Hello everyone, I'm new to the forums and glad I found it. I own a 2014 Explorer Sport. Currently at 8000km. We've been having some power/boost issues lately then realized our CAC hoses were not tight. I only could find about 4-5 of them and couldn't locate the rest.
The power is a little better but still laggy. The worst thing is there is a huge boost/lag about 2.5 seconds or so when I press down on the throttle while rolling or on the highway. It makes it difficult to pass cars and merge. Now, I realize this is a turbo etc. But there wasn't that much of a lag before (even though there was a little bit). There is definitely less power than before even though weather is colder and I put 93 the other day. I had better power at 89.
My question is, is there an update or a reset or calibration for this throttle issue? Also, what else can I check to make sure it's outputting the power it's supposed to? Thanks in advance!
Welcome aboard the E.B.P.F and welcome,the best advice i can give you is to call your service advisor and mention [PWS] service bulletin 360009 check to see if you have any codes,DTC'S and if you see po0106,po0236 some XSPORT may experience hesitation.loss of rpm,difficult in starting,lack of power,and running rough,if those sound familiar call your service advisor hope this helps and welcome aboard and post some pics and good luck.
Hey ZSHO! Thanks for the advice! I'm in Canada would these service bulletin codes still apply? My first new car that I bought so I'm not sure how this all works. I never took it in for service yet only for an oil change at quicklane (big mistake).. Do I just call the dealership, schedule an appointment and ask for any bulletins or codes? Thanks!
XSPORT call up the dealer and mention your symptoms and ask them if they are any recalls and TSB'S pertaining to your vehicle accordingly by vin number.
Also take a peek inside the intake and the CAC/IC and see if there's any oil accumulation there. Don't want excessive PCV blowby.
Quote from: xsport on October 06, 2014, 12:48:49 PM
Hello everyone, I'm new to the forums and glad I found it. I own a 2014 Explorer Sport. Currently at 8000km. We've been having some power/boost issues lately then realized our CAC hoses were not tight. I only could find about 4-5 of them and couldn't locate the rest.
The power is a little better but still laggy. The worst thing is there is a huge boost/lag about 2.5 seconds or so when I press down on the throttle while rolling or on the highway. It makes it difficult to pass cars and merge. Now, I realize this is a turbo etc. But there wasn't that much of a lag before (even though there was a little bit). There is definitely less power than before even though weather is colder and I put 93 the other day. I had better power at 89.
My question is, is there an update or a reset or calibration for this throttle issue? Also, what else can I check to make sure it's outputting the power it's supposed to? Thanks in advance!
I think in general most of us Sport owners biggest gripe is that asinine amount of turbo lag on the stock tune. Even being tuned its still there, but not nearly as bad as it was. I have definitely noticed it doesn't lag nearly as bad when you gradually give it gas instead of stomping it to the floor.
I hope you get it sorted out if it is indeed an issue
Do you guys have a "sand" mode available to you? I faintly recall mention of that by a fellow forum member, and that it improves the vehicle's performance.
There is a sand mode, owners manual says don't use it over like 25mph or something like that though. It's good for launching but I wouldn't use it outside of that, unless of course you're in sand. Better yet just disable traction control and see how that helps.
Sounds like in general he's just having bad turbo lag. If you're not building boost and u lay it to the floor you will have a delay there is just no way around that other than either build up some boost or gradually give it gas
After an oil change, I did notice the tubes were loose so maybe they knocked it. Power is much better but still not as good as when I bought it. I gradually step on the gas and it's very slow then suddenly shoots like a rocket. By the time it's already been 2 seconds and cars have passed me. It wasn't like this before so I'm pretty sure it's not a turbo lag. Ford regional has contacted me and I have an appointment next week at the dealers. Fingers crossed. I want to mod this thing but not before the issues are fixed.
Sounds like a boost leak
Try this.
Hold the start button without the brake until the engine light comes on. Do not start engine. Release brake and press gas pedal to floor smoothly and release. Press start button to end run mode. Start vehicle and test throttle response
XSPORT there are turbo clamps which due to heat come loose,so essentially every clamp you see take a 6mm socket and tighten them firmly but not to tight,so basically throughout the engine bay and by the firewall you will see those clamps and sometimes come loose fron the factory assemblyline and there is a couple under the car by drivers side radiator those are the intercooler clamps.
I'm still sticking by my original post of it being turbo lag. I had tightened all of my hoses as well, but none were loose enough to cause any leaks and after tightening them it made no difference. The only thing that made a difference was a tune. Depending on where you live you need to see what blend of winter gas you have also, your 93 octane may actually be around 90-91. These vehicles have adaptive learning the way they shift and drive, changing your fuel type and the way you drive is going to cause it to relearn to adapt to your new driving style. I don't want to say I hope i'm wrong because I don't want there to be any issues with your vehicle, but to me it sounds just like plain old turbo lag on the 5,000lb explorer
The SHO had horrible turbo lag when stock also. Pedal to floor at a roll almost slowed you down before pinning you back.
Were the pipes directly connected to the turbos checked by chance?
Rich
Yes, sorry I forgot to mention. I did find a few clamps loose after checking the pipes after the oil change. I tightened them (really tight..bad? ) and stepped on it a few times and the power came back but still had the lag around 1-2 rpm but didn't bother me as much if you guys are saying its normal. I only located about 5 pipes though. I heard there were 11.
