Fomo, I'm going to try a little test for you sometime this weekend. I'm going to pull 10 degrees timing and change the "min allowed learned octane for knock learning" from -1 down to -2
I expect to see my LOR to go below -1 in that case....Currently in my tune I sit between -.80 and -.96
I think you maybe looking too deep into the LOR stuff....I treat it like a LTFT but for spark...I don't think you have to worry about changing those values and the knock strategy, that stuff is separate as far as the total amount the knock sensors can add or pull and also degrees per second that the sensors can add or pull. And at what load and speeds the knock sensors are allowed to add and pull.
If you are at constantly at -1 LOR then I'd say you have 1 of 2 things going on or both even. Your fuel octane is higher than you think and or your spark curve in under advanced.
If I leave the -1 value alone and keep advancing my spark curve then It should never get to -1.
If I pull timing and lower the -1 to -2 then the ECU will continue to scale the spark curve until it's happy with the amount of knock it's seeing..To me it's kinda like the threshold limits that are in the STFT's for the 02 sensors......They are around +-25%....You could just use whatever fuel you want and have a bad fuel curve and mix fuels and let the 02 sensors adjust but that's not ideal...a well tuned car will have STFT's less than 5% and less than 3% if you are good otherwise the LTFT's will make a long range scaling
So I could pull all this timing then let the LOR make the adjustment but I'd rather have the base spark tables closer to where they should be
FOMO did torrie activate some of the "end user options" for you? You could always add a couple degrees and see if your LOR raises and goes closer to 0....Didn't you say you are consistently at -1?
Yeah it is pegged at -1 and doesn't change.
No, the full options in the handheld are not unlocked.
I can make a global timing change but nothing by RPM.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 12, 2016, 03:43:43 PM
Yeah it is pegged at -1 and doesn't change.
No, the full options in the handheld are not unlocked.
I can make a global timing change but nothing by RPM.
Add 2-3 degrees globally and see if that raises your lor
Quote from: AJP turbo on March 12, 2016, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 12, 2016, 03:43:43 PM
Yeah it is pegged at -1 and doesn't change.
No, the full options in the handheld are not unlocked.
I can make a global timing change but nothing by RPM.
Add 2-3 degrees globally and see if that raises your lor
Slow and steady is how I roll, I will add 1 and if I don't see a change I will move to 2 and then 3.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 12, 2016, 04:39:32 PM
Quote from: AJP turbo on March 12, 2016, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 12, 2016, 03:43:43 PM
Yeah it is pegged at -1 and doesn't change.
No, the full options in the handheld are not unlocked.
I can make a global timing change but nothing by RPM.
Add 2-3 degrees globally and see if that raises your lor
Slow and steady is how I roll, I will add 1 and if I don't see a change I will move to 2 and then 3.
Yeah nothing wrong with that....but being that you are pegged at -1 tells me your fuel mix is good...but like burger king have it your way
Added 1 degree of WOT timing, still no KR activity or OAR (LOR) change.
Go for 2?
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 19, 2016, 08:55:05 PM
Added 1 degree of WOT timing, still no KR activity or OAR (LOR) change.
Go for 2?
Just thought of something.....hold please
Looking at the knock sensor strategy. I don't think anything over 4000 RPM and or 1.5 load I don't think will affect LOR/OAR
So FOMO You added 1 degree to WOT only. once you exceed 4k and or 1.5 load it won't apply any recorded knock activity to the LOR/OAR so you could keep adding spark to WOT and I don't think it will change anything....Except if you keep adding you should start seeing knock retard at wot....So you should reach a point where you keep adding spark but the knock sensor will just keep pulling it out
bump
Added another degree at WOT, saw a max of .8 of Kr for a brief second, so basically no change.
Oar still pegged at -1 peak boost was 17 PSI
Raised rev limit to 6400 as well.
So I added another degree of WOT timing yesterday (3 total) and raised rev limit to 6500
Took her out for some beatings and hit the REV limiter on the first WOT upshift from 1-2
I didn't see much KR till a rough high RPM downshift and was rewarded with a 6.8 spike.
Today however, beatings resulted in perfect upshifts and .8 KR max, still saw some advance during parts of the run.
Peak boost of 17, OAR still unchanged.
The tranny behaved with no nasty downshifts. Adaptive learning doing its job?
