those of you with PP, which traction control do you turn off? Advanced, by holding the brake and the button for 5 seconds, or do you just hit the button twice? which works better on the track?
I shut off advanctrac...i wouldnt want any intervention of traction or stability control....its to intrusive when it steps in
Ha! When advance Trac kicks on, it dumps all my boost... You can see it in he logs.. WGDC just drops to 0 like it hit a wall...I have a non-pp so I get that issue when I really dog it..
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 22, 2016, 07:34:53 PM
Ha! When advance Trac kicks on, it dumps all my boost... You can see it in he logs.. WGDC just drops to 0 like it hit a wall...I have a non-pp so I get that issue when I really dog it..
How were you getting those good 0-60 times?..i thought you told me you had some good ones
Quote from: AJP turbo on October 22, 2016, 07:41:03 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 22, 2016, 07:34:53 PM
Ha! When advance Trac kicks on, it dumps all my boost... You can see it in he logs.. WGDC just drops to 0 like it hit a wall...I have a non-pp so I get that issue when I really dog it..
How were you getting those good 0-60 times?..i thought you told me you had some good ones
If I am on a flat road and going straight I don't have an issue. If I am turning at ALL or punching it from a stop going up a hill the front lifts and advactrac cuts my balls off...
4.3 seconds 0-60 all day long without launching with your setup....if I do a real launch I spin too much... Probably need to experiment with dropping tire pressures...
4.5 seconds is the best I could do with LMS 4+X race tune..even after they re-wrote for me..
5.1 with Unleashed...but Torrie never could nail down a tune on my car...I ended up going else where...
There actually may be a way i could replicate the PP's ability to disable advancetrac in a non pp but it may be experimental and render stability control useless so it would be for a "race tune" only...but im not sure yet if i can do it
There was a guy who could do it... Using IDS... Only on the 2013+...
Quote from: AJP turbo on October 22, 2016, 07:56:09 PM
There actually may be a way i could replicate the PP's ability to disable advancetrac in a non pp but it may be experimental and render stability control useless so it would be for a "race tune" only...but im not sure yet if i can do it
Email sent... You know I love a good experiment...
those are some good times, 4.3
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 22, 2016, 08:01:37 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on October 22, 2016, 07:56:09 PM
There actually may be a way i could replicate the PP's ability to disable advancetrac in a non pp but it may be experimental and render stability control useless so it would be for a "race tune" only...but im not sure yet if i can do it
Email sent... You know I love a good experiment...
^ what he said! let's figure it out, would be a nice option for a race tune
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 22, 2016, 07:34:53 PM
Ha! When advance Trac kicks on, it dumps all my boost... You can see it in he logs.. WGDC just drops to 0 like it hit a wall...I have a non-pp so I get that issue when I really dog it..
I turned it all the way off at the track, and still the car complained on a few runs where I launched a bit hard. Didn't seem to pull power, but didnt like going over 100mph with it off, popped up a "Service AdvanceTrac Soon" light. No code or anything though, and it went away on key cycle.
Quote from: AJP turbo on October 22, 2016, 07:06:19 PM
I shut off advanctrac...i wouldnt want any intervention of traction or stability control....its to intrusive when it steps in
I agree, I did a run with just normal traction control off and lost atleast .1 of a second time wise, and could feel it stepping in.
Quote from: derfdog15 on October 22, 2016, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 22, 2016, 07:34:53 PM
Ha! When advance Trac kicks on, it dumps all my boost... You can see it in he logs.. WGDC just drops to 0 like it hit a wall...I have a non-pp so I get that issue when I really dog it..
I turned it all the way off at the track, and still the car complained on a few runs where I launched a bit hard. Didn't seem to pull power, but didnt like going over 100mph with it off, popped up a "Service AdvanceTrac Soon" light. No code or anything though, and it went away on key cycle.
Quote from: AJP turbo on October 22, 2016, 07:06:19 PM
I shut off advanctrac...i wouldnt want any intervention of traction or stability control....its to intrusive when it steps in
I agree, I did a run with just normal traction control off and lost atleast .1 of a second time wise, and could feel it stepping in.
