A lot of you guys have asked for some specs on our tuners so here you go!
Livernois Motorsports Eco-boost tunes:
• Stage 1 - MyCal or SCT X-Cal 3 series: w/ transmission modifications only can use with 87 Octane.
• Stage 2 - MyCal or SCT X-Cal 3 series: w/ raised boost, increased timing, transmission- modifications with reduced torque management, and removed speed limiter Requires 91 or 93 octane fuel.
• Stage 3 - MyCal or SCT X-Cal 3 series: w/ raised boost, increased timing, transmission- modifications with less torque management than stage 2, removed speed limiter, and additional power over stage2 Requires 91 or 93 octane fuel.
• Stage 4 - MyCal or SCT X-Cal 3 series: w/ raised boost, increased timing, transmission- modifications with the least amount of torque management, removed speed limiter, and max power. Requires 91 or 93 octane.
• Stage 4+ - (Only compatible with MyCal series of tuners) is an improvement over stage 4 where it carries the boost out until the shiftpoint. All other versions of our tune mimic the factory boost curve and taper off at the higher RPM points. *Use at your own risk* we offer 91 and 93 octane tunes for this but they are aggressive. This is a more race oriented tune.
• Stage 5 - (Only Compatible with MyCal series of tuners) builds upon stage 4Plus, but is only compatible with the Livernois/Alky Controls Methanol system, 3-bar map, and using 100% pure race grade methanol (we use VP M-1). Requires 91 or 93 octane.
If you want to use any of these parts/ services in the future, only the MyCal tuners are compatible.
- Race gas tunes
- Livernois Billet Turbo Upgrade tuning
- Any "Custom" tuning
For the 2013+ Taurus, only the Non-Touch MyCal is compatible.
Please let us know if you have any questions or concerns, thanks -Brandon
It looks to me that I am running the best/safest tune for the street. Stage 4+/93. Thanks for the post. ;D
I moved this to your vendor forum so it won't get lost and stickied it.
Thanks we appreciate it. We also now have pistons and rods available for the Eco-boost. We are also working on our 2013
Focus ST for developing for as well.
Thanks,
Brandon
Livernois Motorsports
Brandon can you post up in a separate topic the prices of your Turbos, pistons/rods and head work? they're not on your site that I can find.
1st, thanks Brandon for having compiled & having posted all of this info. :thankyou:
I know SEVERAL of our members here, as well as elsewhere, have been desiring this "complete" list for a very, VERY LONG TIME.
So to that end, thank you would be stating it ever so mildly.
2nd, I hope that you have updated your company's website as well (not at home to check at the moment).
3rd, (mainly to 4DRHTRD) I would suspect that generic pricing may be disclosed (by LMS) for some of these items, but once you start getting into custom tuning, etc. I would imagine the price points charged, will be contingent on each individual car owner's mods, the amount of work involved (on their end) to "dial it in" etc.
Once again, to reiterate, thank you Brandon for having done all the behind the scenes work necessary in order to obtain, compile, and post all of this info. :bow:
Mike :beer:
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Great info. Thanks for putting it down.
Question - which tune were you guys using when your Explorer Sport ran the 13.40 and 3.27?
I'm anxiously waiting for updates on this project.
Art
Thanks for clarifying. So if I'm reading this correctly the myCAL is indeed capable of producing more power through sustained boost than the SCT tune? I assume this is for all years?
Do you guys do trade-ins on a slightly used SCT device?? :)
Quote from: ecoboostsho on July 23, 2013, 02:57:48 PM
Do you guys do trade-ins on a slightly used SCT device?? :)
Like a trade in for a new model!
Quote from: ecoboostsho on July 23, 2013, 02:57:48 PM
Thanks for clarifying. So if I'm reading this correctly the myCAL is indeed capable of producing more power through sustained boost than the SCT tune? I assume this is for all years?
Do you guys do trade-ins on a slightly used SCT device?? :)
Did you happen to purchase the SCT through us? -Chris
Yes I did. Feel free to PM me.
Thanks Chris! Now I have another decision to make. Very intrigued at this point!
