Is there anyone that's halfway, almost, a little bit, maybe might have potentially kept up with my car?
At any rate, my transmission is going out! AGAIN! Needless to say I am NOT a happy camper. Not worried about money as I have extended warranty to cover. Ford rebuilt this transmission about 12k miles ago. (just over 1 1/2 year). If this is the craftsmanship, reliability and workmanship that Ford is putting out, then I might just be done. Car will be at dealer on Monday or Tuesday. Car may be for sale the following Monday or Tuesday.
Anyway, car shutters. Meaning at a slow acceleration car jumps, stumbles and bumps. 3rd gear is the worse but gears 3-6 are all doing it. 3rd and 6th gear just more pronounced. To test I reloaded tune. Same problem. Loaded stock tune, even worse. Has anyone else had this many problems with Ford transmissions?
Now Im kinda scared to drive car cuz I don't want to get stranded. My truck was vandalized so its outta commission now.
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Dave think your last resort might be to drain the capacitor from the PCM by following this link,BTW any leaks ?if so could be a torque converter seal,did you get a chance to check the trans fluid level,could be low IMO,best of luck. Z https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZAsoqmqhdM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZAsoqmqhdM)
Doesn't exhibit behaviors of low fluid. Seems more like a control issue. When trans was first repaired couple years ago, I complained about hard shifts and shuttering. They could not verify the shuttering. But claim hard shifts and clunking were normal. Which is BS. But I had them to document it in case this happens.
Not sure I want to reset PCM myself as car still has warranty. If I mask a problem it may not return until warranty is up. Rather they deal with it now. Also, Ford made last repair. I will be on them to pay for repair and NOT insurance. At least I will try.
In addition, have you noted any fuel smell (leaky injector), pulled any codes from the PCM (misfire)? A fried PCM could also be to blame. It surely does sound like a transmission issue though. Does the problem occur right at shift point, right before/after shift point, etc.? Maybe that "goop" issue was caused by a blown motor mount, which could cause some jerkiness during shifting. Just brainstorming ...
Sorry to hear about your truck :( How long till you get it back in service?
My parents car did something like when their catalytic convertor failed and plugged the exhaust. Is it fine at full throttle?
There are always exceptions but the 6F55 Transmission has proven to be very robust and capable. There have been a few TSBs for sensors and software tweaking but there have been very few outright failures.
This issue may not even be the transmission but glad you have warranty. Good luck.
Quote from: SHOdded on March 18, 2016, 11:47:04 PM
In addition, have you noted any fuel smell (leaky injector), pulled any codes from the PCM (misfire)? A fried PCM could also be to blame. It surely does sound like a transmission issue though. Does the problem occur right at shift point, right before/after shift point, etc.? Maybe that "goop" issue was caused by a blown motor mount, which could cause some jerkiness during shifting. Just brainstorming ...
Sorry to hear about your truck :( How long till you get it back in service?
No fuel smell. No leaks. Only issue is the constantly running fan from the 93 tune lol. I thought about motor or trans mounts causing jerkiness too. But its too inconsistent for that and the jerks, lol occur on deceleration too.
At hard acceleration car shifts fine. It when accelerating from a cruise speed where things get shaky. My preference is for Ford to swap out entire unit. And NOT bill my insurance as it should be a warranty issue from their repair. Instead of Ford doing the cheap thing again and only replacing 1 gear at a time.
Whoever pays the most it will cost me is insurance deductible of $200 I think.
And none of you guys commented about that tranny pic? Should I worry about you guys? lol
Quote from: Dxlnt1 on March 19, 2016, 11:27:19 AM
And none of you guys commented about that tranny pic? Should I worry about you guys? lol
I did actually enjoy it...but if i said what i was actually thinking Z would've most likely edited my post so i refrained...i was hoping it wouldve ended a bit bloody
I liked it, too, but was waiting for AJ to say something......
Quote from: AJP turbo on March 19, 2016, 11:38:38 AM
...but if i said what i was actually thinking Z would've most likely edited my post so i refrained...
Thank you for your act of self-preservation. We will all gladly dole out whackings where they are due, can't let Z have all the fun.
