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So I went to my brothers shop yesterday and threw down 309 whp on his dyno dynamics dyno. Of course these tend to read lower than the dyno jet numbers by 12-18%...so I'm pretty happy with the results. They were just running hp numbers that day so no torque numbers. We should be installing the update on the dyno and getting some real numbers shortly. Then time to build some dp's and start building it up.
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This is with a tune? Don't these tuners claim some huge torque numbers?
This is what I would expect out of stock numbers. I think my dyno on a mustang was about 360 with 400 torque. I got my money back because it was so far short of what was advertised.
If you want to blame that on the dyno, go ahead, but yikes.
Quote from: Jtrain on February 14, 2016, 02:37:14 PM
This is with a tune? Don't these tuners claim some huge torque numbers?
This is what I would expect out of stock numbers. I think my dyno on a mustang was about 360 with 400 torque. I got my money back because it was so far short of what was advertised.
If you want to blame that on the dyno, go ahead, but yikes.
This is wheel horsepower not crank...these things are 365 hp at the crank stock. On a jet I would have made that to the wheel or at least close to it. There is no torque reading on this run...I'm pretty sure these only make like 280 to the wheel stock. Check the video below too. This is a livernois 93 tune as well. I have went 13.5 in the 1/4 and stock it went 14.4
And we have proven the horsepower differences on many vehicles from a local dyno jet to our dyno dynamics.
https://youtu.be/MMjSPV_FOOU
Here's a baseline:
https://youtu.be/_bS7Aq2ltMg
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You right,
I had to pull up my old dispute with Lund (they pulled down the dyno sheet the used to advertise, what a farse) I see I pulled 280 or so, and hated it. (Since they claimed 320 with 380 torque, and I got 280 with 300 torque)
I'm not brave enough to go back on a dyno with this thing again. I'd be happy with 300 on a bad dyno. good on ya.
Ya I'm going to test the limits of this eventually. I seen the tranny and ecu have problems past 550whp.
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Quote from: HPandFAB on February 15, 2016, 05:56:24 PM
Ya I'm going to test the limits of this eventually. I seen the tranny and ecu have problems past 550whp.
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What problems does the ecu have?
There was a post by mtxpert (youtube channel) where he said the ecu did not like the power the vehicle was making on the street. This was after he made 600whp. I'll only know for myself once I see it. We are building a 2014 flex here shortly. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/02/15/ea3b0a6693d9ad9a0e33c53c06d9c214.jpg)
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Ok...doubtful it had anything to do with the power....there are probably no less than 1000 reasons the ecu will close the throttle in these cars unless properly tuned
There is not a lot of people building the Explorer and flex platforms that high so just going off what has been done. Like I said we will see when we get there. There is a lot of work to do before we get there so I'm sure we'll find the answer.
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The answer is good tuning lol
I'm sure we'll be fine...been doing it for a while and have several cars over that Power level. Just curious what does your car make for power?
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Quote from: HPandFAB on February 15, 2016, 07:32:58 PM
I'm sure we'll be fine...been doing it for a while and have several cars over that Power level. Just curious what does your car make for power?
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Have you been tuning the transverse 3.5 ecoboost?
About 394hp/464tq on a dynojet
Nope, just starting on them we mostly have been in imports with the exception of some turbo domestics. We had a dyno day and a few ecoboost 3.5's came to play and want more than the 350 they put down on our dyno dynamics. Plus I want to make mine more powerful. My brother is a pretty knowledgeable tuner.
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Be warned the tuning will torment you if you are a perfectionist which im sure you will say you are...but good fof you if you are doing it for customers they wont know the difference...a few may
I was on the dyno in the fall...ive made some substantial improvements and discoveries lately so i plan on going back to see what they yield ...im hoping for 410-420hp and 480-500 tq with no meth..and maybe low 12's in the 1/4 but i may be dreaming i dunno
Quote from: ajpturbo on February 15, 2016, 07:49:49 PM
Be warned the tuning will torment you if you are a perfectionist which im sure you will say you are...but good fof you if you are doing it for customers they wont know the difference...a few may
I was on the dyno in the fall...ive made some substantial improvements and discoveries lately so i plan on going back to see what they yield ...im hoping for 410-420hp and 480-500 tq with no meth..and maybe low 12's in the 1/4 but i may be dreaming i dunno
I'd say we are...we have one of four dsm's in the world in the 7's. The new ford's are a pita which more recently we found out on the 2013 ford Mustang gt we built....(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/02/15/73843ba403529500751e56fdf32d91bb.jpg)
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I'm looking forward to seeing what we can do on this platform.
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Quote from: HPandFAB on February 15, 2016, 07:44:13 PM
Nope, just starting on them we mostly have been in imports with the exception of some turbo domestics. My brother is a pretty knowledgeable tuner.
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He may very well be....but unless he has worked on these ecoboost he may get pissed off at times lol...ive tuned before but these were very different.
