obviously (as shown) there are others already considering it's alternative use.
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Both.....You could run big turbos on pump gas without meth and or you could run huge boost on straight E85 and it would be like having race gas cheaply.
How much boost do you envision with stock turbos and straight E? Past the max efficiency, you'd be looking at securing the heads properly.
I'm pretty sure you would need the +30 deatschwerks injectors to run the higher e blends.
Injectors, Head bolts, Fuel lines, Various connectors, Linings/Gaskets, etc. Just to name a few.
A whole smorgasbord of upgrades to consider.
It's not as simple as just "slapping" on a modified HPFP & away one goes. Goodness.
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so with higher E blends we probably want to run the bigger turbos, the bigger injectors (deatschwerks or otherwise), and miscellaneous parts as mentioned. Also, FoMoCo, is the fuel system verified ready for 100% E85 for the 2010-12 MYs?
The guys making the pumps said on facebook that the stock injectors are fine to run the 30-40% more fuel the upgraded new pump can push. We'll see when someone actually gets the pump running and tested.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on November 07, 2016, 11:40:04 AM
I'm pretty sure you would need the +30 deatschwerks injectors to run the higher e blends.
I assume then the fueling and maintenance requirements would have to be more rigorous also, considering how many people have had the stock/OEM injectors fail. How would you verify their condition prior to switching over to this new HPFP?
Quote from: SHOdded on November 07, 2016, 12:04:36 PM
I assume then the fueling and maintenance requirements would have to be more rigorous also, considering how many people have had the stock/OEM injectors fail. How would you verify their condition prior to switching over to this new HPFP?
Have them flow tested.
I saw price of $1900, OUCH! I know there is R&D, seems overly high. I was hope maybe around the price of a meth kit. Going to let others try it first. Can buy alot of methanol for $900.
Quote from: Frozen Blue on November 07, 2016, 01:39:54 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on November 07, 2016, 12:04:36 PM
I assume then the fueling and maintenance requirements would have to be more rigorous also, considering how many people have had the stock/OEM injectors fail. How would you verify their condition prior to switching over to this new HPFP?
Have them flow tested.
Thats the thing, it is a bit of labor to get to them and then reinstall them, would have to be DIY. I suppose a relative flow test would have to do instead.
Quote from: SHOdded on November 07, 2016, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: Frozen Blue on November 07, 2016, 01:39:54 PM
Quote from: SHOdded on November 07, 2016, 12:04:36 PM
I assume then the fueling and maintenance requirements would have to be more rigorous also, considering how many people have had the stock/OEM injectors fail. How would you verify their condition prior to switching over to this new HPFP?
Have them flow tested.
Thats the thing, it is a bit of labor to get to them and then reinstall them, would have to be DIY. I suppose a relative flow test would have to do instead.
Probably future tech, but a flow sensor for each cylinder would be pretty awesome, or a way to tell if everything is proper based on individual injector voltage/ecm signal.
That would be COOL :) Heck I would settle for a boost and oil pressure gauge straight from Ford LOL!
Quote from: SHOdded on November 07, 2016, 06:09:20 PM
That would be COOL :) Heck I would settle for a boost and oil pressure gauge straight from Ford LOL!
The 1 thing I hate about the SHO is the electronic cluster without additional gauges. Even the crappy H/L analog gauges would be better IMO. On my SHO it was a simple fix with a Crash pod though and boost and A/F.
Once you get used to having gauges, nothing else will do.
I wonder if there are ways to build safety into a tune based on fuel pressure dips, I assume you can narrow down atleast which side of the engine an issue is occuring (fuel wise) based on Bank A/F
So.. this thing is out already, from Livernoise. Two versions. Approx 1600, or 2400 for severe duty. Rich over on the ecoboost enthusiast FB page has it up on running. I about s*** myself. Full E85. But hes maxed out injectors.
Maxed out injectors, sorta. The ECU is the main issue. 2010-12 have different from 2013+. There are more tables to work with the '13+ cars. So sounding like guys with the 2010-12 cars may have to get injectors. That's what I got out of it, this past weekend.
Quote from: NITSOOB on June 06, 2017, 09:42:07 PM
So.. this thing is out already, from Livernoise. Two versions. Approx 1600, or 2400 for severe duty. Rich over on the ecoboost enthusiast FB page has it up on running. I about s*** myself. Full E85. But hes maxed out injectors.
Rich is NOT running full E85.
Brian is correct, in stating the injectors are an issue for those '10-'12 model years.
I believe Rich is running about a 50% E blend from what I recall.
Sucks being the test mule, but y'all should be thanking Rich for his headache's and whatnot involved in enduring all the ironing out this has to go through, before the rest of y'all can enjoy it full tilt.
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From FB:
QuoteYeah...have a full e85 tune,just couldn't turn it up as much as we wanted and be safe
According to him, it should be available for purchase
Correct, he couldn't "turn it up much".
I.E. not running full E85 due to the injector issues currently presented.
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Quote from: bpd1151 on June 06, 2017, 10:12:25 PM
Quote from: NITSOOB on June 06, 2017, 09:42:07 PM
So.. this thing is out already, from Livernoise. Two versions. Approx 1600, or 2400 for severe duty. Rich over on the ecoboost enthusiast FB page has it up on running. I about s*** myself. Full E85. But hes maxed out injectors.
Rich is NOT running full E85.
Brian is correct, in stating the injectors are an issue for those '10-'12 model years.
I believe Rich is running about a 50% E blend from what I recall.
Sucks being the test mule, but y'all should be thanking Rich for his headache's and whatnot involved in enduring all the ironing out this has to go through, before the rest of y'all can enjoy it full tilt.
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True!! actually ran into Rich's car on the Dyno at LMS while picking mine Up. Z
Its sometimes better to be on the safe side of things for the Time being. Z
I see.. Im reading as: hes turned down boost due to the injector issue. Reached out for clarification.
This is pretty amazing either way, full e85 or close to it.
Full E85 confirmed, but it was "dialed back because the injectors couldnt keep up."(it being the tune itself).
He has several other tunes, e44, 93, 91.
So Livernois is saying the fuel system is E85 certified? FoMoCo posted a while back that the 2013+'s seem to be.