It seemed OK. Until today..terrible terrible power! It won't pick up speed. I feel the throttle is a bit loose under my feet and I can hear a "SHHHHHHHHH" sound as if there is air leaking. Is this how a boost leak sounds like? It feels heavy again. How often do these turbo hoses blow?
deff sounds like a boost leak. it really shouldnt make any noise unless you have a bov vta
yea now that you mention hearing an air leak, I mean yea I would assume its a boost leak. Your initial post sounds just like turbo lag though. As Jake just mentioned, you should not hear any air if you arent venting to atmosphere. Curious to why you havent had the dealer check it out yet? You don't need an appointment to have your vehicle checked out, especially if youre having serious issues with it. I personally would not drive a vehicle with issues and not even know what was causing it, next thing you know you will be out a vehicle. Go get it checked out asap
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This caused the pssshhh sound and throttle lag on my SHO.
Rich
Airbornemaikai: Im in Canada. I have a appt at the dealer next thursday :( Im waiting on a call from ford regional customer service manager. Not sure what they can do for me.
Quote from: SHOnUup on October 11, 2014, 09:14:39 AM
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This caused the pssshhh sound and throttle lag on my SHO.
Rich
Thanks for posting that rick. Could you tell me what that is? Broken?
Can't recall the name of it. It is tubing that can be replaced with the hard pipe setup. This was going to front turbo (ripped section actually connected directly to it)from the air intake saxophone setup.
Rich
Edit: was told it's covered under 60k drive train. Minimum 7 days here to get fixed so I bit the bullet and did it myself ($200 part and 30 minute job)
The way its sounds to me its probably the piping from the rear turbo connection by the firewall came loose,it is very common for them to get loose and even come off at wot,Rich is also correct but if you have warranty why not use it.
Oh I didn't know dealerships worked differently in Canada about inspections. That sucks! I would be furious if my vehicle was having issues and it was still under warranty and they said to wait a week to come in. I had actually changed my thermostat and bought some coolant from an auto parts store. I just felt like the coolant wasn't the right temperature rating. Drive to a dealership, told them for some reason my coolant was low and wondered if they wouldn't mind testing it real quick. A tech came out to my car (didn't wait in the line) tested it, then even took my car in and checked for leaks and said I was good to go. Maybe worth a shot just to see if someone could just look around for a min? If anything maybe they could give you a little piece of mind?
From the sounds of it, hearing air, and from these others experience with with hoses literally ripping or coming off, it does sound like a boost leak, this is something one of those experienced Techs should be able to figure out very quickly. Even if they can't fix it right then and there at least you could know oh ok there isn't a baby alien in there waiting for you to put your hand in the wrong spot. I don't know how u do it, but u sure must have a lot of patience to have no power and be like its ok see you in a week. I'd say my car has no power it won't drive, it's under warranty, I need a rental, like days ago. Then if they say it's ok to drive, then you can at least know if anything catastrophic were to happen that they gave you the ok to drive it and if your engine blows up, they'll have to go to bat for you instead of trying to dick around with the fine print of the warranty. Hope you get this sorted, sad to know there is an ecoboost on the road not ecoboosting :)
Quote from: boostedbull on October 09, 2014, 01:03:31 PM
Try this.
Hold the start button without the brake until the engine light comes on. Do not start engine. Release brake and press gas pedal to floor smoothly and release. Press start button to end run mode. Start vehicle and test throttle response
Hey thanks a lot for this. What brake do i release though?
Oops take that part out
I'll weigh in a bit here. I've owned dozens of turbo cars and 2 seconds IS bad lag usually caused by an oversized/poorly sized(unless it's a dyno queen set up chasing huge numbers) turbo and the ecoboost set up in the Ex Sports is not that. Even stock mine was nowhere near that. There is however that annoying pause when matting it from a dead stop but my LMS tune fixed that issue. These turbo are so well sized(a bit undersized maybe ?) that with my downpipe/full exhaust I can hear mine spool when I first fire the car up and its in open loop. If I'm outside and wait till the ECU goes closed loop and idles down, I can hear the turbos spool down too. Kinda neat but my exhaust is a bit louder than I'd prefer, I still haven't gotten around to having the dead end J pipes fabbed up yet. So I have to believe that you do have a leak/split somewhere in the system. Good news is that when they find it, your gonna be surprised how spry it is after 8) Also I'm at 26K miles now and I've been in sand mode probably 24K of those miles, it's the first thing I adjust when I start the motor before climate control or entertainment ;)
The only thing pointing to a leak is the fact that he now mentions he hears air. On a stock setup without bov u will not hear any air, and very hard pressed to even hear the turbos spool.
I also ran stock for quite a few K before tuning and from his original post this is exactly as I would have described the turbo lag in my x
Quote from: QuickSilver on October 12, 2014, 06:30:01 PM
Also I'm at 26K miles now and I've been in sand mode probably 24K of those miles, it's the first thing I adjust when I start the motor before climate control or entertainment ;)
Are you serious?
Sand mode is great throttle response but it always keeps the car in at least one gear lower than normal. I feel like it's REALLY tough on the car to be in sand mode?
Calling these cars "Sports" is a stretch, for sure. At least coming from a jeep srt8. I just got married and bought a house- I feel like a moron running a turbo car with such a restrictive exhaust. I'm positive this thing will come alive with a turbo-back.
Interesting thread. hope everyone is fixed up by now
Quote from: SHOnUup on October 11, 2014, 09:14:39 AM
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This caused the pssshhh sound and throttle lag on my SHO.
Rich
I've been having an issue and this is exactly what I found, my pipe was ripped right where it attaches to the front turbo inlet. Do you have the part number on hand by any chance?
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This caused the pssshhh sound and throttle lag on my SHO.
Rich
I've been having an issue and this is exactly what I found, my pipe was ripped right where it attaches to the front turbo inlet. Do you have the part number on hand by any chance?
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