Quote from: DJE624 on July 23, 2013, 04:00:15 PM
Thanks Chris! Now I have another decision to make. Very intrigued at this point!
No problem sir! Here to help in any way I can! -Chris
Quote from: ecoboostsho on July 23, 2013, 02:57:48 PM
Do you guys do trade-ins on a slightly used SCT device?? :)
This may be a question asked by many of us!
Thanks for the info and for updating the website. Can I assume that some (or all) of the tunes have evolved over the months or years - and that the information here is a description of the tunes now - but not necessarily descriptive of what we may have purchased 6 months or so ago? I got my tunes in January and was told I had 4+ but since I used the SCT, I guess I only have 4. I would swear it had more torque management than 3 but the information here suggests otherwise. I still love the tune so I am not complaining. I just kinda wish I had gone with the MyCal.
Quote from: Brucelinc on July 23, 2013, 04:19:18 PM
Quote from: ecoboostsho on July 23, 2013, 02:57:48 PM
Do you guys do trade-ins on a slightly used SCT device?? :)
This may be a question asked by many of us!
Thanks for the info and for updating the website. Can I assume that some (or all) of the tunes have evolved over the months or years - and that the information here is a description of the tunes now - but not necessarily descriptive of what we may have purchased 6 months or so ago? I got my tunes in January and was told I had 4+ but since I used the SCT, I guess I only have 4. I would swear it had more torque management than 3 but the information here suggests otherwise. I still love the tune so I am not complaining. I just kinda wish I had gone with the MyCal.
Please send me a PM so we can speak sir!
I'm with^^ in the same boat. I wish I would have bought the MyCal
You can at a nicely discounted rate if you purchased your SCT through us!
I'm getting it.
I was one of the very early buyers of the MYCAL touch and I have been running 4+ for a year or more. I would love to update my file library to include the 91 octane and the current 93 octane version. I have to travel into areas that have no 93 once or twice per year and I have to switch to Stage two for my 91 capability. I'd rather stay with 4+ and just switch versions for octane. Would you be willing to update my tune files?
Quote from: DJE624 on July 23, 2013, 06:02:05 PM
I'm getting it.
I am certainly interested and will pursue it tomorrow.
The thing is, I am really happy with the tune I have. The overall performance, idle quality, transmission behavior, fuel economy, etc. is excellent. Acceleration seems brutally strong - hard to imagine a 4400 pound AWD vehicle with a 2.77 gear moving much quicker without a helluva lot more engine. I am somewhat hesitant to change anything. If I raced the car and wanted to cut the absolute last hundreth off my ET, I would do it in a heartbeat regardless of cost.
Anyway, I applaud Livernois for all they are doing!
My question is how much is it to upgrade to the MyCal....well, I guess I could just send an e-mail to LMS... :bangin:
I am running Stage 4/93 with the SCT now and I love it! But that said, the parameters that can be reached with the Mycal do make a difference. The biggest difference is running the boost all the way to shift point. There should be a noticeable improvement in seat of the pants feel and get me easily into the mid 12's. I'll probably have to wait untill the morning to order it now. Brandon had called me back and I missed it. I was sitting right here with the phone and the all of a sudden I had a voice mail. These darn phones!
Quote from: mjhpadi on July 23, 2013, 06:49:41 PM
My question is how much is it to upgrade to the MyCal....well, I guess I could just send an e-mail to LMS... :bangin:
Check PM.
I did my order with Brandon over at LMS. He is a great guy and patient with me. I am kind of forgetful sometimes. I had to call him back a couple of times with questions.
I just got the notice that my MYCal has been picked up for delivery to me tomorrow morning!
Hopefully, I'll be spending the weekend sniping chryslers. YEEHAW!
Can't wait to upgrade to the LMS mycal with 4+ aggressive, with Intake, Exhaust and 170* thermo specs!!! Wonder how it will do as compared to the "old" stage 4 93 tune. (running for 30k+miles without issue)
If I get all the tunes I asked for I'll have 4/91, 4/93 and 4+/93. If 4+/93 is too brutal (I doubt it.) I'll use 4/93 for daily driving. 4/91 will be for travel. Then of course I'll have stock if I ever need it.