I got that message pretty consistently when I raced my SHO...I think it has to do with brake boosting
Quote from: AJP turbo on October 22, 2016, 11:21:59 PM
Quote from: derfdog15 on October 22, 2016, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 22, 2016, 07:34:53 PM
Ha! When advance Trac kicks on, it dumps all my boost... You can see it in he logs.. WGDC just drops to 0 like it hit a wall...I have a non-pp so I get that issue when I really dog it..
I turned it all the way off at the track, and still the car complained on a few runs where I launched a bit hard. Didn't seem to pull power, but didnt like going over 100mph with it off, popped up a "Service AdvanceTrac Soon" light. No code or anything though, and it went away on key cycle.
Quote from: AJP turbo on October 22, 2016, 07:06:19 PM
I shut off advanctrac...i wouldnt want any intervention of traction or stability control....its to intrusive when it steps in
I agree, I did a run with just normal traction control off and lost atleast .1 of a second time wise, and could feel it stepping in.
I got that message pretty consistently when I raced my SHO...I think it has to do with brake boosting
Yeah, it scared me at first, but I checked, and no codes, and still consistent times, so I just ignored it when it popped up the next time.
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 22, 2016, 08:01:37 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on October 22, 2016, 07:56:09 PM
There actually may be a way i could replicate the PP's ability to disable advancetrac in a non pp but it may be experimental and render stability control useless so it would be for a "race tune" only...but im not sure yet if i can do it
Email sent... You know I love a good experiment...
I'm interested in turning off all this advance crap also. Is there a way to turn off the traction control with a push of a button instead of going down through all the menus on the dash?
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Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 22, 2016, 07:57:34 PMThere was a guy who could do it... Using IDS... Only on the 2013+...
This "guy" was/is Jason & he hails from Wisconsin.... his user name in most forums is "jmr061".
At one point in the past, Jason was performing complete disabling of the traction & stability protocols, for those 2010-2012 Non-PP owners, so the info of 2013+ exclusively, is not necessarily accurate.
Due to lack of participation, Jason has since concentrated his efforts on those 2013+ Non-PP owners.
Perhaps some of you can grease the proverbial wheels to have both him & AJP network/interact with eachother, for the benefit of the community overall.
Certainly worth a try!
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Thanks for the clarification, his website only mentions 2013+ now.
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 23, 2016, 07:43:35 AMThanks for the clarification, his website only mentions 2013+ now.
No problem. My pleasure.
I was one of those 2010 owners who tried to coordinate schedules between myself and Jason, and just never was able to do so.
I've been kicking myself ever since. Please, someone, anyone else, feel free to kick me too.
Lol.
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Quote from: bpd1151 on October 23, 2016, 07:48:33 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 23, 2016, 07:43:35 AMThanks for the clarification, his website only mentions 2013+ now.
No problem. My pleasure.
I was one of those 2010 owners who tried to coordinate schedules between myself and Jason, and just never was able to do so.
I've been kicking myself ever since. Please, someone, anyone else, feel free to kick me too.
Lol.
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*ninja kick*
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Quote from: bpd1151 on October 23, 2016, 07:48:33 AM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 23, 2016, 07:43:35 AMThanks for the clarification, his website only mentions 2013+ now.
No problem. My pleasure.
I was one of those 2010 owners who tried to coordinate schedules between myself and Jason, and just never was able to do so.
I've been kicking myself ever since. Please, someone, anyone else, feel free to kick me too.
Lol.
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:nono: kicking here but only a well deserved :clap2: :clap2: for all your achievments. Z
If AJPTURBO manages to figure that out I will HAVE to send him more money...with a permagrin!
Tune sent....I actually think JMR061 can do more with IDS and module programming but there are a couple things that I can do through the calibration that may help.
Quote from: AJP turbo on October 23, 2016, 12:22:17 PM
Tune sent....I actually think JMR061 can do more with IDS and module programming but there are a couple things that I can do through the calibration that may help.
I will load it up! Thanks!! Best tuner I have worked with and I have worked with the major ones.