Interesting stuff! It could be adaptive learning or maybe it was just a fluke blip of Knock? One question I do have is while the strategy/tune may not actually affect LOR directly over 4K RPM / 1.5 load I wonder once the LOR value has changed if it affects the WOT timing?
In other words if you have a LOR of -.5 I have always assumed that would factor in to the calculation of the total timing you would see at WOT but maybe I'm wrong in my assumption and the car just relies on the Knock Sensor to pull timing (which I wouldn't like)...
Thanks for experimenting
The way i see it...the lor/oar value affect all spark...but the knock sensor readings above those those load and rpm will not change lor/oar....so knock sensor supervises the actual spark at wot
With questionable fuel quality a possibility and my tendencies to play amateur chemist with my fuel, I'm glad the knock sensor is still in charge above 4500.
Ive thought about changing the scalars in the knock strategy so the knock sensor reading above 1.5 load and 4k would contribute to the oar value...but the oem did it that way and im not sure why....not that the oem cant be improved on but i just dont know what it would help
It would probably lower my oar and scale my spark down if it used the knock retard readings from my wot....but i dont always get knock retard with how i have it now.....so id rather keep the spark scaled more aggressive and ride the edge and if i get knock at wot let the knock sensors do what they do
Tried anyway,...I made the knock sensor contribute to OAR up to 1.7 load from 1.4 and to 5800 rpm up from 4k....So basically anytime the knock sensor reads it will contribute to OAR.....My OAR went from .-96 to -.81
So cruise and light throttle the fact that I never knocked made my OAR max out in the good direction and it scaled some more spark in for me....And any KR I got above 4k and WOT wouldn't bring my OAR closer to 0 but now that I let the areas of KR during WOT affect OAR it took it closer to 0
Kinda cool....So I could add some spark to light throttle but if it causes KR it may raise my OAR more and scale everything more retard then I would have to add a little more spark to WOT to get it back to where it was.....That's why the knock sensors are awesome....they will add and retard as they see fit to ride the edge of knock making the most power all the time...I wanted to see my OAR raise a little to see what I was leaving on the table since I had the min allowed OAR at -1 like stock...being at -.96 I wasn't sure if it wanted a little more...Now that it's -81 I know I'm at the limit for my fuel
@AJPTurbo
Are you going to leave it like that for now and see if it changes over multiple tanks?
No, that showed me something on the knock strategy....I was going to add a bit more spark at wot and I don't want to retune all the tables...SO I'm actually going to let it go lower than -1 maybe like -1.2 so it will maybe give the part throttle a little more spark and it should also add to the WOT
When I was previously showing -.96 and think it was really -1
For some reason I think the display is truncated or something
I was going to have my OAR between -.5 and -1 but then I'd have to retune the spark..Ford spent a lot of time I'm sure on part throttle spark so I'm not gonna waste time there...I don't see the need to spend time maximizing spark at cruise....If I want more power I'll just step on the gas...I'll let the OAR do it for me
Note: when mixing in Ethanol into a tune that already taxes the fuel system be prepared for lower than expected Fuel Pressure.... wowza!!! 850psi.... a bit further away from the normal dips I see lol...
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 25, 2017, 09:54:33 AM
Note: when mixing in Ethanol into a tune that already taxes the fuel system be prepared for lower than expected Fuel Pressure.... wowza!!! 850psi.... a bit further away from the normal dips I see lol...
Uhhhh, how much did you put in?
That's about than half of what I'm getting!
Also, you've got mail!
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 25, 2017, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 25, 2017, 09:54:33 AM
Note: when mixing in Ethanol into a tune that already taxes the fuel system be prepared for lower than expected Fuel Pressure.... wowza!!! 850psi.... a bit further away from the normal dips I see lol...
Uhhhh, how much did you put in?
That's about than half of what I'm getting!
2.5 Gallons..
Mind you... my current tune doesn't account for any E l, still .80 lambse.
Not sure why it took such a dive... only in 1st gear... 1500psi in second... 1700 or so in third...
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 25, 2017, 03:23:36 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 25, 2017, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 25, 2017, 09:54:33 AM
Note: when mixing in Ethanol into a tune that already taxes the fuel system be prepared for lower than expected Fuel Pressure.... wowza!!! 850psi.... a bit further away from the normal dips I see lol...