Quote from: Dxlnt1 on March 18, 2016, 10:41:56 PM
Is there anyone that's halfway, almost, a little bit, maybe might have potentially kept up with my car?
At any rate, my transmission is going out! AGAIN! Needless to say I am NOT a happy camper. Not worried about money as I have extended warranty to cover. Ford rebuilt this transmission about 12k miles ago. (just over 1 1/2 year). If this is the craftsmanship, reliability and workmanship that Ford is putting out, then I might just be done. Car will be at dealer on Monday or Tuesday. Car may be for sale the following Monday or Tuesday.
Anyway, car shutters. Meaning at a slow acceleration car jumps, stumbles and bumps. 3rd gear is the worse but gears 3-6 are all doing it. 3rd and 6th gear just more pronounced. To test I reloaded tune. Same problem. Loaded stock tune, even worse. Has anyone else had this many problems with Ford transmissions?
So shudder is only gears 3-6 and usually under light acceleration.
When it does it try putting light pressure on the brake pedal and see if it goes away. If it does go away it could be the torque converter locking up and unlocking which means bad torque converter.
Quote from: 66 Galaxie on March 19, 2016, 03:48:57 PM
Quote from: Dxlnt1 on March 18, 2016, 10:41:56 PM
Is there anyone that's halfway, almost, a little bit, maybe might have potentially kept up with my car?
At any rate, my transmission is going out! AGAIN! Needless to say I am NOT a happy camper. Not worried about money as I have extended warranty to cover. Ford rebuilt this transmission about 12k miles ago. (just over 1 1/2 year). If this is the craftsmanship, reliability and workmanship that Ford is putting out, then I might just be done. Car will be at dealer on Monday or Tuesday. Car may be for sale the following Monday or Tuesday.
Anyway, car shutters. Meaning at a slow acceleration car jumps, stumbles and bumps. 3rd gear is the worse but gears 3-6 are all doing it. 3rd and 6th gear just more pronounced. To test I reloaded tune. Same problem. Loaded stock tune, even worse. Has anyone else had this many problems with Ford transmissions?
So shudder is only gears 3-6 and usually under light acceleration.
When it does it try putting light pressure on the brake pedal and see if it goes away. If it does go away it could be the torque converter locking up and unlocking which means bad torque converter.
Its more pronounced then. But my sensitivity feels it everywhere now. May be psychological But I will try testing the converter.
Which will become another complaint. Why would Ford not replace/rebuild converter while the trans is out for a rebuild? And, why would they only fix what is 1 gear? In olden times when the trans came out because ANY gear wasn't right, then ALL gears were replaced. And a rebuilt torque converter installed.
Another cause of many shudders that can get progressively worse is a failing coil or two. This does not create hard shifts just shudders...
Quote from: Dxlnt1 on March 19, 2016, 05:00:04 PM
Quote from: 66 Galaxie on March 19, 2016, 03:48:57 PM
Quote from: Dxlnt1 on March 18, 2016, 10:41:56 PM
Is there anyone that's halfway, almost, a little bit, maybe might have potentially kept up with my car?
At any rate, my transmission is going out! AGAIN! Needless to say I am NOT a happy camper. Not worried about money as I have extended warranty to cover. Ford rebuilt this transmission about 12k miles ago. (just over 1 1/2 year). If this is the craftsmanship, reliability and workmanship that Ford is putting out, then I might just be done. Car will be at dealer on Monday or Tuesday. Car may be for sale the following Monday or Tuesday.
Anyway, car shutters. Meaning at a slow acceleration car jumps, stumbles and bumps. 3rd gear is the worse but gears 3-6 are all doing it. 3rd and 6th gear just more pronounced. To test I reloaded tune. Same problem. Loaded stock tune, even worse. Has anyone else had this many problems with Ford transmissions?
So shudder is only gears 3-6 and usually under light acceleration.
When it does it try putting light pressure on the brake pedal and see if it goes away. If it does go away it could be the torque converter locking up and unlocking which means bad torque converter.
Its more pronounced then. But my sensitivity feels it everywhere now. May be psychological But I will try testing the converter.