They tell me you can definitely feel the difference between 4 and 4+. I hope to find out as soon as my tunes show up. Tonight yet?
Quote from: DJE624 on July 26, 2013, 11:39:20 PM
If I get all the tunes I asked for I'll have 4/91, 4/93 and 4+/93. If 4+/93 is too brutal (I doubt it.) I'll use 4/93 for daily driving. 4/91 will be for travel. Then of course I'll have stock if I ever need it.
They tell me you can definitely feel the difference between 4 and 4+. I hope to find out as soon as my tunes show up. Tonight yet?
I felt a huge difference going down from 4+ to Stage 2/3 (my only 91 tune). I'm always super anxious to get 4+ back in there after a trip to low octane land.
On that note I've been trying to request an updated 91 version of Stage 4 from LMS and Anthony is so far not responding to me. Kinda feels like since I'm not new business anymore, I'm not too important.
Quote from: DJE624 on July 26, 2013, 11:39:20 PM
If I get all the tunes I asked for I'll have 4/91, 4/93 and 4+/93. If 4+/93 is too brutal (I doubt it.) I'll use 4/93 for daily driving. 4/91 will be for travel. Then of course I'll have stock if I ever need it.
They tell me you can definitely feel the difference between 4 and 4+. I hope to find out as soon as my tunes show up. Tonight yet?
I thought I read that 4+ was being called just 4 from now going forward. Did I get the wrong idea about that?
I running 4+too with the X3..and love it..
I understand that the "old" 4+ attributes on the SCT were incorporated into the newer version of 4. Now, they have a 4+ for the MyCal.
OMG. This just gets more and more convoluted and confusing. If software updates were named in this fashion we would never truly know what version we were and should be running.
LOL That's why we have 100 or so posts trying to figure out what's what. I can't wait until the Stage 4++ comes out!
Quote from: DJE624 on July 27, 2013, 11:13:36 AM
LOL That's why we have 100 or so posts trying to figure out what's what. I can't wait until the Stage 4++ comes out!
They will then proceed to rename it "The new stage 4"
I really only need 1 tune..1 option. The most aggressive program you can run for the octane you have available. Maybe a race tune for race gas...otherwise I don't see a need for so many "stages". I probably started this whole thing a couple years ago. As we were going thru revisions they were termed "stages".
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Yep..... it's all Darrell's fault folks..... :bangin:
They oughta name the last and final revision the "Darrell File". :whistle:
I'm running 4+ that's about a year old as my main tune, and I usually load an even older Stage 3 for when I worry about octane. I'd like to have the latest most aggressive tune for 93 octane for everyday use, and the most aggressive 91 octane for travel. Not doing well with email requests, maybe if I call I'll have better results.
WAHOO! Found my tune files waiting in the inbox this morning. Just needed patience I guess. Now I can't wait to load it up and see if I notice any difference. On another note anyone know if the other tuners can utilize the MYCAL touchscreen, or is LMS the only one?
So last September when I got the Mycal for my 2013 And requested the 93 Octane stage 4. Since then a stage 4+ is available and I can request it sent? I thought these tunes were all at our own risk! Give me more boost!
Quote from: 74d34h on July 28, 2013, 09:36:32 AM
So last September when I got the Mycal for my 2013 And requested the 93 Octane stage 4. Since then a stage 4+ is available and I can request it sent? I thought these tunes were all at our own risk! Give me more boost!
I agree and I think that we all understand that running any tune is pretty much an "at your own risk" kind of thing. I do remember that the first time 4+ came out, that there was an additional supplementary warning that came with it. I have to say that I have been running 4+ for a long time as my DD tune and I have found it to be very well mannered and not so "extreme" at all. Possibly it is just LMS being more comfortable with conservative settings.
I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on this, but had a question, is it possible to get both the 93 and 91 tunes? I can get 93 only at a few gas stations, so it would be nice if I knew I couldn't get 93 I could use the 91 tune...