Its torque based tuning...never really seen anything like it
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Quote from: HPandFAB on February 15, 2016, 07:44:13 PM
Nope, just starting on them we mostly have been in imports with the exception of some turbo domestics. My brother is a pretty knowledgeable tuner.
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He may very well be....but unless he has worked on these ecoboost he may get pissed off at times lol...ive tuned before but these were very different.
Its torque based tuning...never really seen anything like it
Yes this happened with the Mustang and still haunts him haha
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Quote from: HPandFAB on February 15, 2016, 07:59:38 PM
Quote from: ajpturbo on February 15, 2016, 07:49:49 PM
Be warned the tuning will torment you if you are a perfectionist which im sure you will say you are...but good fof you if you are doing it for customers they wont know the difference...a few may
I was on the dyno in the fall...ive made some substantial improvements and discoveries lately so i plan on going back to see what they yield ...im hoping for 410-420hp and 480-500 tq with no meth..and maybe low 12's in the 1/4 but i may be dreaming i dunno
I'd say we are...we have one of four dsm's in the world in the 7's. The new ford's are a pita which more recently we found out on the 2013 ford Mustang gt we built....(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/02/15/73843ba403529500751e56fdf32d91bb.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/02/15/3b4ce3124dc400858118122b734f1f5b.jpg)
I'm looking forward to seeing what we can do on this platform.
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Only single turbo on that rustang?...boring....bad designed turbo kit....so you have the primary 02's preturbo which is a no no or you have them after the turbo and so far away and downstream which complicates the 02 transport delay.....shouldve went hellion twin turbo like i did lol
Funny you picked that up cause that was the problem...lol and just buying a kit is boring lol.
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Quote from: HPandFAB on February 15, 2016, 08:07:57 PM
Funny you picked that up cause that was the problem...lol
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Sorry just busting your balls...im a jerk half the time....let this be a lesson to the ecoboosters out there that doubt me that i do know what im talking about lol
I never said that...either way I can tell you have some knowledge ;) we stay pretty busy with the imports especially the dsms and evo's but these will prove to be a good challenge as well as the st we have coming into the shop.
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I just can't stand the fact that I can't get even boost. This thing is all over the place.
Not keeping this thing for long because of this.
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5633.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5633.0.html)
Quote from: Jtrain on February 15, 2016, 09:27:38 PM
I just can't stand the fact that I can't get even boost. This thing is all over the place.
Not keeping this thing for long because of this.
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5633.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5633.0.html)
Ive looked at your logs before...u just need a better tune and you could be satisfied
Id hate to sell a car because of a bad tune
Quote from: Jtrain on February 15, 2016, 09:27:38 PM
I just can't stand the fact that I can't get even boost. This thing is all over the place.
Not keeping this thing for long because of this.
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5633.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5633.0.html)
Who's tune?
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Quote from: AJP turbo on February 15, 2016, 09:33:52 PM
Quote from: Jtrain on February 15, 2016, 09:27:38 PM
I just can't stand the fact that I can't get even boost. This thing is all over the place.
Not keeping this thing for long because of this.
http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5633.0.html (http://www.ecoboostperformanceforum.com/index.php/topic,5633.0.html)
Ive looked at your logs before...u just need a better tune and you could be satisfied
Id hate to sell a car because of a bad tune
I'm certainly open to a suggestion. I'm not buying a new tuner so they'll have to be able to use this SCT. Lund was trash, and I guess the company I'm using now isn't so great either.
I'm afraid to shell out another 100-200 bucks to get another half-bad tune.
Lund is garbage.....I had a crappy dyno tune on a s'charged mustang even though he is a self proclaimed god....I think a lot of tuners rely on people being clueless, it's ashame and they never offer refunds
If I was a dealer I'd consider giving you a tune...contemplating it lol
I can vouch for Matt at gearhead automotive performance and I'm a tough critic...Give him a call or email him
Thanks,
I might just do that.
I called my bank and opened a case against Lund. Won it pretty easily. They had a dyno graph posted, i sent in my dyno graph-- they weren't even close.
EDIT: His website looks like he's all turbo D trucks.
Quote from: Jtrain on April 13, 2016, 10:52:46 AM
Thanks,
I might just do that.
I called my bank and opened a case against Lund. Won it pretty easily. They had a dyno graph posted, i sent in my dyno graph-- they weren't even close.
EDIT: His website looks like he's all turbo D trucks.
He does specialize in diesel trucks
But he owns a sho and is smarter than me...him and I have been working on a tune for months now and have gone back and forth with data and ideas...we share a similar tuning philosophy that ive found difficult to find in people as far as doing things the "right" way as opposed to bandaids and forced results
We have tweaked our own cars to our own tatses at this point but he has a solid understanding of this platform that quite honestly i think few people do...ive seen his work in action and it doesnt disappoint....his tune is better than what ive seen on the message boards so far