Uhhhh, how much did you put in?
That's about than half of what I'm getting!
2.5 Gallons..
Mind you... my current tune doesn't account for any E l, still .80 lambse.
Well, you need that changed to .85 ASAP!
I sent you a present to help you calculate your correct stoich setting.
I do 5.75-6 gallons at fillup depending on tank level.
Have I mentioned I get almost 27 degrees of spark advance?
This thing pulls hard everywhere...
Punch it at 80 and it will jerk the wheel....
Even with the OEM paper filter, lol.
........ I get 20.5 degrees advance on 93 alone... at 14.5psi...
Although how much boost are you targeting? Makes a difference in spark...
I'm already talking to Brad about updating my tune to account for the added corn.
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 25, 2017, 03:35:42 PM
........ I get 20.5 degrees advance on 93 alone... at 14.5psi...
Although how much boost are you targeting? Makes a difference in spark...
I'm already talking to Brad about updating my tune to account for the added corn.
15, as the temps improve I might start moving toward 17 but i dunno....more boost equals more IAT2 heat.
There is a huge difference in how the car feels between 20 and 27....It's made me a spark junkie and Brad is my dealer.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 25, 2017, 03:39:52 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 25, 2017, 03:35:42 PM
........ I get 20.5 degrees advance on 93 alone... at 14.5psi...
Although how much boost are you targeting? Makes a difference in spark...
I'm already talking to Brad about updating my tune to account for the added corn.
15, as the temps improve I might start moving toward 17 but i dunno....more boost equals more IAT2 heat.
There is a huge difference in how the car feels between 20 and 27....It's made me a spark junkie and Brad is my dealer.
I have seen a lot of datalogs... the 13+ SHO's must have better logic to assist in fuel pressure... I see 13+s hitting 2400 psi at the rail, sometimes more, and mine never goes above 2250psi...like most 2010-2012's
The rail pressure curves are very different!
Makes me a sad panda because ambient temps really play havoc on my fuel pressure...
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 25, 2017, 03:51:01 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 25, 2017, 03:39:52 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 25, 2017, 03:35:42 PM
........ I get 20.5 degrees advance on 93 alone... at 14.5psi...
Although how much boost are you targeting? Makes a difference in spark...
I'm already talking to Brad about updating my tune to account for the added corn.
15, as the temps improve I might start moving toward 17 but i dunno....more boost equals more IAT2 heat.
There is a huge difference in how the car feels between 20 and 27....It's made me a spark junkie and Brad is my dealer.
I have seen a lot of datalogs... the 13+ SHO's must have better logic to assist in fuel pressure... I see 13+s hitting 2400 psi at the rail, sometimes more, and mine never goes above 2250psi...like most 2010-2012's
The rail pressure curves are very different!
Makes me a sad panda because ambient temps really play havoc on my fuel pressure...
You might want to have him rescale your OAR as well.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 25, 2017, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 25, 2017, 03:51:01 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 25, 2017, 03:39:52 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 25, 2017, 03:35:42 PM
........ I get 20.5 degrees advance on 93 alone... at 14.5psi...
Although how much boost are you targeting? Makes a difference in spark...
I'm already talking to Brad about updating my tune to account for the added corn.
15, as the temps improve I might start moving toward 17 but i dunno....more boost equals more IAT2 heat.
There is a huge difference in how the car feels between 20 and 27....It's made me a spark junkie and Brad is my dealer.
I have seen a lot of datalogs... the 13+ SHO's must have better logic to assist in fuel pressure... I see 13+s hitting 2400 psi at the rail, sometimes more, and mine never goes above 2250psi...like most 2010-2012's
The rail pressure curves are very different!
Makes me a sad panda because ambient temps really play havoc on my fuel pressure...
You might want to have him rescale your OAR as well.
Why the need to rescale OAR? I admittedly don't know enough about the scaling of OAR, haven't really compared the spark at different OAR's...
But in theory, it scales based on input from the knock sensor, not sure why you would need to rescale it for the added octane of E85?
@ SBS
http://www.cobbtuning.com/ford-ecoboost-and-the-octane-adjust-ratio-monitor/ (http://www.cobbtuning.com/ford-ecoboost-and-the-octane-adjust-ratio-monitor/)
I think it adds a layer of safety when running very high octane beyond the limits of -1....