:jacked: To the OP may need to move/split this TOPIC thanks. Z
Sorry :-/
I don't get on this forum very much as I don't have a SHO anymore. @BPD1151 is correct that I had a good programming test setup but we never did get a chance to meet up and test it (for the 10-12s). At the same time I was working on the same thing for the 13+ models and had some programming to test but never could get a test subject to do it as it required adding wiring and the hardware button in the center console for turning on and off ESP/TSC. That was a couple years ago at least, if not longer and I don't have the testing data anymore (long gone in the garbage). I do believe a non-pp can be setup like a pp.
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 23, 2016, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on October 23, 2016, 12:22:17 PM
Tune sent....I actually think JMR061 can do more with IDS and module programming but there are a couple things that I can do through the calibration that may help.
I will load it up! Thanks!! Best tuner I have worked with and I have worked with the major ones.
keep us posted on this! nice to see someone willing to push the progress for us non pp guys.
Quote from: jmr061 on October 23, 2016, 11:48:09 PM
I don't get on this forum very much as I don't have a SHO anymore. @BPD1151 is correct that I had a good programming test setup but we never did get a chance to meet up and test it (for the 10-12s). At the same time I was working on the same thing for the 13+ models and had some programming to test but never could get a test subject to do it as it required adding wiring and the hardware button in the center console for turning on and off ESP/TSC. That was a couple years ago at least, if not longer and I don't have the testing data anymore (long gone in the garbage). I do believe a non-pp can be setup like a pp.
oh man, a button or cluster menu addition would be ideal.
I guess the second best option would be able to do it in the tune (track only tune)
Here is the discussion on the 13+SHO a couple light years back,LOL. :D Z http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3764.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,3764.0.html)
Found out some interesting things... No solution yet... Found out how to crash the ECU, and how to recover a crashed ECU.. yay for experimenting!!! Waiting on some explanation from SCT...
Anyway... Still experimenting..go science!
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 28, 2016, 09:49:40 PM
Found out some interesting things... No solution yet... Found out how to crash the ECU, and how to recover a crashed ECU.. yay for experimenting!!! Waiting on some explanation from SCT...
Anyway... Still experimenting..go science!
Please enlighten us with your shenanigans...
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on October 28, 2016, 10:26:58 PM
Please enlighten us with your shenanigans...
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AJP would be better at explaining it... I will tell you this though... I wouldn't want anyone else experimenting on my car...
What I can elaborate on is, if a tune doesn't load correctly it can cause the stock file to become corrupt. SCT tunes I believe just overlay new values on the stock tune file..So if the SCT device doesn't get the tune loaded correctly into the ecu..and your car won't start .. and you can't revert back to stock... Then SCT can build a recovery stock file that forces the SCTx4 to load it into the ECU... And boom back in business in under an hour...
EDIT: What this tells me is that our ECUs are a bit more robust than I thought...
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 28, 2016, 11:28:58 PM
Please enlighten us with your shenanigans...
EDIT: What this tells me is that our ECUs are a bit more robust than I thought...
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What it tells me is that the SCT device is poorly designed. There shouldn't be a case of a tune not loading.
Yes, I'm still bitter regarding my call to their inept/rude customer service department regarding my tuner running the defrost vent on high during a flash and the fuel gauge reading zero afterward. Have had tuners on numerous vehicles and never had these sorts of issues.
Love that we have great tuners that use the SCT device, but I won't purchase another given any other choice.
Quote from: sholxgt on October 29, 2016, 09:14:50 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 28, 2016, 11:28:58 PM
Please enlighten us with your shenanigans...
EDIT: What this tells me is that our ECUs are a bit more robust than I thought...
What it tells me is that the SCT device is poorly designed. There shouldn't be a case of a tune not loading.
Yes, I'm still bitter regarding my call to their inept/rude customer service department regarding my tuner running the defrost vent on high during a flash and the fuel gauge reading zero afterward. Have had tuners on numerous vehicles and never had these sorts of issues. Nor have I spent hours on the phone with a rude customer service person to have a call end by them telling me they would research and be back in touch by the end of the day to only have them never call me.
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Yes, there are tables I guess that SCT allows you to manipulate, and if your strategy doesnt support certain tables they are blacked out? Anywho... One of the values that are related to the Advanced Traction Control if modified causes the ecu to crash... The device reports back that everything is good, but when I tried to start the car it wouldn't kick over... Then the solenoids under the hood would open and close continuously... When I attempted to revert back to stock the SCTX4 would error out saying it was not married to my car...