Which will become another complaint. Why would Ford not replace/rebuild converter while the trans is out for a rebuild? And, why would they only fix what is 1 gear? In olden times when the trans came out because ANY gear wasn't right, then ALL gears were replaced. And a rebuilt torque converter installed.
Feel your pain buddy... The answer to your question is $$... Hope you get a new tranny and maybe a TC out of this!
Quote from: 66 Galaxie on March 19, 2016, 03:48:57 PM
Quote from: Dxlnt1 on March 18, 2016, 10:41:56 PM
Is there anyone that's halfway, almost, a little bit, maybe might have potentially kept up with my car?
At any rate, my transmission is going out! AGAIN! Needless to say I am NOT a happy camper. Not worried about money as I have extended warranty to cover. Ford rebuilt this transmission about 12k miles ago. (just over 1 1/2 year). If this is the craftsmanship, reliability and workmanship that Ford is putting out, then I might just be done. Car will be at dealer on Monday or Tuesday. Car may be for sale the following Monday or Tuesday.
Anyway, car shutters. Meaning at a slow acceleration car jumps, stumbles and bumps. 3rd gear is the worse but gears 3-6 are all doing it. 3rd and 6th gear just more pronounced. To test I reloaded tune. Same problem. Loaded stock tune, even worse. Has anyone else had this many problems with Ford transmissions?
So shudder is only gears 3-6 and usually under light acceleration.
When it does it try putting light pressure on the brake pedal and see if it goes away. If it does go away it could be the torque converter locking up and unlocking which means bad torque converter.
Test drove car today. Tried your thingamajig test for converter. Made no difference. What I did notice though was engine surging and hunting. I turn on cruise control and engine hunting. Maybe a 500 rpm swing, but no change is vehicle speed, downshift or anything else indicative of engine speed change. So Im a little stumped now.
Tranny speed sensor trouble?
Lemon
Might be a MAP sensor (or both) going bad. Try cleaning them first with MAF cleaner. Check torque converter PIDs to see if it is going in/out of lockup mode when you see the "surge".
Any change in fuel trims?
Any smoke out the rear when its happening?
Car now in dealers hand. Diagnosis is (of course this what computer says) Bad valve body ($2.), bad solenoid body ($420), bad torque converter ($740). So roughly $1000 for parts and $3000 labor. Waiting extended warranty approval for repairs. I will be hitting Ford hard on Monday or Tuesday.
Dealer says none of the "bad" parts were replaced when tranny repaired before, therefore Ford will NOT warranty.
As for engine surging, transmission tech believes its related to solenoid being bad. We will see.
They better cover the repair. Obviously this is an extension of the previous problem with the trans. Replacing things bit by bit. A new trans would likely have been better!
I don't get it, why does it matter if the parts were not replaced previously, if you have an extended warranty... Bunch of bs.
I'm hoping this is the same dealer that serviced your trans a couple of years ago!! cannot play the (blame game). Z
Quote from: SHOdded on March 26, 2016, 04:26:10 AM
They better cover the repair. Obviously this is an extension of the previous problem with the trans. Replacing things bit by bit. A new trans would likely have been better!
Quote from: CroR1 on March 26, 2016, 07:41:03 AM
I don't get it, why does it matter if the parts were not replaced previously, if you have an extended warranty... Bunch of bs.
The problem with that will be proving its an extension of prior repair. To help my case, I have 2 trips to dealer with complaints of transmission issues after the repair. So that documentation should help that there has ALWAYS been an issue and its just now manifested into this.
Quote from: ZSHO on March 26, 2016, 08:06:36 AM
I'm hoping this is the same dealer that serviced your trans a couple of years ago!! cannot play the (blame game). Z
And NO its NOT the same dealership. The one that did previous repairs was sold. And most all service records were lost or not transferred to Ford. The dealership I found is a performance friendly venue and even asked about if I installed a tune and other mods. The owner drives a '15 SHO.
DX is your extended warranty Ford ESP?
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 26, 2016, 02:09:43 PM
DX is your extended warranty Ford ESP?
No its not. Didn't buy car from Ford dealer so that wasn't an option.