Basically it gives you resolution beyond -1... With power so far beyond -1, I think that's a good thing. You will never know there is a fuel issue with corn at -1.....-1.2 will tell you if you effed up your blend or got a tank of less that perfect gas or corn.
Part throttle response is improved as well IMHO I'd suspect due to spark advance.
I would like to scale it farther as I think it would be a great tool to really compare what blends tolerate different OARS but for some reason (Brad told me and I don't remember) that -1.2 is max.
I'm still pegged at -1.2 (-1.15 in SCT) but I did have an event which scaled my OAR back a while ago.
Whoever split that off, thanks!
I had to walk AFK for a bit.
SBS, I will be watching closely how this develops for you.
Your results will have an impact on what we decide to do vehicle wise next year.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 25, 2017, 05:13:25 PM
SBS, I will be watching closely how this develops for you.
Your results will have an impact on what we decide to do vehicle wise next year.
Yea, we will see... I'm curious how well my car will respond.. I know keeping the lambse at .80 with an E20ish mix coupled with the cooler ambient is hard on my fuel pressure...
I understand the basics of OAR, but didn't know what scaling it past -.96 would do. This is a good thread and good link you posted! Thanks!
What do you have planned for next year?
Quote from: StealBlueSho on February 25, 2017, 05:25:26 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on February 25, 2017, 05:13:25 PM
SBS, I will be watching closely how this develops for you.
Your results will have an impact on what we decide to do vehicle wise next year.
Yea, we will see... I'm curious how well my car will respond.. I know keeping the lambse at .80 with an E20ish mix coupled with the cooler ambient is hard on my fuel pressure...
I understand the basics of OAR, but didn't know what scaling it past -.96 would do. This is a good thread and good link you posted! Thanks!
What do you have planned for next year?
So many options I'm not sure yet...
One is giving Sparkie to the Mrs and getting a gen 4.1 SHO for myself and getting a motor built, big snails, and a big DI pump so I can go crazy with corn. When I'm ready to do the motor I'd like to turn up the wick on the stocker till it pops....for science, ya know, lol.
I'm hooked on corn.... 14.5 psi with 25 degrees of advance... knock sensor still wants to add more....no KR anywhere...
Can't get good logs right now, traction is a problem... too cold.
Corn on the cob ... butter ... salt ... YUM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on March 03, 2017, 07:02:14 PM
I'm hooked on corn.... 14.5 psi with 25 degrees of advance... knock sensor still wants to add more....no KR anywhere...
Can't get good logs right now, traction is a problem... too cold.
Boost is nice but boost with a ton of spark feels incredible.
I had so much spark, I couldn't get to my boost target cause it didn't need it to hit demanded torque. The solution was to up the power.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 03, 2017, 11:41:01 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on March 03, 2017, 07:02:14 PM
I'm hooked on corn.... 14.5 psi with 25 degrees of advance... knock sensor still wants to add more....no KR anywhere...
Can't get good logs right now, traction is a problem... too cold.
Boost is nice but boost with a ton of spark feels incredible.
I had so much spark, I couldn't get to my boost target cause it didn't need it to hit demanded torque. The solution was to up the power.
I'm tired of jumping threads to respond to you... lol...
Yea, you were at 27 degrees of spark? Brad seems to think I should be good where I am at since I'm just shy of MBT for my current load... but said depending on my fuel pressure he might want to add more... dunno... like I said... tires cant get warm enough to get a good 0-100 log...
Quote from: StealBlueSho on March 03, 2017, 11:45:20 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 03, 2017, 11:41:01 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on March 03, 2017, 07:02:14 PM
I'm hooked on corn.... 14.5 psi with 25 degrees of advance... knock sensor still wants to add more....no KR anywhere...
Can't get good logs right now, traction is a problem... too cold.
Boost is nice but boost with a ton of spark feels incredible.
I had so much spark, I couldn't get to my boost target cause it didn't need it to hit demanded torque. The solution was to up the power.
I'm tired of jumping threads to respond to you... lol...
Yea, you were at 27 degrees of spark? Brad seems to think I should be good where I am at since I'm just shy of MBT for my current load... but said depending on my fuel pressure he might want to add more... dunno... like I said... tires cant get warm enough to get a good 0-100 log...