I was able to use the mycal from LMS to rewrite ECU with the stock tune file... But SCT support had to provide a rescue file to unlock the SCTx4 again...
Brad still has some ideas though....
That may be a little harsh lol...It really is a bit more complicated although I can not say exactly how..But nowadays creating tuning software it seems there needs to be a level of tuning experience and computer science involved.
I think SCT may be one of the larger tuning companies which is one of their problems but it is also one of their assets. They have HUGE resources available to them.
I have used TONS of tuning packages.....UPREV for nissans and infiniti's. Hondata for Hondas and Acura's. Cobb for subarus and OPEN source for subarus also.
SCT to me seems to have the most adjustability available to the end user or Tuner...Sure, there can be software packages that focus on specific areas and can possibly do some things better than others but overall and on average SCT have more tables available than I have seen in other software suites.
I'm not sure the defrosters running during a flash is a bad thing. In fact it may be by design...When I flash tunes with my IDS VCM II which is what ford uses my defroster ran, so that seems to be a ford thing not an SCT thing. I have no idea why.
There are so many levels of customer service at SCT which is a common problem of large companies and in that case I tend to blame the person rather than the company
You could say that I'm biased because I tune with them but I'm simply going off of what I see when I tune.
Normally you wouldn't have issues with a simple tune flash but due to the access I had and the unique functions we were attempting to achieve we may have found a rare hole in software functionality...The tables I was changing I doubt anyone would ever have a need to change
It was odd to say the least.
I also think some of these problems are due to these tuning companies being so overly cautious on their devices being used by multiple people and cars that they create safeties and protections they make their own problems...If Steal blues device was simply allowed to flash a stock tune the problem could've been avoided..The stock tune was not corrupt it but the device was being told that the vehicle was the wrong ECU I guess due to the prior tune flash which contained a very odd scalar change
See, I knew Brad would come in with a better explanation lol... When trying to break new ground there are usually bumps...
I have to give Brad a ton of credit.. he was on SCT support like white on rice...
Like I said.. interesting developments lol.
Quote from: StealBlueSho on October 29, 2016, 09:49:51 PM
See, I knew Brad would come in with a better explanation lol... When trying to break new ground there are usually bumps...
I have to give Brad a ton of credit.. he was on SCT support like white on rice...
Yes and although I'm a dealer I am perfectly capable of bashing them lol....I never heard back from their "emergency support" and Steal blue had to wait til morning for resolution...I tried and I also followed up the next day because I too needed info on this.
And the descriptions in the software sucks and sometimes non existent but I've had other tuners tell me it's not their job to hold my hand lol so at least they make a ton of scalars available.
I will say, once I got ahold of support in the morning they were very helpful in getting the device unlocked...which required me to reflash the car again with their rescue stock file... And then because I like to verify I flashed the defunct tune again just to make sure it wasn't a communication blip the first time around..which required another call to SCT...another rescue file to be created..their support for me was pretty good.
If anyone with a 13+ wants to play around with this it will entail running an additional wire to the instrument cluster (position 18 if I remember right). When the vehicle is programmed for Perf. Package a ground signal to this changes the TSC/ESP status. If you are willing to tear it apart and have access to change the build data I am in for helping you out.
If you have a 10-12 and want to try to add it I believe its just build programming data so if you have access to playing with that can work on it together as well.
Just hit me up.
Thats an awesome offer, Jason!
X2!!!! Thanks for the offer!!
Quote from: jmr061 on October 30, 2016, 07:44:39 PM
If you have a 10-12 and want to try to add it I believe its just build programming data so if you have access to playing with that can work on it together as well.
Just hit me up.
Pardon my ignorance, but when you say Build Programming Data are you speaking of utilizing IDS, SCT, or something different needed to modify the code?
Thanks!!
Nevermind, looked up some older posts you had running concerning the Advanced Stability Control.. I wonder if similar changes can be made using a different platform to modify the ecu....
Anything that can write as built data. SCT does not do that.