Warranty company finally approved work. Its still an ongoing fight but that's another story. They are sending a "replacement" unit to be installed. So I have no clue if it is new, used or rebuilt. Will find out on Monday. Part is coming from LKQ parts. A national auto parts distributor. I cant tell from there website if they offer used parts, so Im thinking the trans is a completely rebuilt unit. We will see.
Time will tell what trans the SHO ends up getting, but I have only ever seen LKQ provide used parts (check EBay (http://stores.ebay.com/LKQonline__W0QQ_sacatZLKQ51onlineQQ_sidZ16275394?_nkw=2010&_nkw=taurus&_nkw=transmission&LH_TitleDesc=1)). Here's to hoping I am wrong!
Looks like it could be used or possibly rebuilt. Searching I found that they are a recycler that also seem to offer rebuilt transmissions.
May want to check the fine print of your extended warranty.
http://etereman.com/blog/transmission-care/remanufactured-vs-rebuilt-4-reasons-why-a-reman-trans-is-your-best-option (http://etereman.com/blog/transmission-care/remanufactured-vs-rebuilt-4-reasons-why-a-reman-trans-is-your-best-option)
Just an FYI, you can go to Ford directly for an extended warranty in the future no matter where you buy it. You can buy it online for like 40% off MSRP, you just need to bring it to a dealer to get inspected.
Quote from: Dxlnt1 on March 26, 2016, 02:56:29 PM
Quote from: FoMoCoSHO on March 26, 2016, 02:09:43 PM
DX is your extended warranty Ford ESP?
No its not. Didn't buy car from Ford dealer so that wasn't an option.
Great article, I never really thought through it like that. A friend of mine had his trans rebuilt in his Buick Enclave which is basically the same and it's been a nightmare. They put in updated wave plates but there were still issues. They finally flashed the controller to get it to shift right but now his MPG is way down. He would have been better with a rebuilt that had all the updates
Hearing his issues with the trans is what made me purchase the extended warranty. It does seem that Ford has had way less issues with their version of this trans though.
Quote from: SHOdded on April 11, 2016, 10:01:04 AM
http://etereman.com/blog/transmission-care/remanufactured-vs-rebuilt-4-reasons-why-a-reman-trans-is-your-best-option (http://etereman.com/blog/transmission-care/remanufactured-vs-rebuilt-4-reasons-why-a-reman-trans-is-your-best-option)
Quote from: Dxlnt1 on April 11, 2016, 12:24:19 AM
Warranty company finally approved work. Its still an ongoing fight but that's another story. They are sending a "replacement" unit to be installed. So I have no clue if it is new, used or rebuilt. Will find out on Monday. Part is coming from LKQ parts. A national auto parts distributor. I cant tell from there website if they offer used parts, so Im thinking the trans is a completely rebuilt unit. We will see.
Hope it works out to your liking. Fingers crossed!
Quote from: Blackhawk on April 11, 2016, 10:19:48 AM
Hearing his issues with the trans is what made me purchase the extended warranty. It does seem that Ford has had way less issues with their version of this trans though.
Amen to that! Personally, I know I could squirrel away money for service repairs, but prefer to bite the bullet get an extended warranty instead. Has always paid off for me, since I buy used only. The last new vehicle I got was back in 1997 ...
Hope all goes well on the fix.
On a brighter note, I finally got something back that was made for you after your kind gesture before.
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Quote from: SHOnUup on April 12, 2016, 05:00:49 PM
Hope all goes well on the fix.
On a brighter note, I finally got something back that was made for you after your kind gesture before.
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Thank you for that. Those are hot! Best news I've gotten about this car since this crap began almost a month ago.
Todays update:
Warranty company planning to use as replacement a 'USED" transmission. Yep you heard me right. I am losing my mind right now. They claim they gave dealer the option to accept or reject the parts they would send. Or I could take cash value and.....
Their cash value for used trans the found, $800. A rebuilt factory trans roughly $2800. They also have approved $1000 for labor. But I had to authorize $3000 to remove transmission for inspection. In which they never inspected! Needless to say I am NOT a happy camper. Still fighting though. Finance company involved, Ford involved somethings gotta give!
Hang in there, man, justice will prevail! Can't imagine how hard this must be 4 u.