My spark limit is at 27 and I'm hitting 26.75 peak. Once summer fuel arrives I suspect we will ride the limit. I'm also not opposed to blending up a bit if necessary. Or dumping a couple of bottles of HEET in the tank.
Better life through chemistry....
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 03, 2017, 11:53:52 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on March 03, 2017, 11:45:20 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 03, 2017, 11:41:01 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on March 03, 2017, 07:02:14 PM
I'm hooked on corn.... 14.5 psi with 25 degrees of advance... knock sensor still wants to add more....no KR anywhere...
Can't get good logs right now, traction is a problem... too cold.
Boost is nice but boost with a ton of spark feels incredible.
I had so much spark, I couldn't get to my boost target cause it didn't need it to hit demanded torque. The solution was to up the power.
I'm tired of jumping threads to respond to you... lol...
Yea, you were at 27 degrees of spark? Brad seems to think I should be good where I am at since I'm just shy of MBT for my current load... but said depending on my fuel pressure he might want to add more... dunno... like I said... tires cant get warm enough to get a good 0-100 log...
My spark limit is at 27 and I'm hitting 26.75 peak. Once summer fuel arrives I suspect we will ride the limit. I'm also not opposed to blending up a bit if necessary. Or dumping a couple of bottles of HEET in the tank.
Better life through chemistry....
I can pretty much duplicate both those situations. Got to the spark limit of my E20 tune and wanted to see what was left with a higher blend since FRP was still solid. Got the same verdict from Brad saying i was approaching MBT. There is a ceiling for everything and you reach a point of diminishing returns. Not to mention i've learned that spark can be a very powerful . . . but potentially dangerous thing. And if i was a payed tuner i wouldn't shy away from the idea of backing off of MBT a bit, commanding a little more boost and ultimately making more low end torque instead of being a peak HP queen.
That being said, i still might be curious to make the man give me a 100octane/E20 tune come track season.
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 03, 2017, 11:53:52 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on March 03, 2017, 11:45:20 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 03, 2017, 11:41:01 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on March 03, 2017, 07:02:14 PM
I'm hooked on corn.... 14.5 psi with 25 degrees of advance... knock sensor still wants to add more....no KR anywhere...
Can't get good logs right now, traction is a problem... too cold.
Boost is nice but boost with a ton of spark feels incredible.
I had so much spark, I couldn't get to my boost target cause it didn't need it to hit demanded torque. The solution was to up the power.
I'm tired of jumping threads to respond to you... lol...
Yea, you were at 27 degrees of spark? Brad seems to think I should be good where I am at since I'm just shy of MBT for my current load... but said depending on my fuel pressure he might want to add more... dunno... like I said... tires cant get warm enough to get a good 0-100 log...
My spark limit is at 27 and I'm hitting 26.75 peak. Once summer fuel arrives I suspect we will ride the limit. I'm also not opposed to blending up a bit if necessary. Or dumping a couple of bottles of HEET in the tank.
Better life through chemistry....
Yup, he told me he set my spark limit to 25, and the bit of logging I am able to do right now shows I am maxing out my spark.. brad wants more logs, just haven't had time to or good weather to do it.
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Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 03, 2017, 11:41:01 PM
Quote from: StealBlueSho on March 03, 2017, 07:02:14 PM
I'm hooked on corn.... 14.5 psi with 25 degrees of advance... knock sensor still wants to add more....no KR anywhere...
Can't get good logs right now, traction is a problem... too cold.
Boost is nice but boost with a ton of spark feels incredible.
I had so much spark, I couldn't get to my boost target cause it didn't need it to hit demanded torque. The solution was to up the power.
I'm tired of jumping threads to respond to you... lol...
Yea, you were at 27 degrees of spark? Brad seems to think I should be good where I am at since I'm just shy of MBT for my current load... but said depending on my fuel pressure he might want to add more... dunno... like I said... tires cant get warm enough to get a good 0-100 log...
My spark limit is at 27 and I'm hitting 26.75 peak. Once summer fuel arrives I suspect we will ride the limit. I'm also not opposed to blending up a bit if necessary. Or dumping a couple of bottles of HEET in the tank.
Better life through chemistry....