Quote from: Scott13SHO on August 06, 2013, 10:24:19 AM
I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on this, but had a question, is it possible to get both the 93 and 91 tunes? I can get 93 only at a few gas stations, so it would be nice if I knew I couldn't get 93 I could use the 91 tune...
Absolutely. Most of us have multiple tunes for that same reason. When you first load the tune, it takes a bit longer because it will save the stock tune prior to installing the custom tune. After that, switching from one tune to another is quicker.
So what makes the 4+ more dangerous then the 4? Is the higher boost at shift point hard on the transmission slamming into the next gear?
91 vs 93 tunes, is their that much difference or could you just use the 91 to be a bit safer and available gas compatible?
Switching tunes, doesn't that reset your ltft and other learned data points?
2013 sport mode, whats the shifter do if you go from d to s? nothing now?
Quote from: dalum on August 21, 2013, 11:38:58 AM
So what makes the 4+ more dangerous then the 4? Is the higher boost at shift point hard on the transmission slamming into the next gear?
I don't know but for the 2013, there's no such thing as "stages"
91 vs 93 tunes, is their that much difference or could you just use the 91 to be a bit safer and available gas compatible?
I run 91 tune for 10 months. Switch to 93 recently and there is a difference. Not an "OH MY GOD" difference but still worth the try. I am keeping the 93 tune from now on!
Switching tunes, doesn't that reset your ltft and other learned data points?
From stock to 91 tune it did. Not sure it did from 91 tune to 93 though in my case.
2013 sport mode, whats the shifter do if you go from d to s? nothing now?
In "S" mode, the throotle response and throotle sensitivity are increase. Also, it will hold RPM in lower gears for a bit and won't shift into 6th. It seems to downshift faster also.
HTH
Stage 4 has raised boost, increased timing, transmission mods with the least amount of torque management, removed speed limiter, and max power. requires 91 or 93 octane.
Stage 4 plus has the same as stage 4 only difference is in 4 plus the boost is carried out until the shiftpoint. All other versions of our tunes mimic the factory boost curve and taper off at higher RPM points. Stage4 plus is a RACE ORIENTED tune.
Im the same way about tunes. All I want is Stock, Or the most aggressive tune/highest boost I can possibly run on 93octane without Cats. :D
I just hope thats what Im running. lol Someday when the bike is done, ill sell my Programmer and buy a MyCal and Meth.
Quote from: BigPelo on August 21, 2013, 02:24:46 PM
I don't know but for the 2013, there's no such thing as "stages"
HTH
I didn't think there was either but their page for the 13 shows all of the stages as options now. Oh nm, i found it in a wall of text "For the 2013+ Taurus... Also, our performance tune for these is most closely compared to our 4Plus tune."
Ha dalum I gave you a think you just because your SHO is BLUE and I LOVE MY KONA BLUE.LOL NOW back too the tune. All 4 stages of tunes were add together when the 2013's came out but early on there was still some talk about the 13's having different tunes but the only differents are in 91oct or 98oct the only 2 tunes for the 2013's( WILL THAT NOT ALL TURE? There a new V+4f or something coming out for all the cars soon)!!!!!!!!!
So I'll be looking at picking a mycal up soon along with an intake. When purchased they ship with multiple tunes right? And are they tailored to the mods that are on the vehicle or are they all the same ots?
My concern is whether or not i would need a full exhaust to run a 4+ tune. Or if the one you sent me would be geared for me only having an intake.
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You do not need any (other) mods to run 4+. Just tell them you have an intake. They will send you a link to download the tunes after you send them the ECU info. You can ask for a few different tunes, like 91 Octane for travelling, etc. I have 4/91, 4/93 and 4+/93.
Anything for 2014 Explorer Sport yet?
Oh yeah....
I have a 14 xplorer sport.
I got the Tstat, colder plugs, intake, my cal and the 3bar sensor for when the XV1 tune is available.(all from LMS)
Had a delay with install so, I just flashed my truck with the 91 performance tune!!!