Car been at dealer since 3/25. Since then, 3 wrong AND used transmissions have been sent by warranty company. They are and will be trying to deny rental car coverage on top of everything else.
At this point, I don't even want the car anymore. So after repairs, I will be listing car for sale! IM DONE!
What a clusterf***! Hope you are keeping all documentation to get back the money you paid for the warranty. And then some. Sic a lawyer on their beehinds :curse:
Dave... Sorry to hear that saga. I feel your frustration. Regardless of what you do with the car, be sure you direct it at the actual cause, the warranty company... They owe you. There are real damages here.
It's why I went with Ford for the extended warranty.... BTW, who is the company. Folks should know so they can avoid that one
I typically don't like lawsuits for every little thing....But 3 wrong transmissions and no rental car? Someone is incompetent and deserves to be sued....I'd sue for all that's legit and pain and suffering and punitive damages to make it worth the time and trouble and lost work time
You guys are right about the directing my frustrations where they should be. But it has been an exhausting effort. I buy warranty to avoid these issues and this is what I get. I feel violated with this car. And a used transmission installed, after the transmission has already had issues last year doesn't give me the warm and fuzzy about this car. Had it not got out in years past I may say ok and just suck it up. But transmissions in 2 years? Likely to fail again next year. So not willing to pay for a $6000 repair on my own.
Oh and latest is replacement part won't arrive at dealership until 5/4/16!
New part this time or ...? Too bad you can't lemon law the car or the warranty.
One last thought I had.... Could faulty installation causing something to be off center in the rotating parts of the driveline or tranny have caused the failure? I have to wonder myself with 2 tranny failures in as many years.
I don't think the installation was bad. I think the mind set of only repair what is bad is why I am having issues now. If Ford had rebuilt whole transmission when it failed before, there would be no worn torque converter or valve body to go bad. It would have been serviced or replaced then. And now it turns out my warranty company is the true problem here. And I have no recourse at this time.
So they are giving you $800 for the tranny plus labor?
If I've read this right, I would consider ponying up the extra 2 grand to get a reman with a nice warranty with it. Remans typically have a better warranty than a new part anyway and sometimes design defects are corrected during the process.
In the long run, it's far cheaper than a new car and you will have some peace of mind going forward.
I know this is a bitter pill since you already paid for the "warranty" but in the long run it may end up saving you money/stress/hassle down the road.
2 months and 3 days, I finally have my car back from dealer. What a nightmare.
As of now car appears to drive fine as I have only driven it to work since it was last minute pickup. PTU fluid was replaced and unit inspected as a leak developed while car was being serviced.
I feel violated with this ordeal. I am sadistically hoping the trans breaks again. Will be another nail in the coffin of my ownership of this car. So in all fairness will drive it for a bit and see.
Got my fingers crossed for you... You're due some REALLY good luck after your ordeal with this tranny!
Not sure what to root for here, but as a SHO guy, I would hope the repair holds. But I see your point.
To resurrect an old thread, my (used) new trans has leaked pretty much since it was installed. Dealer never able to pinpoint exact location of leak.
Since my warranty coming to an end I take car back to dealer to check again. Found leaks trans halfs come together AND on control module. Roughly $2000 to split case and reseal. Nope, not my warranty. They sending another used tranny. While I was hopeful trans would last mostly because I talked myself out of buying the CTS for financial reasons, I really think it's time for this car to go. No love or luck with trans. Car runs GREAT but the trans.......
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Wouldnt it be better to buy a Ford remanned trans rather than a whole new car? Or take it to a trans shop for a professional rebuild? Just thinking out loud ...
Yes it would. But not feeling to good about buying a warranty for this type of issue and still have to spend the money for the repair myself!
I thought about that too. But IF I did, I would I would use an aftermarket build.
http://www.smartpartsauto.com/automatic_transmission_6f50.html (http://www.smartpartsauto.com/automatic_transmission_6f50.html)
If that has leaked since day one of the new install and ford couldn't figure out where it was coming from I would've been looking for a new dealer LOL.
it's pretty damn obvious it's leaking from the casing WHERE THE GASKET IS SQUEEZED OUT.
You're supposed to wait a specific amount of time to let the gasket material setup before you bring the halves together