I can pretty much duplicate both those situations. Got to the spark limit of my E20 tune and wanted to see what was left with a higher blend since FRP was still solid. Got the same verdict from Brad saying i was approaching MBT. There is a ceiling for everything and you reach a point of diminishing returns. Not to mention i've learned that spark can be a very powerful . . . but potentially dangerous thing. And if i was a payed tuner i wouldn't shy away from the idea of backing off of MBT a bit, commanding a little more boost and ultimately making more low end torque instead of being a peak HP queen.
That being said, i still might be curious to make the man give me a 100octane/E20 tune come track season.
In Ford, Brad, and my knock sensors I trust...I log constantly and even when I'm not I'm always watching the X4. I understand the risks involved and there is inherent risk seeing how far the platform can be pushed.
On the wild end of the spectrum we've got BPD showing us what can be done while spending your kids inheritance. On the mild end you've got me exploring what can be had with nothing but a tune, 3 bar, and a little corn. I've saved enough in fuel cost running E to pay for my mods. Both methods provide valuable data for other owners to decide what direction they'd like to go and what performance level can be expected.
Horsepower isn't real, all I care about is my torque and how far I can carry it. Max torque is 500 RPM or a downshift away anywhere I ask for it. Peak HP queen isn't even close to accurate.
Still using ACES, FoMo?
Quote from: SHOdded on March 04, 2017, 12:31:55 PM
Still using ACES, FoMo?
Once a month for preventive maintenance.
I'm nearing 20K so almost time to have MrsFoMoCoSHO get my valves inspected.
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In Ford, Brad, and my knock sensors I trust...I log constantly and even when I'm not I'm always watching the X4. I understand the risks involved and there is inherent risk seeing how far the platform can be pushed.
On the wild end of the spectrum we've got BPD showing us what can be done while spending your kids inheritance. On the mild end you've got me exploring what can be had with nothing but a tune, 3 bar, and a little corn. I've saved enough in fuel cost running E to pay for my mods. Both methods provide valuable data for other owners to decide what direction they'd like to go and what performance level can be expected.
Horsepower isn't real, all I care about is my torque and how far I can carry it. Max torque is 500 RPM or a downshift away anywhere I ask for it. Peak HP queen isn't even close to accurate.
i completely agree with the above statement and i'm taking a similar approach to yours. i wasn't calling anybody specifically a hp queen but rather advocating for a torque under the curve tune instead of peak hp tune that a lot of aftermarket companies like to tout.
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I just jumped on the e30 train... I like it... gas mileage has went down a good bit though. I looked yesterday, it said 12.5mpg..
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on March 17, 2017, 07:48:33 AM
I just jumped on the e30 train... I like it... gas mileage has went down a good bit though. I looked yesterday, it said 12.5mpg..
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Lol... keep your foot out of it...
Easier said than done... car keeps a permanent grin on my face
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I hear that... good thing mine stays in the garage most of the time.. I need to send Brad some logs with the latest E20 tune but weather is not great.
I was debating on meth or nitrous but I might just wait for the new HPFP and run more E.... not sure how high I want to turn it up though.... it's pretty beastly right now... 14.5psi holding with 25+ work of spark..and I'm not even tickling KR... just wants to keep adding...
Quote from: f8tlSHO on March 17, 2017, 07:48:33 AM
I just jumped on the e30 train... I like it... gas mileage has went down a good bit though. I looked yesterday, it said 12.5mpg..
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That happens when you beat the hell out of her,...
Jesus that's worse than my straight E85 tune, lol
I'm around 19 with a 50-50 mix of city/hwy. If I drive her nicely I can get close to 21 but I can't tolerate that for long.
Just curious, is you OAR scaled higher?
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Quote from: f8tlSHO on March 17, 2017, 07:48:33 AM
I just jumped on the e30 train... I like it... gas mileage has went down a good bit though. I looked yesterday, it said 12.5mpg..
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That happens when you beat the hell out of her,...
Jesus that's worse than my straight E85 tune, lol
I'm around 19 with a 50-50 mix of city/hwy. If I drive her nicely I can get close to 21 but I can't tolerate that for long.
Just curious, is you OAR scaled higher?
That is a question for ajpturbo... I don't know. I really haven't been pounding on the car other than for logs... kids are always with me. They love riding in the sho
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