Just stock with the 91 tune there is very noticeable differences...
It's sucks you back into the seat and really moves..
I can't wait to have everything else installed and flash truck with the 93 performance with high boost option...and even better when the XV1 tune is released....
There are no stages for 2014 xploreres...
Cool beans! Enjoy the newly discovered power :ok:
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Quote from: TouchOfEvil on October 04, 2013, 07:08:28 PM
Placed an order for tune and t-stat today for my 14 explorer sport. Can't wait to see how she does.
Sounds good! You're gonna love it.
So far I'm having a blast driving just the 91 performance tune...
Gonna run the 93 high boost once I install the Tstat, CAI, and colder plugs...
Your gonna love it..
It's like the twin turbo should have come stock..Way better performance..
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Just piecing it together that the Mycal tuner I purchased from this forum will not work if I buy a 2013. Well that is a kick in the junk. Check out the for sale section if someone wants to upgrade their tuner.
There is a newer model 'MyCal' device for the 2013.
If you purchased a 2010-2012 model, then I would think the seller should've informed you of that fact (unless they didn't know?).
What may be a paper weight for you, is treasure for someone else (with the appropriate model year).
"Sent while on the road, burn'n meth, screeching tires, winding out the gears, & push'n the twins"
Quote from: bpd1151 on October 15, 2013, 09:40:42 AM
There is a newer model 'MyCal' device for the 2013.
If you purchased a 2010-2012 model, then I would think the seller should've informed you of that fact (unless they didn't know?).
What may be a paper weight for you, is treasure for someone else (with the appropriate model year).
"Sent while on the road, burn'n meth, screeching tires, winding out the gears, & push'n the twins"
Check out the for sale section.
So let me get this straight. If I get a tune now with just my Airaid on the car and later I add catless downpipes, will I have to pay for another tune?
To put it simply, do I have to pay for a new tune every time I do an upgrade to my car that warrants a new tune?
Does the aforementioned fall in the category of "custom tuning"?
No
LMS will update your tunes at no charge whenever there are updates on their end or yours.
You just have to send them all your data again like you did the first time.
Quote from: bigmoneycloser on October 15, 2013, 11:44:20 AM
No
LMS will update your tunes at no charge whenever there are updates on their end or yours.
You just have to send them all your data again like you did the first time.
That's is what they told me anyway...
That is what I understand too.
Cool, thanks!
Should I just shell out the extra 200 and go for the mycal? I imagine it being a whole lot more user friendly.
I see a lot of you like to run 91 for traveling, makes a whole lotta sense to me, locally I can run 93 for sure though, would they throw both on there?
For me, the base MyCal is fine. I also run Torque so I pretty much have all I need. They sent me 91 and 93 files. When you send them your ECU info, just tell them what you want. They should give you at least three tune files of whatever you want. I have 4/91, 4/93 and 4+/93. That's all I really need right now.
With my tuner for 14 xsport I got 4 plus stock.
I have the stock, 89 Performance, 91 Performance, 93 Performance and 93-high boost Performance.
The 93-high boost will be replaced with XV1 whenever that is released...
Tune is installed, i put in the 93 normal tune for now. But i get some not so friendly wheelhop on the 1-2 shift now. It just grabs and goes off the line but that 1-2 is a bit nasty.
Wonder if i go to the 93 hi boost if it will just spin a bit instead.
Does anyone know if you need a CAI in conjunction with a tune? I'm doing my mods in phases and I was planning on just doing a K&N drop in.
I was told you could run the 93 performance tune on stock vehicle..
The plugs, Tstat, intake are all just recommended for better performance..
But with XV1, you will have to run the 3bar map...
MyCal Instructions from LMS
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;pic=298 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;pic=298)
The LMS tune for the 13 is equivalent to the Stage 4+. You can get it in 91 Octane.
http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/categories/Ford/2013%252b-Taurus-SHO/2013%252b-Taurus-SHO-Tuning/ (http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/categories/Ford/2013%252b-Taurus-SHO/2013%252b-Taurus-SHO-Tuning/)
They aren't cooler but you should already have the SP534's in there. They'll be fine. You may want to make sure they are gapped at 30.
I am a 69 year old semi retired automotive fuel systems engineer.
Does anyone know the Static flow rate on the OEM injectors.
Is the .55BSFC figure correct for these direct injection engines?
Ordered the 2013 Tuner from Livernois today.
As I understand this is a stage 4 tune only.
My 2013 SHO is stock with the OEM performance Package.
Does anyone have experience with this tune on a 2013 SHO with the PP?
Do I need to get the OEM cal info, send it to them & then download the correct tune to the SCT unit?
Thanks in advance for any information regarding my questions above.
Welcome to EBPF mjlkwolfe@gmail.com! :WELCOME:
Quote from: mjlkwolfe@gmail.com on February 02, 2014, 11:53:52 AM
I am a 69 year old semi retired automotive fuel systems engineer.
Does anyone know the Static flow rate on the OEM injectors.
Is the .55BSFC figure correct for these direct injection engines?
Ordered the 2013 Tuner from Livernois today.
As I understand this is a stage 4 tune only.
My 2013 SHO is stock with the OEM performance Package.
Does anyone have experience with this tune on a 2013 SHO with the PP?
Do I need to get the OEM cal info, send it to them & then download the correct tune to the SCT unit?
Thanks in advance for any information regarding my questions above.
Here's a few of your answers: •Be sure to go a heat range lower on your spark plugs with the LMS tune and reduce the gap to 0.30 (OEM is 0.35-0.38)
•Changing to a 170 degree thermostat is also recommended
•Plenty of folks here with PP SHO... including 13's ... No real problems reported running it stock or with mods.
•The current LMS tune is the equivalent of their 4+ with options for 91 or 93 octane. A description is on the LMS site.
•LMS will need the strategy code. The instructons to obtain it using the MyCal tuner are here: http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=1807.msg23660#msg23660 (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php?topic=1807.msg23660#msg23660)
•LMS no longer uses SCT for the '13+ SHO and only Mycal is available from them. Compatibility of the tunes with SCT will have to come from them or someone else as I'm ignorant of this. Unleashed offers SCT devices and tunes for the SHO. Others can weigh in with opinions and info in this regard.
Look forward to picking your brain on the fuel issues.
It seems that the current tunes are limited by fuel delivery... basically as far as tunes the car is "out of gas" although development continues. 4DR developed an auxiliary fuel pump set-up that worked pretty well in his 600+ WHP Flex which as you know, is a transverse 3.5 TT EB just like the one in the SHO. I have looked at it with him... but he could better explain. He is able to reproduce it.
Hope this helps some.
BSFC (Brake Specific Fuel Consumption) is going to vary by load & rpm/hp, so not sure what data is publicly available.
Here is a brief article on Ecoboost engines that may be of interest? http://greenfuelsforecast.com/ArticleDetails.php?articleID=748 (http://greenfuelsforecast.com/ArticleDetails.php?articleID=748)
We will update your tune files at no extra charge to you. All we need you guys to do is email us with all of your info. Tuner serial number, customer name, any mods that have been done, and the new files you are looking for. Keep in mind though that it does take anywhere from 24-48 business hours to get the tune file requests sent out.
Guess I'll post this here...
Was just wondering if theres anyone out there running the 4plus+ tune and how it feels to you?
I loaded it up yesterday for a trip around town and wow it was impressive...gas pedal was very responsive with very little turbo lag...could feel a little harder shift but not to extreme at all...
I've been running LMS Stage 4+ 93 octane since mid March this year. I love it, I detuned to stage4 for my trip to Hilton Head to see my parents. I got 24.5mpg running anywhere from 65-80 mph. Put 4+ back in when we got home. I use my car as a daily drive too.
thanks for the feedback bamsho....I just recently got tune package and it has the 93-4, 93-4+, 93-4plus+, stock and a 91-4+....do you have the extra 4plus+ version also
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That looks like my SHO on the Livernois banner.....?? Live Free or Die on the plate??